Question For Christians

[keithsweatsjordans]

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Oh look... another anti-Christian thread on NT... how original.

We live in a pro-Christian country. Our money is Christian (in God we trust). Our court system is Christian (hand on the bible). Our schools are Christian (kids chanting "one nation, under God" everyday before class). And you mad because a couple threads speaking the opposite pop up on NT.

 

[8tothe24]

Originally Posted by keithsweatsjordans

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Oh look... another anti-Christian thread on NT... how original.

We live in a pro-Christian country. Our money is Christian (in God we trust). Our court system is Christian (hand on the bible). Our schools are Christian (kids chanting "one nation, under God" everyday before class). And you mad because a couple threads speaking the opposite pop up on NT.

Not mad at all son, just an observation... looks like you are though.

 

[so nyuh shi dae]

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Oh look... another anti-Christian thread on NT... how original.

Someone asks a legitimate question about Christianity and that's anti-Christian?
No wonder there's so much hostility towards atheists in the States. 

 

[Mound Raised]

Same turds, different toilet

 

[wr]

I say we make on official religious discussion thread that has some rules so it doesn't get sidetracked by the usual culprits and petty bickering. We need to sit back and discuss this stuff like the grown ups we all claim to be and show the people out there reading that we can do this the right way. What do ya'll think?

I would really love to have something where we really discuss scripture and interpretations from varying viewpoints without drowning each other out. Point for point and no name calling.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Oh look... another anti-Christian thread on NT... how original.

Someone asks a legitimate question about Christianity and that's anti-Christian?
No wonder there's so much hostility towards atheists in the States. 

This is the general theme of certain NT religious threads, someone asks a legit question, insecure religious dude sees it as a personal attack and says something along the lines of "Oh another religion bashing thread, mods close this", thread derails

 

[8tothe24]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Oh look... another anti-Christian thread on NT... how original.

Someone asks a legitimate question about Christianity and that's anti-Christian?
No wonder there's so much hostility towards atheists in the States. 

This is the general theme of certain NT religious threads, someone asks a legit question, insecure religious dude sees it as a personal attack and says something along the lines of "Oh another religion bashing thread, mods close this", thread derails

1- This is far from a legitimate question.  More like a loaded question.
2- I am not religious- I just find the bigotry towards Christian on NT amusing.
3- Far from insecure, I have no problem calling anyone out if it puts me outside the NT "norm" of having a problem with Christians.  Truth be said, I live a great life!

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by So Nyuh Shi Dae

Someone asks a legitimate question about Christianity and that's anti-Christian?
No wonder there's so much hostility towards atheists in the States. 

This is the general theme of certain NT religious threads, someone asks a legit question, insecure religious dude sees it as a personal attack and says something along the lines of "Oh another religion bashing thread, mods close this", thread derails

1- This is far from a legitimate question.  More like a loaded question.
2- I am not religious- I just find the bigotry towards Christian on NT amusing.
3- Far from insecure, I have no problem calling anyone out if it puts me outside the NT "norm" of having a problem with Christians.  Truth be said, I live a great life!

LOL @ "loaded question", is it a loaded question because it is a bad question or because some of the answers potentially challenge your beliefs? Like I said, insecure

 

[DCAllAfrican]

Anton, why won't you just save your religious talk responses in a WORD document and paste them into each thread, instead of wasting time typing them out in each and every one of them. Never seen someone discuss the same topic so much on here. It is funny. Well Method man and Veganism.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

Anton, why won't you just save your religious talk responses in a WORD document and paste them into each thread, instead of wasting time typing them out in each and every one of them. Never seen someone discuss the same topic so much on here. It is funny. Well Method man and Veganism.

I do, I just make minor edits based on who I'm responding to


I could say the same thing about you and discussing issues of masculinity and "female bashing"

Our reputations precede us

 

[DCAllAfrican]

When was the last time you have seen me talk on those topics?

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by DCAllAmerican

When was the last time you have seen me talk on those topics?

no idea, those topics aren't as popular as the daily NT religious and race threads, but when they come up you respond and give your opinion-same thing I do in religious threads no? It's not like I even create most of these threads

 

[8tothe24]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey


This is the general theme of certain NT religious threads, someone asks a legit question, insecure religious dude sees it as a personal attack and says something along the lines of "Oh another religion bashing thread, mods close this", thread derails

1- This is far from a legitimate question.  More like a loaded question.
2- I am not religious- I just find the bigotry towards Christian on NT amusing.
3- Far from insecure, I have no problem calling anyone out if it puts me outside the NT "norm" of having a problem with Christians.  Truth be said, I live a great life!

LOL @ "loaded question", is it a loaded question because it is a bad question or because some of the answers potentially challenge your beliefs? Like I said, insecure

... yes it is a loaded question.  This same topic w/ the same exact picture has popped up on NT at least 3 times that I can recall with the same issue and every time turned into an anti-Christianity thread.

Insecure bigots such as yourself that cannot accept the beliefs of other are the root of all problems in this world.  Because you are set in your "belief" system (in this case anit-Christianity), you feel that everyone that opposes your opinion is wrong.  Sounds a lot like the Christians you hate.

Child, you have much growing up to do.

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

1- This is far from a legitimate question.  More like a loaded question.
2- I am not religious- I just find the bigotry towards Christian on NT amusing.
3- Far from insecure, I have no problem calling anyone out if it puts me outside the NT "norm" of having a problem with Christians.  Truth be said, I live a great life!

LOL @ "loaded question", is it a loaded question because it is a bad question or because some of the answers potentially challenge your beliefs? Like I said, insecure

... yes it is a loaded question.  This same topic w/ the same exact picture has popped up on NT at least 3 times that I can recall with the same issue and every time turned into an anti-Christianity thread.

Insecure bigots such as yourself that cannot accept the beliefs of other are the root of all problems in this world.  Because you are set in your "belief" system (in this case anit-Christianity), you feel that everyone that opposes your opinion is wrong.  Sounds a lot like the Christians you hate.

Child, you have much growing up to do.

-LOL @ "Christians you hate", if you knew how to read you would know bigotry and hatred is probably the number one reason why I reject religion--Hatred is burning down somebody's Church or village because they're a different religion, hatred is a ditch full of Jewish babies, hatred is threatening to kill your son for being gay because the bible told you too-Questioning religion is NOT hatred, only people with insecurities think that

-Again where do we draw the line between a  loaded q and a question that needs answers? because the impression I'm getting from you is asking questions period means you hate Christians

 

-In case you also missed this important point, I don't have to agree with your beliefs, or even respect it but I will defend your right to believe whatever it is you want to believe

COME AT ME BRO

 

[8tothe24]

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

LOL @ "loaded question", is it a loaded question because it is a bad question or because some of the answers potentially challenge your beliefs? Like I said, insecure

... yes it is a loaded question.  This same topic w/ the same exact picture has popped up on NT at least 3 times that I can recall with the same issue and every time turned into an anti-Christianity thread.

Insecure bigots such as yourself that cannot accept the beliefs of other are the root of all problems in this world.  Because you are set in your "belief" system (in this case anit-Christianity), you feel that everyone that opposes your opinion is wrong.  Sounds a lot like the Christians you hate.

Child, you have much growing up to do.

-LOL @ "Christians you hate", if you knew how to read you would know bigotry and hatred is probably the number one reason why I reject religion--Hatred is burning down somebody's Church or village because they're a different religion, hatred is a ditch full of Jewish babies, hatred is threatening to kill your son for being gay because the bible told you too-Questioning religion is NOT hatred, only people with insecurities think that

-Again where do we draw the line between a  loaded q and a question that needs answers? because the impression I'm getting from you is asking questions period means you hate Christians

 

-In case you also missed this important point, I don't have to agree with your beliefs, or even respect it but I will defend your right to believe whatever it is you want to believe

COME AT ME BRO

In your attempt at intelligence, you only prove you are a fool.  I don't care what you believe in, nor do I need you to defend or not defend what I do or in this case do not believe in, you are a bigot and no attempt to prove otherwise will change that.  You don't bring questions, you bring an arrogant attitude against something that you don't agree with.  Bigotry and fake intellect will get you nowhere in life, and the fact that you have to make some attempt at explaining your hatred for religion away as an evil only proves that you are a bigger idiot and bigot than I thought you were.

Only an insecure person would turn his insecurities around on religion and blame it for the evils and problems of mankind.  Not only are you an insecure child, your pseudo-intellect is an embarrassment to those who actually know the suffering of war and abuse.  And since you want to go there; let me ask you this you child, do you have any relatives/ancestors that were exterminated in gas chambers by the Nazis during WWII?  I do, and guess what... they weren't Jew... Gay... Christian.  They were killed because of the evil that exists in humanity.  You are a disgusting bigot.  I'll say it again, you are a bigot... no insecurity only reality.

FACT is, this exact thread has been done over and over before on NT with the whole intent of attacking a religion that persons, such as yourself, don't agree with.  And in an attempt to justify your own insecurities, you must attack something for which you don't understand or agree with.  And pathetic attempts at blaming the worlds troubles on religion only exposes you for the bigot you are.

I don't need to come at you, you already have proven what a fool you are.  My suggestion, go learn real tolerance.... BROigot!

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

... yes it is a loaded question.  This same topic w/ the same exact picture has popped up on NT at least 3 times that I can recall with the same issue and every time turned into an anti-Christianity thread.

Insecure bigots such as yourself that cannot accept the beliefs of other are the root of all problems in this world.  Because you are set in your "belief" system (in this case anit-Christianity), you feel that everyone that opposes your opinion is wrong.  Sounds a lot like the Christians you hate.

Child, you have much growing up to do.

-LOL @ "Christians you hate", if you knew how to read you would know bigotry and hatred is probably the number one reason why I reject religion--Hatred is burning down somebody's Church or village because they're a different religion, hatred is a ditch full of Jewish babies, hatred is threatening to kill your son for being gay because the bible told you too-Questioning religion is NOT hatred, only people with insecurities think that

-Again where do we draw the line between a  loaded q and a question that needs answers? because the impression I'm getting from you is asking questions period means you hate Christians

 

-In case you also missed this important point, I don't have to agree with your beliefs, or even respect it but I will defend your right to believe whatever it is you want to believe

COME AT ME BRO

In your attempt at intelligence, you only prove you are a fool.  I don't care what you believe in, you are a bigot and no attempt to prove otherwise will change that.  You don't bring questions, you bring an arrogant attitude against something that you don't agree with.  Bigotry and fake intellect will get you nowhere in life, and the fact that you have to make some attempt at explaining your hatred for religion away as an evil only proves that you are a bigger idiot and bigot than I thought you were.

Only an insecure person would turn his insecurities around on religion and blame it for the evils and problems of mankind.  Not only are you an insecure child, your pseudo-intellect is an embarrassment to those who actually know the suffering of war and abuse.  And since you want to go there; let me ask you this you child, do you have any relatives/ancestors that were exterminated in gas chambers by the Nazis during WWII?  I do, and guess what... they weren't Jew... Gay... Christian.  They were killed because of the evil that exists in humanity.  You are a disgusting bigot.  I'll say it again, you are a bigot... no insecurity only reality.

FACT is, this exact thread has been done over and over before on NT with the whole intent of attacking a religion that persons, such as yourself, don't agree with.  And in an attempt to justify your own insecurities, you must attack something for which you don't understand or agree with.  And pathetic attempts at blaming the worlds troubles on religion only exposes you for the bigot you are.

I don't need to come at you, you already have proven what a fool you are.  My suggestion, go learn real tolerance.... BROigot!

-I don't blame all of the world's troubles on religion, I do however think religion is a formidable tool to perpetuate a lot of the world's ills
-I also hold religious people to higher standard of morality, if you're going to play the card of self righteousness I expect you to be a Saint-Don't preach to me about "thou shall not kill" and make violent threats to people based on your religion
-I have no problem with people believing whatever the hell they want to believe but I should have the right to challenge it and ask questions-this is a luxury I am afforded in this country in many parts of the world people don't have this luxury
-Again, when I start killing people for being religious and when people I love stop loving people in my life who are religious (my mother included) you can call me a bigot

-LOL @ attempt @ intelligence, I'm objectively a lot more intelligent than you are STOP IT!!!

-Religious people assume you need to be an "intellectual" to argue against religion, I don't need a degree in quantum physics to tell a kid that a far man in a red jumpsuit that delivers presents to every kid on xmas doesn't exist

-You still haven't given me an example of a religious question you don't consider an attack, because the very act of questioning your religion bothers you-If you were steadfast in your faith in your diety this wouldn't bother you so much-step your faith game up

-A genocide was attempted on my tribe because of "religious" and ethnic tensions before you assume I can't relate-It is very easy to unite people under religion to do evil you'd be naive not to think so, all you have to do is look cross-culturally at historical facts
-So the fact that I'm arrogant makes the questions I ask about religion less valid? If I ask the questions without a tone of arrogance will you feel less insecure?

-BDW you being intolerant of my beliefs makes you a BIGOT as well, take a look in the mirror before you go pointing fingers

COME AT ME BRO---I got all day/night

 

[jordan novice]

In all honesty, I am a fan of these threads. I've read every post so far, and haven't read many answers to questions asked. Just a lot of retaliation to the posters themselves.
I'm agnostic myself (not that it matters, you probably view me as atheist still), so that's why I'm so into it. I've taken world religion classes to get a better understanding of religions and to see what I believe in.

But how can I become religious if you guys don't put up a good fight and try and persuade me to understand your religion better?
All you guys do is use the scare tactics on me, and you can't even do that because you don't lead by example.
Religious believers, try and convert me. Persuade me, show me the way.

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by Jordan Novice

In all honesty, I am a fan of these threads. I've read every post so far, and haven't read many answers to questions asked. Just a lot of retaliation to the posters themselves.
I'm agnostic myself (not that it matters, you probably view me as atheist still), so that's why I'm so into it. I've taken world religion classes to get a better understanding of religions and to see what I believe in.

But how can I become religious if you guys don't put up a good fight and try and persuade me to understand your religion better?
All you guys do is use the scare tactics on me, and you can't even do that because you don't lead by example.
Religious believers, try and convert me. Persuade me, show me the way.

See posters like you are why I keep coming back.
Thanks for being honest.

The religious folks think their "faith" or "belief" is free from criticism and they've been taught that anyone even QUESTIONING their religion is bad or wrong or immoral or some other emotional trick they've been lied to about.

The fact is, that NO THOUGHT OR ACTION is free from criticism. Even if they threaten you. Are they going to stop you from even taking time to ask yourself personal questions? 




Might does not make Right. This phrase essentially means that threatening someone doesn't make it the right position. This can also be extended to religion. An all powerful "god" doesn't mean that you should not and can never question it. If that god has to threaten you with punishment to not challenge it, does that make it right to do so? Especially if its so "loving?" 

Its ok to ask questions and honestly, I hope you continue to. Any doctrine or ideology that chastises and marginalizes people who ask questions is not to be trusted. Its clear that they probably don't like people asking questions because they either dont like hard questions or they know their stance is indefensible. 

Society is becoming more secular because of the internet and free thought is flowing because people can ask questions and learn more history about their religions. A comparative religion course or even a WORLD history course will reveal how religion is used over time in difference societies and also how much they steal doctrine and influence from each other. Its the refusal to see the parallels between past societies and current ones that blinds most people from just accepting the farce that religion is. 

Scaring women into getting beat or children who don't believe isn't love. its indoctrination. There are many people who are "closeted atheists" who simply can not reveal their lack of faith for fear of reprisal in society by losing their jobs, friends, or status. 

I bet you if people started worshiping cows, you would have a majority of politicians start worshiping cows.

On top of that, if you can be a good, honest, moral person without religion, then what does belief in ONE (of many) god(s) offer you then? 

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

Originally Posted by AntonLaVey

Originally Posted by 8tothe24

... yes it is a loaded question.  This same topic w/ the same exact picture has popped up on NT at least 3 times that I can recall with the same issue and every time turned into an anti-Christianity thread.

Insecure bigots such as yourself that cannot accept the beliefs of other are the root of all problems in this world.  Because you are set in your "belief" system (in this case anit-Christianity), you feel that everyone that opposes your opinion is wrong.  Sounds a lot like the Christians you hate.

Child, you have much growing up to do.

-LOL @ "Christians you hate", if you knew how to read you would know bigotry and hatred is probably the number one reason why I reject religion--Hatred is burning down somebody's Church or village because they're a different religion, hatred is a ditch full of Jewish babies, hatred is threatening to kill your son for being gay because the bible told you too-Questioning religion is NOT hatred, only people with insecurities think that

-Again where do we draw the line between a  loaded q and a question that needs answers? because the impression I'm getting from you is asking questions period means you hate Christians

  

-In case you also missed this important point, I don't have to agree with your beliefs, or even respect it but I will defend your right to believe whatever it is you want to believe

COME AT ME BRO

In your attempt at intelligence, you only prove you are a fool.  I don't care what you believe in, nor do I need you to defend or not defend what I do or in this case do not believe in, you are a bigot and no attempt to prove otherwise will change that.  You don't bring questions, you bring an arrogant attitude against something that youdon't agree with.  Bigotry and fake intellect will get you nowhere in life, and the fact that you have to make some attempt at explaining your hatred for religion away as an evil only proves that you are a bigger idiot and bigot than I thought you were.

Only an insecure person would turn his insecurities around on religion and blame it for the evils and problems of mankind.  Not only are you an insecure child, your pseudo-intellect is an embarrassment to those who actually know the suffering of war and abuse.  And since you want to go there; let me ask you this you child, do you have any relatives/ancestors that were exterminated in gas chambers by the Nazis during WWII?  I do, and guess what... they weren't Jew... Gay... Christian.  They were killed because of the evil that exists in humanity.  You are a disgusting bigot.  I'll say it again, you are a bigot... no insecurity only reality.

FACT is, this exact thread has been done over and over before on NT with the whole intent of attacking a religion that persons, such as yourself, don't agree with.  And in an attempt to justify your own insecurities, you must attack something for which you don't understand or agree with.  And pathetic attempts at blaming the worlds troubles on religion only exposes you for the bigot you are.

I don't need to come at you, you already have proven what a fool you are.  My suggestion, go learn real tolerance.... BROigot! 

How does him explaining his stance make him an idiot? 



Rather, what has he said that makes him an idiot? 


Where does the idea to stone women come from? 




I mean i don't think he is saying all bad comes from religion. He is saying that a bunch of stuff is needlessly promoted by religion. He is smart enough to know that eliminating religion wont fix other influences of crime and war like poverty, allocation of resources, and power struggles...but religion provides a vehicle for much of that to continue. 




There is a reason why more educated people tend to be less religious or people with more money tend to be less religious. They have removed themselves from the need to be influenced by others to an extent and don't need validations of "thought" systems to influence them. 




OK...some fringe members of society you know were caught in the crossfire of the majority of people being persecuted for religious reasons. I'm sorry but this doesn't change the notion that religion influences some pretty nasty things.




And I DO agree with you that bad people will do bad things and good people will do good things. Religion itself isn't good or bad, but its implementation and use to legitimize actions makes it a useless entity. It condones many of these actions. 




Its like the white people who died fighting for civil rights. 




These incendiary words mask your point. Bigot? Hatred? Insecurity? It seems to me that you're upset that he does not agree with you...and instead of elucidating WHAT you disagree with, you're sticking to name calling. 




Furthermore, his attempt to justify his stance is more than I can say for you simply because at least he is taking the time to explain his grievance point by point. 




Do you want tolerance?




Or do you want to just not be challenged?




Intolerance would be harming you or preventing you from thinking or saying what you want.




Tolerance would be allowing you to say what you think or feel without fear of reaction. 




It sounds to me that you just dont want alternative viewpoints and view dissension as "intolerance"




You just want to be free to say what you want without people even so much as disagreeing with you... That seems intolerant to me. People dont have to agree with you. But they have a right to believe what they want to. 




Which is why I wont force you to agree with me...but I will challenge anything you say if I disagree with it. 

 

[tkthafm]

All Christians should watch this
The concept of the "trinity" or Jesus (supposedly "God") being killed by mere humans (people really believe this)... "dying for sins"... all these supposed teachings of Christianity are incorrect and manipulations of the original message.

 

[rufiorufiorufio]

nonbelief and belief cuntraggery to lack of getting buns ratio seems high in this thread.

it's the same people over and over arguing over this. it's like a sitcom sometimes. anton and sillyputty, who apparently is optimusprime and i hope not the same optimus who would let drake slide all in his throat, optimus) are doing their best newman and kramer schtick

swag on gentlemen swag on

 

[sillyputty]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

All Christians should watch this
The concept of the "trinity" or Jesus (supposedly "God") being killed by mere humans (people really believe this)... "dying for sins"... all these supposed teachings of Christianity are incorrect and manipulations of the original message.

The whole concept of Islam is funny to me.
Apparently God got the message wrong the first two tries with Judaism and Christianity and thus created Islam 

 

[tkthafm]

Islam was always the original message from the start with Abraham (submission to one God).

The problems were not that God "got the message wrong" but that humans manipulated the messages (point of my post).

 

[rufiorufiorufio]

so what is the TRUTH??????

 

[antonlavey]

Originally Posted by tkthafm

Islam was always the original message from the start with Abraham (submission to one God).

The problems were not that God "got the message wrong" but that humans manipulated the messages (point of my post).

Hmm, now no one sees a problem with Gods message being diluted from generation to generation?


If I said something important right now before I died and passed it on and told whoever I told to pass it on I wonder what it would sound like a few decades from now


But nah, thinking like that is bashing religion

, I'm not allowed to THINK period


PS everyone thinks their religion has the purest most original message, if I'm not mistaken there were many prophets between Abraham and Muhammad

Furthermore, how is no one concerned about the fact that God's message is being transmitted by MEN I highlighted men for a few reasons my second reason is why are the Judeochristian scriptures dominated by males-God didn't want to talk to women?

Why is the bible and Kuran so heavily dominated by MEN


I ask questions that makes religious people uncomfortable and I will NOT apologize for it-

 

[tkthafm]

All such prophets preached the same message (Submitting to one God).

Obviously the message changing (innovations being introduced to a message) as it is passed down over hundreds of years is a possibility. However, the Qur'an was memorized immediately while the Prophet was reciting it, and until this day, there are tens of thousands of Muslims across the globe who have memorized the Qur'an cover to cover letter by letter.

This isn't a children's game of "telephone" we are talking about. As for the woman point, sure, the Prophet chosen was male, but there have been many women who have contributed significantly to our understanding. just as one example, the most eminent Islamic scholars of the time would often seek out Aisha (wife of the Prophet) to help them understand things/solve issues they couldn't figure out.