Ron Paul Thread. "Farewell Address" Pt.1 Vid and text.

Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by rashi


Answer the question.

It's a place where Libertarianism doesn't have a leg to stand on. Privatization of everything is simply ridiculous. Things are not run more efficiently when they are private, they are cut because suddenly they are being run for profit. This generally leads to middle to lower income families and people being hurt by privatization while wealth concentrates at the top.
So no, it isn't a Democratic Socialist utopia. It is, however, a place where basic needs of the people are fulfilled by the government.

Proof?

And don't give me examples where producers are subsidized. Don't give me examples where the multinational companies conspire with government in order to decide what good are allowed to cross borders. Don't give me an examples where multinational corporations are given "investment guarantees" under the guise of "aid" to foreign interests. Don't give me examples of where governments manipulate trade on behalf of politically connected interest groups.

Now, with that being said, give me an actual example in where the Free Market was outperformed by the government.
stabilization is chaos!
 
Originally Posted by rashi

Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by rashi


Answer the question.

It's a place where Libertarianism doesn't have a leg to stand on. Privatization of everything is simply ridiculous. Things are not run more efficiently when they are private, they are cut because suddenly they are being run for profit. This generally leads to middle to lower income families and people being hurt by privatization while wealth concentrates at the top.
So no, it isn't a Democratic Socialist utopia. It is, however, a place where basic needs of the people are fulfilled by the government.

Proof?

And don't give me examples where producers are subsidized. Don't give me examples where the multinational companies conspire with government in order to decide what good are allowed to cross borders. Don't give me an examples where multinational corporations are given "investment guarantees" under the guise of "aid" to foreign interests. Don't give me examples of where governments manipulate trade on behalf of politically connected interest groups.

Now, with that being said, give me an actual example in where the Free Market was outperformed by the government.
stabilization is chaos!
 
I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country.

How did I miss this gem.
Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail."



This financial crisis wasn't because of "deregulation", the government used regulation in order to force banks to lend out money to people with the promise of being repaid. Otherwise, why the hell would a company make the risks that they did? This is called a Ponzi Scheme, a lot of politicians got broke off.

And yours truly predicted the crash 5 years before it happened.


 stabilization is chaos!



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I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country.

How did I miss this gem.
Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail."



This financial crisis wasn't because of "deregulation", the government used regulation in order to force banks to lend out money to people with the promise of being repaid. Otherwise, why the hell would a company make the risks that they did? This is called a Ponzi Scheme, a lot of politicians got broke off.

And yours truly predicted the crash 5 years before it happened.


 stabilization is chaos!



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Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?
 
Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?
 
Originally Posted by andycrazn

Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?

What about the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the conflicts of interested/gigantic financial institutions that were created?
I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 



Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 
 
Originally Posted by andycrazn

Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?

What about the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the conflicts of interested/gigantic financial institutions that were created?
I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 



Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 
 
Originally Posted by CallHimAR

t do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 
Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 

You didn't give me an example of the Free Market being outperformed, you gave me something I told you not to. I told you not to give me an example where producers were not subsidized and where the government does not manipulate the exchange of goods. Then you post a chart of an industry where the market is heavily subsidized, and where the market of exchange is controlled by the government. So, I will ask you again. Give me an example where the Free Market was outperformed by the government.
 
Originally Posted by CallHimAR

t do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 
Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 

You didn't give me an example of the Free Market being outperformed, you gave me something I told you not to. I told you not to give me an example where producers were not subsidized and where the government does not manipulate the exchange of goods. Then you post a chart of an industry where the market is heavily subsidized, and where the market of exchange is controlled by the government. So, I will ask you again. Give me an example where the Free Market was outperformed by the government.
 
Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by andycrazn

Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?

What about the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the conflicts of interested/gigantic financial institutions that were created?
I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 
Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 



not to mention the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. which deregulated speculation in the futures market.rash, I,m a libertarian as well but you also have to be pragmatic.
 
Originally Posted by CallHimAR

Originally Posted by andycrazn

Originally Posted by CallHimAR



Also, the recent financial crisis was caused by deregulation of banks, allowing them to become "too big to fail." 
how about ending the fed and fractional reserve banking?

What about the repeal of Glass-Steagall and the conflicts of interested/gigantic financial institutions that were created?
I tell you to give me an example where producers ARE NOT SUBSIDIZED and where governments DO NOT manipulate trade, and what do you do, you go to the MOST SUBSIDIZED and MOST CORRUPTED industry in the country. 
Simply put, you could have said that for anything. And knowing you, you would have. That was a single example of the free market being outperformed by government institutions in other countries. 



not to mention the Commodity Futures Modernization Act. which deregulated speculation in the futures market.rash, I,m a libertarian as well but you also have to be pragmatic.
 
What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?
 
What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?
 
Originally Posted by rashi

What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?

Other than it being completely unrealistic, relying on the goodness of those with capital only and leading to monopolies? Absolutely nothing.
I'm not getting into it with you on your other question. Free market capitalism got us into the mess we're in now, and it is only widening the gap between the classes and essentially wiping out the middle class. But please, believe otherwise and continue to live in your economic bubble. 
 
Originally Posted by rashi

What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?

Other than it being completely unrealistic, relying on the goodness of those with capital only and leading to monopolies? Absolutely nothing.
I'm not getting into it with you on your other question. Free market capitalism got us into the mess we're in now, and it is only widening the gap between the classes and essentially wiping out the middle class. But please, believe otherwise and continue to live in your economic bubble. 
 
Originally Posted by rashi

What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?


I believe in perky C cups, a flat stomach, and a tight shapely a ss.you catch my drift?
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At times you have to compromise because the ideal is not realistic so long as humanity is what it is.
 
Originally Posted by rashi

What would be pragmatic? Being complacent to Statists?


I believe in voluntary associations and exchange, what's wrong with that?


I believe in perky C cups, a flat stomach, and a tight shapely a ss.you catch my drift?
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At times you have to compromise because the ideal is not realistic so long as humanity is what it is.
 
That's why it's hard to debate with the dude. There's a reason Hayek didn't make much headway in his career and Keynes did. Yea, I know he won a Nobel but I'm talking about policy. The former's ideas are incompatible with human nature while the latter panders to it. A positive medium can exist.


Deregulation was a big reason for the crisis. Ever read Bill Black? Government had a big hand in it too, of course.
 
That's why it's hard to debate with the dude. There's a reason Hayek didn't make much headway in his career and Keynes did. Yea, I know he won a Nobel but I'm talking about policy. The former's ideas are incompatible with human nature while the latter panders to it. A positive medium can exist.


Deregulation was a big reason for the crisis. Ever read Bill Black? Government had a big hand in it too, of course.
 
*wakes up and wipes eyes* is this 1988? or 2008? because I'm not sure which...  How about we just either declare he will never get elected (because MOST people find him to be a joke), or we state the obvious that this idealist will be a failure of epic proportions...

There literally is a better chance for Trump to get elected..
 
*wakes up and wipes eyes* is this 1988? or 2008? because I'm not sure which...  How about we just either declare he will never get elected (because MOST people find him to be a joke), or we state the obvious that this idealist will be a failure of epic proportions...

There literally is a better chance for Trump to get elected..
 
Which of his books should I cop? Heading to the bookstore tomorrow and I need a good read. The article and the video mention to different books.
 
Which of his books should I cop? Heading to the bookstore tomorrow and I need a good read. The article and the video mention to different books.
 
Originally Posted by ohdannyboy

Which of his books should I cop? Heading to the bookstore tomorrow and I need a good read. The article and the video mention to different books.


You want a book..buy this.


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