Rap About Nothing: Hip Hop Chat Thread

[VARNELL HILL]

show business can break ******.

Then when they start trying to tell the public...”hey! Look at what these mf’ers are doing”...they get called crazy and bitter.

See Dave Chappelle

 

[6pac]

I feel like the only reason Pharrell dont rap more because its a treat when he does. If he did it all the time we’d have to start legit comparing him to the other backpacker type rappers and he might not want the pressure of consistency to stand next to Ye/3000/Lupe/etc.

 

[6pac]

show business can break *****s.

Then when they start trying to tell the public...”hey! Look at what these mf’ers are doing”...they get called crazy and bitter.

See Dave Chappelle

dave
michael
kanye
X

lowkey a lot of black celebs who reach a certain stratosphere and peak have this story. the ones who dont have that black boule aura around them like Puff, Hov, Beyonce, Oprah, etc.

And its crazy because its largely our own people be the ones in the comment sections roasting ****** for being crazy or irrelevant.

 

[trynafeelmink]

Also as far as the rapper Joe was talking about on his Podcast, i'm gonna go with Jay Electronica. He has been calling him overrated for years & I could see Jay Elec throwing shots at him.

Also as far as rap goes does anyone honestly want Smoke with Kendrick in a beef? not because he's that much better than everyone, but with the way things are currently set up It will be a hell of a task. Not to mention Kendrick has TDE behind him, that ain't no thrown together crew, them ****** really built with eachother from the ground up 10+ years type ****. If he gets into it he got SNIPERS on deck too.

 

[6pac]

Also as far as the rapper Joe was talking about on his Podcast, i'm gonna go with Jay Electronica. He has been calling him overrated for years & I could see Jay Elec throwing shots at him.

Also as far as rap goes does anyone honestly want Smoke with Kendrick in a beef? not because he's that much better than everyone, but with the way things are currently set up It will be a hell of a task. Not to mention Kendrick has TDE behind him, that ain't no thrown together crew, them *****s really built with eachother from the ground up 10+ years type ****. If he gets into it he got SNIPERS on deck too.

it would have to be someone who could spit and legitimately take it there, both of which are lacking in today’s climate.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Some of these cases are different.


Dave never sounded mad or bitter. Lupe sounds like Eddie Kane every time he talks about Kendrick.


Kanye really has been a clown these past few years.


Michael Jackson did have some issues, not as bad as what he was accused of though.

 

[6pac]

They all had their separate issues but there’s been times where Ye has been coherent and logical about the way this **** works from the top down. Same for Michael.

Ye and Michael abusing prescription drugs likely placed in front of them and that taking its toll has nothing to do with the times they dropped real about the higher ups, and they both were/are still at the top of their game while doing so.

 

[kickvicisous]

Also why I think alot of these child stars end up having mental breakdowns before they 30 or worst they end up harming themselves. I'm sure social media dont make it any easier, the price of fame must be crazy

 

[Proposition Joe]

dave
michael
kanye
X

lowkey a lot of black celebs who reach a certain stratosphere and peak have this story. the ones who dont have that black boule aura around them like Puff, Hov, Beyonce, Oprah, etc.

And its crazy because its largely our own people be the ones in the comment sections roasting *****s for being crazy or irrelevant.

I'm actually curious to see if Beyoncé will have a public meltdown during her first taste of major failure. Both Mariah and whitney the two biggest female artist in the world have had them. Beyoncé has been winning for like 20 years straight so when that failure comes I wonder what will happen. It's coming though, no artist has escaped it.

 

[str8drop]

What would be you guys’ guesses as to why there seems to be a disconnect with Lupe as an artist and how he’s received?

I haven’t seen anyone in this thread dispute that he’s one of the greatest lyricists to ever get on a mic. But I haven’t heard his name mentioned in the GOAT conversation until about two weeks ago when they discussed him on Joe’s podcast.

I think a big part was Atlantic pressing him to make those industry pass around demos with the R&B singer hook built in. He would try and take the tracks and subvert them lyrically on some meet in the middle type ****. He wanted to change the perception of them. A lot of the die hards stopped feeling that tho and they were pretty vocal about it. I think that's were the disconnect started to happen along with him going quiet for long lengths.

I think he was super hot when they started giving those tracks to BOB after he already recorded them, that _ BOB know his place tho and not about to try and hop on and get deep/lyrical







T&Y ALMOST ended being another one of those. They basically gave him a bunch of ******** that he didn't wanna do but was willing to in order to get out of his contract. The album was done and then at the last min they came to him and said they couldn't get a lot of the samples cleared and he was basically like why the **** y'all telling me? I didn't wanna do that **** anyway After 2 years on the bench those hackers threatened Atlantic to give him a release date and it was the aftermath of that major Sony hack so they gave in. I think he ended up having to pay for a lot of the eventual album himself tho.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

They all had their separate issues but there’s been times where Ye has been coherent and logical about the way this **** works from the top down. Same for Michael.

Ye and Michael abusing prescription drugs likely placed in front of them and that taking its toll has nothing to do with the times they dropped real about the higher ups, and they both were/are still at the top of their game while doing so.

Yeah, I don't dismiss everything they said but Mike opened that door for people to call him crazy by having sleepovers with lil boys.

Kanye joined a circus family so it's hard for me to take him that serious now when he's attached to those same type of people. Dude been begging for a spot in that circle. Then he was telling black people stop worrying about racism and ****. Dude all over the place.

 

[6pac]

I'm actually curious to see if Beyoncé will have a public meltdown during her first taste of major failure. Both Mariah and whitney the two biggest female artist in the world have had them. Beyoncé has been winning for like 20 years straight so when that failure comes I wonder what will happen. It's coming though, no artist has escaped it.

No homo I want Jay meat to stop working so Beyonce can wanna go get her groove back and I can have my chance to shoot my shot if I see her old *** at a club in the H or something. She gonna want that young porterhouse pound out and Jay bones gonna be aching too lazy to wash his *** right and ****. Hov bout 50 now so he got like 10-15 before he really old and crusty and Yonce still gonna be on that Brittney Murphy **** aging like fine wine.

This probably aint what you was talking about tho.

 

[Deleted member 107398]

I know a few personal older joints I wanna pound out so bad young **** don’t even impress me nomore, your boy wants that vintage P

 

[6pac]

I think a big part was Atlantic pressing him to make those industry pass around demos with the R&B singer hook built in. He would try and take the tracks and subvert them lyrically on some meet in the middle type ****. He wanted to change the perception of them. A lot of the die hards stopped feeling that tho and they were pretty vocal about it. I think that's were the disconnect started to happen along with him going quiet for long lengths.

I think he was super hot when they started giving those tracks to BOB after he already recorded them, that _ BOB know his place tho and not about to try and hop on and get deep/lyrical







T&Y ALMOST ended being another one of those. They basically gave him a bunch of bull**** that he didn't wanna do but was willing to in order to get out of his contract. The album was done and then at the last min they came to him and said they couldn't get a lot of the samples cleared and he was basically like why the **** y'all telling me? I didn't wanna do that **** anyway After 2 years on the bench those hackers threatened Atlantic to give him a release date and it was the aftermath of that major Sony hack so they gave in. I think he ended up having to pay for a lot of the eventual album himself tho.

whats funny is i signed up to KTT’s predecessor Kanye Live like summer 2010 and the Lupe section organized a campaign to get that **** to come out.

https://www.sohh.com/lupe-fiasco-protest-leader-explains-atlantic-records-rally/

They boycotted, stood outside of Atlantics offices, called every hour about Lasers and when it finally came out it was some bull **** . Looking back Atlantic might have gotten petty on that one and did that just to spite the fans and Lupe. Chess move that hurt Lupe bad in the long run.

 

[harlemtothebronx]

It was definitely Atlantic fumbling Lasers.

Lupe should be in that discussion, but I also think a lot of his stuff can go over heads. He was also never really that hugely popular outside of hip hop, so it's really only hip hop heads who understand how skilled Lupe is.

He's one of those guys that will get all the respect and accolades from his peers, but the general public wouldn't get through Lupe The Killer or Mural, let alone get through it 10 times while simultaneously reading the lyrics. Similar to what hurt Canibus. Most people don't want to dedicate that much energy to understanding lyrics. There's only a few of us super rap nerds who've took the time to break down Lupe's lyrics.

 

[Magic33]

show business can break *****s.

Then when they start trying to tell the public...”hey! Look at what these mf’ers are doing”...they get called crazy and bitter.

See Dave Chappelle

I was listening to something last week and they were talking about Tom Brady and how he's seemed very normal his whole career, but this last year he's starting to lose it, because he's battling father time now.

 

[wavycrocket]

I think a big part was Atlantic pressing him to make those industry pass around demos with the R&B singer hook built in. He would try and take the tracks and subvert them lyrically on some meet in the middle type ****. He wanted to change the perception of them. A lot of the die hards stopped feeling that tho and they were pretty vocal about it. I think that's were the disconnect started to happen along with him going quiet for long lengths.

I think he was super hot when they started giving those tracks to BOB after he already recorded them, that _ BOB know his place tho and not about to try and hop on and get deep/lyrical







T&Y ALMOST ended being another one of those. They basically gave him a bunch of bull**** that he didn't wanna do but was willing to in order to get out of his contract. The album was done and then at the last min they came to him and said they couldn't get a lot of the samples cleared and he was basically like why the **** y'all telling me? I didn't wanna do that **** anyway After 2 years on the bench those hackers threatened Atlantic to give him a release date and it was the aftermath of that major Sony hack so they gave in. I think he ended up having to pay for a lot of the eventual album himself tho.

Thank you for this. Ain’t even know the full picture. I had an idea it went something like this....but damn.

BOB went from making songs with Boosie and DG Yola to that Bruno Mars joint. I see he was just the next cog in the machine willing to say yes when they pressed go.



This classic thing bough

 

[VARNELL HILL]

It was definitely Atlantic fumbling Lasers.

Lupe should be in that discussion, but I also think a lot of his stuff can go over heads. He was also never really that hugely popular outside of hip hop, so it's really only hip hop heads who understand how skilled Lupe is.

He's one of those guys that will get all the respect and accolades from his peers, but the general public wouldn't get through Lupe The Killer or Mural, let alone get through it 10 times while simultaneously reading the lyrics. Similar to what hurt Canibus. Most people don't want to dedicate that much energy to understanding lyrics. There's only a few of us super rap nerds who've took the time to break down Lupe's lyrics.

I never really understood the logic behind it requiring some special level of attention to "break down complex lyrics". Maybe there's something to prodding lyrics to catch things you may have missed on the first couple listens...but the idea that one has to devote some advanced level of attention with Lupe that they don't have to do on a Quavo song doesn't make any sense to me. It also suggests that with "non-lyrical" music...that they can practically get away with saying anything because their lyrics arent the "reason" you're listening in the first place.

I can listen to SLR and be amazed by the totality of the song while I'm in the gym the same way I can listen to Rich Then Famous at my desk and be amazed by the totality of the song

 

[wavycrocket]

It was definitely Atlantic fumbling Lasers.

Lupe should be in that discussion, but I also think a lot of his stuff can go over heads. He was also never really that hugely popular outside of hip hop, so it's really only hip hop heads who understand how skilled Lupe is.

He's one of those guys that will get all the respect and accolades from his peers, but the general public wouldn't get through Lupe The Killer or Mural, let alone get through it 10 times while simultaneously reading the lyrics. Similar to what hurt Canibus. Most people don't want to dedicate that much energy to understanding lyrics. There's only a few of us super rap nerds who've took the time to break down Lupe's lyrics.

Superstar was a top 10 hit. FnL & The Cool went platinum. Kick Push was top 40 and broke through with the skater crowd.

Lupe was versatile and largely popular from like 06-08 amongst a number of different demographics.

I think we’re misremebrting Lupes popularity. It’s not like he was Talib or something. This guy was a platinum selling, Grammy nominated rapper before lasers.

 

[kevlar]

Just part of Atlantic not knowing wtf they're doing when it comes to rap artists

 

[nawghtyhare]

Also why I think alot of these child stars end up having mental breakdowns before they 30 or worst they end up harming themselves. I'm sure social media dont make it any easier, the price of fame must be crazy

Well since we talking about that
Folks are saying
Mk ultra is used in entertainers

 

[trynafeelmink]

I never really understood the logic behind it requiring some special level of attention to "break down complex lyrics". Maybe there's something to prodding lyrics to catch things you may have missed on the first couple listens...but the idea that one has to devote some advanced level of attention with Lupe that they don't have to do on a Quavo song doesn't make any sense to me. It also suggests that with "non-lyrical" music...that they can practically get away with saying anything because their lyrics arent the "reason" you're listening in the first place.

I can listen to SLR and be amazed by the totality of the song while I'm in the gym the same way I can listen to Rich Then Famous at my desk and be amazed by the totality of the song

Im kind of confused how someone could not see the difference in the two. That's not to say everyone wants too or enjoys doing that, but a guy like Lupe is using double/triple entendres for entire songs, referencing stories from his older bars, referencing stories from the bible, is actually trying to cultivate full characters & stories in song form. That takes A lot more concentration & thought into listening than a verse from Quavo which is usually at complete face value & usually has no tailored story or objective, the only point is to make it flow with the beat.

People can like or prefer what they like, but it's kind of disrespectful to Lupe to say his writing doesn't take more processing than Quavo. When it's clear as day he puts ALOT more thought into his verses.

 

[tay1]

Lasers was the third CD I bought. Never gave a **** about buying cd's but I was gonna get that one. Was so disappointed. I honestly haven't listened to anything after.

 

[tay1]

While not in the same circle of talent as lupe Kendrick is still lyrical. People for some reason think lyricism comes one way when there are several ways you can be lyrical.

 

[Peep Game]

We saw how they did Krit and now Dave East. They gonna force Payroll to work with xxxtsagdhgd.

That would be so trash

Wavy gotta throw in Wayne name no matter what. SMH, Wayne trash and will always be trash. Wayne was never and will never be on Lupe level

Lupe had label problems. He didn't want to do the commercial route and when he did, he was successful. Lasers did well and I think that was his last time going commercial. Think he filled his contract or finally got dropped and then he started making his music but too much time had passed.

That's the thing about music, especially today. When you're hot, you pretty much have to keep up that momentum. There's a certain window you have dropping stuff, and certain breaks could keep you from reaching another level.

While not in the same circle of talent as lupe Kendrick is still lyrical. People for some reason think lyricism comes one way when there are several ways you can be lyrical.

It's cause when the average (I guess, casual) listener hears the term "lyrical", they think of people rhyming the dictionary, or doing what Eminem has been doing for awhile, just packing as many syllables as you can into a sentence.