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My whole thing that turns me off about the skates besides them being so uncomfortable I was bleeding, is that when they first came out I swear retail was like 400 and they all went on deep sale (besides the baby cats) to like 200$. I bought my pair for like 190$? Then the next season for no reason at all they bumped the price like +150-200$. Now celebs been wearing them and they don't really go on sale anymore. It's just that I totally equate them to being worth like 200-250$ now to me and paying 500$+ for them seems outrageous given they are canvas sneakers. I like the look but nothing else about them if that makes sense.