Resource Based Economy? Scientific Effort vs. Free Market System

[stockholm patriot]

Was having a discussion with my boy who thinks this can work, though I would embrace the day but realistically it will never come in this life time.
A Scientific Effort for mankind, workers, thinkers, and explorers at one point in history we were scared to venture across water, then skies, then space.
Would this be a bad thing or good? I notion it wouldn't work because of religious differences, but what if science could prove the unanswered about "heaven"
or "hell? Would it work then?

 

[stockholm patriot]

Was having a discussion with my boy who thinks this can work, though I would embrace the day but realistically it will never come in this life time.
A Scientific Effort for mankind, workers, thinkers, and explorers at one point in history we were scared to venture across water, then skies, then space.
Would this be a bad thing or good? I notion it wouldn't work because of religious differences, but what if science could prove the unanswered about "heaven"
or "hell? Would it work then?

 

[2lipslegit]

You talkin about economies or travelling through heaven and hell??

 

[2lipslegit]

You talkin about economies or travelling through heaven and hell??

 

[stockholm patriot]

I'm talking about all three, in the animal kingdom most species work together to ensure survival of the species.... bees, ants, migratory birds etc.
For humans I meant space travel, deep sea exploration,  NO FREE MARKET systems...no luxuries to drive the economy....survival and advanced
science is the luxury that drives the economy. currency would be abolished

 

[stockholm patriot]

I'm talking about all three, in the animal kingdom most species work together to ensure survival of the species.... bees, ants, migratory birds etc.
For humans I meant space travel, deep sea exploration,  NO FREE MARKET systems...no luxuries to drive the economy....survival and advanced
science is the luxury that drives the economy. currency would be abolished

 

[he told on me]

Fancy way of saying one world government?

 

[he told on me]

Fancy way of saying one world government?

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by he told on me

Fancy way of saying one world government?

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.
One World Government is oppression or communism, this choice would have to be free will.

 

 

[stockholm patriot]

Originally Posted by he told on me

Fancy way of saying one world government?

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.
One World Government is oppression or communism, this choice would have to be free will.

 

 

[dey know yayo]

as long as people aren't 100% satisfied (= desire anything, = not in nirvana) then they will exchange their labor for money, which they can use to buy what they want. for example, someone who wants to live a materialism-free life wants money to pay his bills the rest of his life without ever having to worry about it. as long as things need to be done in the world (= we don't have a fully automated labor force), then people's labor will be exchangeable for money. as long as that is the case, you need an efficient allocator of resources and capital to keep the system running at top speed, otherwise every edge can be exploited by someone else at the mutual collective's expense.

if & when we can have a fully automated labor force (which includes thinking professions like CEOs etc, not just robotic factories), then money will have no utility and the free market can give way to an enlightened group of animals such as humans who wish to collectively figure out the universe. until then, get on your grind because paper is all that matters.

 

[dey know yayo]

as long as people aren't 100% satisfied (= desire anything, = not in nirvana) then they will exchange their labor for money, which they can use to buy what they want. for example, someone who wants to live a materialism-free life wants money to pay his bills the rest of his life without ever having to worry about it. as long as things need to be done in the world (= we don't have a fully automated labor force), then people's labor will be exchangeable for money. as long as that is the case, you need an efficient allocator of resources and capital to keep the system running at top speed, otherwise every edge can be exploited by someone else at the mutual collective's expense.

if & when we can have a fully automated labor force (which includes thinking professions like CEOs etc, not just robotic factories), then money will have no utility and the free market can give way to an enlightened group of animals such as humans who wish to collectively figure out the universe. until then, get on your grind because paper is all that matters.

 

[rashi]

We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.


  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

 

[rashi]

We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.


  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by rashi


We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by rashi


We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by Dey Know Yayo

Originally Posted by rashi


We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

Anarcho-Capitalism isn't self defeatist. Protection could be done privately without the State (i.e. private police, private courts), if their is a demand for it. Otherwise, Rule of Law is their protection. Individuals do not need rulers in order to protect their own liberties.  

 

[rashi]

Originally Posted by Dey Know Yayo

Originally Posted by rashi


We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

Anarcho-Capitalism isn't self defeatist. Protection could be done privately without the State (i.e. private police, private courts), if their is a demand for it. Otherwise, Rule of Law is their protection. Individuals do not need rulers in order to protect their own liberties.  

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by rashi

Dey Know Yayo wrote:

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rashi wrote:

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We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

Anarcho-Capitalism isn't self defeatist. Protection could be done privately without the State (i.e. private police, private courts), if their is a demand for it. Otherwise, Rule of Law is their protection. Individuals do not need rulers in order to protect their own liberties.  

Rule of law? Who enforces the rule of law? The entire premise of individualistic philosophies is the self-evident value of liberty and freedom. However, if a minimum threshold of liberty & freedom is not guaranteed, which it wouldn't be in the case of strictly private police & courts, then once again the system is self-defeatist and one big contradiction.

I believe in a system in which a minimum threshold of standard of living (minimum wage, emergency healthcare, food stamps/welfare, fire dept/police/etc) is subsidized and beyond that the market does its job. Additionally, incentives must be aligned by audits of subsidy use, with transgressions punishable as felonies.

Anarcho-capitalism is a Chomskyish delusion, it has no means of functioning within the reality of humans that exists today on earth.

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by rashi

Dey Know Yayo wrote:

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rashi wrote:

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We would still be living in caves without the voluntary exchanges of goods (Free Market). I'm still waiting for someone to tell me one productive thing a Marxist/Socialist/Fascist has ever invented...It doesn't exist because they aren't interested in capital.

Government couldn't exist, Democracy freedom to participate in how you choose.

  
Please, democracy is a mob rule and a oppresion of the minority. The only moral form of government is no govenrment; individualism, voluntarynism, anarchy.

anarchy is self-defeatist. in order to have any liberties, one must have a means for protecting them. that is the purpose of government. it very much is a social contract.

Anarcho-Capitalism isn't self defeatist. Protection could be done privately without the State (i.e. private police, private courts), if their is a demand for it. Otherwise, Rule of Law is their protection. Individuals do not need rulers in order to protect their own liberties.  

Rule of law? Who enforces the rule of law? The entire premise of individualistic philosophies is the self-evident value of liberty and freedom. However, if a minimum threshold of liberty & freedom is not guaranteed, which it wouldn't be in the case of strictly private police & courts, then once again the system is self-defeatist and one big contradiction.

I believe in a system in which a minimum threshold of standard of living (minimum wage, emergency healthcare, food stamps/welfare, fire dept/police/etc) is subsidized and beyond that the market does its job. Additionally, incentives must be aligned by audits of subsidy use, with transgressions punishable as felonies.

Anarcho-capitalism is a Chomskyish delusion, it has no means of functioning within the reality of humans that exists today on earth.

 

[teamjordan79]

The market isnt free though. You can't deny that favoritism, monopolies, coercion, nepotism and other machinations are still driving the whole system of capital flow. 

I would honestly love to see how anarcho-capitalism would play out in a closed, impartial setting and how a real free market economy would fare without interference. As far as rule of law and protection goes, at this point in civilization, i believe it mostly caters to the established plutocracy and polyarchy in preserving their influence and decrease social mobility. Of course under current conditions, this is all merely but wishful thinking. 

 

[teamjordan79]

The market isnt free though. You can't deny that favoritism, monopolies, coercion, nepotism and other machinations are still driving the whole system of capital flow. 

I would honestly love to see how anarcho-capitalism would play out in a closed, impartial setting and how a real free market economy would fare without interference. As far as rule of law and protection goes, at this point in civilization, i believe it mostly caters to the established plutocracy and polyarchy in preserving their influence and decrease social mobility. Of course under current conditions, this is all merely but wishful thinking. 

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79


The market isnt free though. You can't deny that favoritism, monopolies, coercion, nepotism and other machinations are still driving the whole system of capital flow. 

I would honestly love to see how anarcho-capitalism would play out in a closed, impartial setting and how a real free market economy would fare without interference. As far as rule of law and protection goes, at this point in civilization, i believe it mostly caters to the established plutocracy and polyarchy in preserving their influence and decrease social mobility. Of course under current conditions, this is all merely but wishful thinking. 

The market is far, far from free. Anarcho-capitalism would only make it less free, from a pragmatic sense.

Quickest way to make markets much fairer much quicker:

(1) Hike inheritance/estate taxes up to 80-90%. When someone dies, absolutely no one holds a moral/justifiable claim to his money. His child has not earned the money his parents made him. Bill Gates & Warren Buffett even agree with this. It would change the entire dynamic of wealth disparity, and overnight. Unfortunately this is the one issue which has a lobby almost exclusively funded by rich people... so not gonna happen.

(2) Eliminate agreements that lead to international reserve currencies a la Bretton Woods. Even less practical than (1).

 

[dey know yayo]

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79


The market isnt free though. You can't deny that favoritism, monopolies, coercion, nepotism and other machinations are still driving the whole system of capital flow. 

I would honestly love to see how anarcho-capitalism would play out in a closed, impartial setting and how a real free market economy would fare without interference. As far as rule of law and protection goes, at this point in civilization, i believe it mostly caters to the established plutocracy and polyarchy in preserving their influence and decrease social mobility. Of course under current conditions, this is all merely but wishful thinking. 

The market is far, far from free. Anarcho-capitalism would only make it less free, from a pragmatic sense.

Quickest way to make markets much fairer much quicker:

(1) Hike inheritance/estate taxes up to 80-90%. When someone dies, absolutely no one holds a moral/justifiable claim to his money. His child has not earned the money his parents made him. Bill Gates & Warren Buffett even agree with this. It would change the entire dynamic of wealth disparity, and overnight. Unfortunately this is the one issue which has a lobby almost exclusively funded by rich people... so not gonna happen.

(2) Eliminate agreements that lead to international reserve currencies a la Bretton Woods. Even less practical than (1).

 

[teamjordan79]

Originally Posted by Dey Know Yayo

Originally Posted by TeamJordan79


The market isnt free though. You can't deny that favoritism, monopolies, coercion, nepotism and other machinations are still driving the whole system of capital flow. 

I would honestly love to see how anarcho-capitalism would play out in a closed, impartial setting and how a real free market economy would fare without interference. As far as rule of law and protection goes, at this point in civilization, i believe it mostly caters to the established plutocracy and polyarchy in preserving their influence and decrease social mobility. Of course under current conditions, this is all merely but wishful thinking. 

The market is far, far from free. Anarcho-capitalism would only make it less free, from a pragmatic sense.

Quickest way to make markets much fairer much quicker:

(1) Hike inheritance/estate taxes up to 80-90%. When someone dies, absolutely no one holds a moral/justifiable claim to his money. His child has not earned the money his parents made him. Bill Gates & Warren Buffett even agree with this. It would change the entire dynamic of wealth disparity, and overnight. Unfortunately this is the one issue which has a lobby almost exclusively funded by rich people... so not gonna happen.

(2) Eliminate agreements that lead to international reserve currencies a la Bretton Woods. Even less practical than (1).

(1) Would the money go towards the national budget? Most people would probably compare that to communism. 

(2) Def not happening

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