Police Kill Unarmed Teen In Ferguson, Missouri

airedweezy said:
Hate to say it but superb has the right idea on what protesters should do.

Boycott>>> burning the city you live in. Where the only harm you will be doing is destroying your own city and homes. And letting media outlets spin the reaction to make the people look bad.
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Media is going to spin regardless.

Protests and boycotts must be absolutely disruptive.
 
As far as political effectiveness is concerned, the ideal protest is one percent violent, nine percent martyrdom and ninety percent mass.

You want a massive number in order to get on the news and to grab everyone's attention. You want the martyrdom in order to galvanize the liberal/black base and you want a drop of violence in order to scare conservatives.

White liberals can love and somewhat identify with black people but conservatives never will do so. If you cannot get someone to love you, politically, you must make them fear you. The worst thing in politics is to be both hated and seen as soft.

As conservatives, hardcore conservatives, fear black people, they will do two things. They will move out of your city or even your State and self segregate themselves into places like Idaho or Montana and thus they remove their votes and voices from your State and local politics. The other course of action is that they will stay in the community and they will have to at least act nicer and act respectful, lest their store get trashed the next time that an unarmed black teen gets murdered by a police officer. Historically, riots may be publicly condemned by public officials but those same officials will quietly make concessions a few months or years after the riots end.

Every successful non violent movement has been backed by the threat of force either real or implied. MLK and other non violent black people had Malcolm X and sometimes the US Army. Gandhi had the threat of Indian partisans fighting a bankrupted Britain. Communism fell because the Armies of the Warsaw Pact sided with the protestors, that was the same case during the Arab Spring. Apartheid fell largely because South Africa was shunned economically and diplomatically. Moral Superiority has done much in the last Century but even the most non violent of movements need at least hint of force in order to convince the old regime to change its ways.
 
airedweezy said:
Hate to say it but superb has the right idea on what protesters should do.

Boycott>>> burning the city you live in. Where the only harm you will be doing is destroying your own city and homes. And letting media outlets spin the reaction to make the people look bad.
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right they should organize boycotts as well. The more they riot or protest, the more money they are giving the officers for overtime and other stuff. This is exactly what they want. IF they do choose to protest they need to go to DC and do it . organize something like the million man march
 
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best thing the protesters to do is if they dont indict wilson, which they are not is to not even protest. dont even make a sense and act as nothing happen. That will hurt the cops and other people who feel wilson did nothing wrong even worse

all that training, all that training, money spent on overtime out the window. That will send a stronger message and show people that protesters arent violent
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or just vote them out of office.. and dont support any white owned businesses. Economic protest is better these days.. Hurt that money and they will get far.
 
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wait. so a family hung from a tree with the baby on the ground having a knife in its back... is chalked up to "just a bad decision?"

ok ok  lets entertain that theory. they happened to use black trash bags and are SO far from being racist, they didnt even think about the negative connotation associated with hanging ANY person from a tree? so far from being racist they never thought "maybe hanging a family wont rub some people the right way... people dont like to see hanging bodies from trees ever since the whole slavery and lynching thing... oh wait... what if someone sees me hanging these black colored bodies from trees? they might REALLY get the wrong idea!"

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exactly.. they could have put pumpkin heads for all of that.. but leaving them black they knew what they were doing..
 
Whatever happen to the other case where they found the dude wrapped up in the wrestling mat? Any progress?
 
Here we go again!

AP Exclusive: Ferguson no-fly zone aimed at media

WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. government agreed to a police request to restrict more than 37 square miles of airspace surrounding Ferguson, Missouri, for 12 days in August for safety, but audio recordings show that local authorities privately acknowledged the purpose was to keep away news helicopters during violent street protests.

On Aug. 12, the morning after the Federal Aviation Administration imposed the first flight restriction, FAA air traffic managers struggled to redefine the flight ban to let commercial flights operate at nearby Lambert-St. Louis International Airport and police helicopters fly through the area — but ban others.

"They finally admitted it really was to keep the media out," said one FAA manager about the St. Louis County Police in a series of recorded telephone conversations obtained by The Associated Press. "But they were a little concerned of, obviously, anything else that could be going on.

At another point, a manager at the FAA's Kansas City center said police "did not care if you ran commercial traffic through this TFR (temporary flight restriction) all day long. They didn't want media in there."

FAA procedures for defining a no-fly area did not have an option that would accommodate that.

"There is really ... no option for a TFR that says, you know, 'OK, everybody but the media is OK,'" he said. The managers then worked out wording they felt would keep news helicopters out of the controlled zone but not impede other air traffic.

The conversations contradict claims by the St. Louis County Police Department, which responded to demonstrations following the shooting death of 18-year-old Michael Brown, that the restriction was solely for safety and had nothing to do with preventing media from witnessing the violence or the police response.

Police said at the time, and again as recently as late Friday to the AP, that they requested the flight restriction in response to shots fired at a police helicopter.

But police officials confirmed there was no damage to their helicopter and were unable to provide an incident report on the shooting. On the tapes, an FAA manager described the helicopter shooting as unconfirmed "rumors."

The AP obtained the recordings under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act. They raise serious questions about whether police were trying to suppress aerial images of the demonstrations and the police response by violating the constitutional rights of journalists with tacit assistance by federal officials.

Such images would have offered an unvarnished view of one of the most serious episodes of civil violence in recent memory.

"Any evidence that a no-fly zone was put in place as a pretext to exclude the media from covering events in Ferguson is extraordinarily troubling and a blatant violation of the press's First Amendment rights," said Lee Rowland, an American Civil Liberties Union staff attorney specializing in First Amendment issues.

An FAA manager urged modifying the flight restriction so that planes landing at Lambert still could enter the airspace around Ferguson.

The less-restrictive change practically served the authorities' intended goal, an FAA official said: "A lot of the time the (lesser restriction) just keeps the press out, anyways. They don't understand the difference."

The Kansas City FAA manager then asked a St. Louis County police official if the restrictions could be lessened so nearby commercial flights wouldn't be affected. The new order allows "aircraft on final (approach) there at St. Louis. It will still keep news people out. ... The only way people will get in there is if they give them permission in there anyway so they, with the (lesser restriction), it still keeps all of them out."

"Yeah," replied the police official. "I have no problem with that whatsoever."

KMOV-TV News Director Brian Thouvenot told the AP that his station was prepared at first to legally challenge the flight restrictions, but was later advised that its pilot could fly over the area as long as the helicopter stayed above 3,000 feet. That kept the helicopter and its mounted camera outside the restricted zone, although filming from such a distance, he said, was "less than ideal."

None of the St. Louis stations was advised that media helicopters could enter the airspace even under the lesser restrictions, which under federal rules should not have applied to aircraft "carrying properly accredited news representatives." The FAA's no-fly notice indicated the area was closed to all aircraft except police and planes coming to and from the airport.

"Only relief aircraft operations under direction of St. Louis County Police Department are authorized in the airspace," it said. "Aircraft landing and departing St. Louis Lambert Airport are exempt."

Ferguson police were widely criticized for their response following the death of Brown, who was shot by a city police officer, Darren Wilson, on Aug. 9. Later, under county police command, several reporters were arrested, a TV news crew was tear gassed and some demonstrators were told they weren't allowed to film officers. In early October, a federal judge said the police violated demonstrators' and news crews' constitutional rights.

"Here in the United States of America, police should not be bullying and arresting reporters who are just doing their jobs," President Barack Obama said Aug. 14, two days after police confided to federal officials the flight ban was secretly intended to keep media helicopters out of the area. "The local authorities, including police, have a responsibility to be transparent and open."

The restricted flight zone initially encompassed airspace in a 3.4-mile radius around Ferguson and up to 5,000 feet in altitude, but police agreed to reduce it to 3,000 feet after the FAA's command center in Warrenton, Virginia, complained to managers in Kansas City that it was impeding traffic into St. Louis. A police official assured the FAA he had no objections to commercial air traffic entering the zone, according to one recording.

The flight restrictions remained in place until Aug. 22, FAA records show. A police captain wanted it extended when officials were set to identify Wilson by name as the officer who shot Brown and because Brown's funeral would "bring out the emotions," the recordings show.

"We just don't know what to expect," he told the FAA. "We're monitoring that. So, last night we shot a lot of tear gas, we had a lot of shots fired into the air again. It did quiet down after midnight, but with that ... we don't know when that's going to erupt."

The recordings do not capture early conversations about the initial flight restriction imposed a day earlier, but they nonetheless show the FAA still approved and modified the flight restriction after the FAA was aware that its main intent was to keep the media away.

One FAA official at the agency's command center asked the Kansas City manager in charge whether the restrictions were really about safety. "So are (the police) protecting aircraft from small-arms fire or something?" he asked. "Or do they think they're just going to keep the press out of there, which they can't do."
 
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Whenever police wave off news cameras and reporters, it means they're about to do some foul ****.
 
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Violating Constitutional rights :{

Those same people would be hollering about their second amendment rights :rolleyes
 
Just all f'ed up. Whatever happens after Wilson gets away with this happens. People are tired of seeing the same **** go on. You keep spitting in people's face eventually they're gonna react.
 
Maximus Meridius said:
Just all f'ed up. Whatever happens after Wilson gets away with this happens. People are tired of seeing the same **** go on. You keep spitting in people's face eventually they're gonna react.
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Today is the day to REACT, so I wonder what the voter turnout will be today? People are angry and want to riot but today is the day that actually will make the difference for the future of Ferguson.

Last I read, the Fannie Lou Hamer Coalition was urging the black demographic to turn against Democrat Steve Stenger and endorse Republican Rick Stream for St. Louis County executive

http://www.fannielouhamerclub.org/nojusticenovote
 
MF plan to keep this going all throughout the winter
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Mike Brown’s Mom Is Taking Her Son’s Case to the UN in Geneva
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By Alice Speri

October 31, 2014 | 3:55 pm
Lesley McSpadden, the mother of the 18-year-old boy whose death at the hands of a Ferguson police officer in August sparked weeks of protests, is going to Geneva, Switzerland next month to speak about her son and other victims of police brutality in front of the United Nations.

Mike Brown's killing is still under investigation by federal officials, while a local grand jury tasked with deciding whether to charge officer Darren Wilson for his death is supposed to make an announcement any day — with few in Ferguson believing that an indictment is likely.

But with little faith in the justice her son will receive, McSpadden, accompanied by one of the family's lawyers and a handful of local activists and human rights advocates, is taking her son's case — and that of other victims of racial profiling and police violence — straight to the UN Committee Against Torture, the body tasked with preventing torture and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment and punishment around the world.

The trip — which was recently made public by organizers and promoted under the tagline "Ferguson to Geneva" — is meant to make a case, to as wide an audience as possible, that both Brown's killing and the militarized police response to protesters demanding justice for him, are a matter of human rights.

"It's actually covered by article one of the convention against torture," Justin Hansford, a law professor at Saint Louis University and co-author of a brief to the UN body filed by Brown's family and local activists, told VICE News. "When the government has all the guns, all the force, and when they can kill people with impunity and without fear of being found guilty of a crime, that's a classic example of state violence."

"You see this in dictatorships and regimes where they do this to their own citizens and they get away with it," he added.

Hansford compared Brown's killing to that of Emmet Till in the 1950s — a pivotal moment behind the civil rights movement of the following years.

"The murder of Michael Brown was a fresh cut in an old wound in the sense that it played on the legacy of lynching, when black people's bodies were on display for people as a form of intimidation," Hansford said, referring to Brown's body, which laid on the streets for more than four hours.

Brown's death, he added, "wasn't just a violation of people's civil rights, it was a violation of their human rights."

Amnesty International denounces human rights abuses in Ferguson as police gather riot gear ahead of grand jury decision. Read more here.

Following widespread protests, the US Department of Justice launched two separate investigations — one into Brown's death, and one into the Ferguson police department, to determine whether discrimination has played a role in officers' behavior there. But protesters and rights advocates have increasingly made the case that the response to protesters and Brown's death was not just a matter of discrimination but amounted to human rights abuse.

Framing both as human rights issues is an attempt to speak to people's empathy — Charles Wade, a protester and one of the organizers of the Ferguson to Geneva initiative, told VICE News.

"People are starting to understand that people of color often feel that they don't have the same rights as humans, that their humanity isn't being respected," he said. "A person may not have ever seen it that way so they may now think, 'Yeah, all lives do matter, I do care. How can I help?"

The Ferguson to Geneva organizers are not the first to appeal to human rights principles. In a report released last week, Amnesty International made that case in the strongest language yet, when it said that law enforcement's use of rubber bullets, tear gas, and military equipment violated international standards.

The UN delegation is yet another attempt to shift the terms of the conversation on Ferguson, and to appeal for the support of a broader community.

"As we started to think about what the situation was in the larger context, we started to link what's happening in the US in terms of police violence with human rights violations," Wade said. "Our mid- and long term work will be linking what happened in Ferguson and what's happening in other places where there's excessive police violence to the international struggle for human rights."

Wade said he first thought to take Ferguson's fight for justice to the UN after learning of a similar initiative by a group of youth of color in Chicago, who planned to also go to Geneva this fall to denounce their experience as targets of police violence — an initiative they dubbed, "We charge genocide."

Yes, tear gas being used in Ferguson is banned in warfare — but not in war zones. Read more here.


"A lot of us here have been looking for ways to extend the conversation and extend our work outside of just Ferguson, tear gas, and rubber bullets," Wade said. "We asked, what does that really mean, and where does that fit within a larger conversation people can have? Race is a big part of it, it's probably 90 percent of it, but so often people are not seeing what's happening to people of color in this country as human rights violations."

The Ferguson group has been raising funds to sponsor the trip, on November 12 and 13 — but is still short $11,000. In addition to McSpadden and attorney Daryl Parks, Hansford, Wade, and four local activists including Tef Poe will also be going. McSpadden was not immediately available for comment.

Taking the issue to the UN is largely "symbolic," organizers admit.

"It's about taking the conversation to the global community in general," Wade said. "It's for us to show that now even the UN is interested in what's happening in a real small city called Ferguson, and you should be interested as well. You should see this as an issue that isn't just one instance, one police officer, and one man. This is what's happening all over the country."

The point of taking Ferguson's plight to an international forum is not so much to embarrass US officials, Wade said, though Hansford said the group hopes to connect with a delegation of administration officials who will be in Geneva at the same time. "While we're out there it would be great to talk to the US government," he said. "They'll be there, it would be wonderful it they talked to us."

But there's a more practical purpose to the delegation as well — to get the world's eyes back on Ferguson and St. Louis as residents prepare for an imminent grand jury announcement many fear will spark new clashes. Police have also been preparing for likely protests — stocking up on tear gas and riot gear and sending out emergency preparation plans for local schools.

Still scarred from the outsized police response to the summer protests, demonstrators have said they fear more force used against them, and they want to make sure that whatever happens next doesn't go unnoticed.

"They have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on these tools of war, and stockpiling guns," Hansford said. "I think the international community and human rights community should turn their eyes towards Ferguson and see this in a human rights context."

The world's attention, he added, "could very well save some lives." "If it convinces them that the world is going to be watching and they will be held accountable, it could change their behavior and their reaction to protesters," he said.

Law enforcement officials have defended themselves against the accusations of human rights abuse.

"The St. Louis County Police Department and the Unified Command had one mission, and that was the preservation of life," St. Louis Police Sgt. Brian Schellman told VICE News following the Amnesty report, adding that police have been gearing up for more protests. "We are going to be prepared regardless of what the grand jury returns."

'I've never seen anything like what I saw in Ferguson': VICE News speaks with a member of the Amnesty delegation to Missouri. Read more here.

For their part, protesters plan to return to the streets should the grand jury decide not to indict Wilson. But there's a lot more than rallies to the movement for justice they have built in Ferguson, and the UN delegation is just one example of its broadening scope and growing ambitions.

"A lot of people have had this impression that just marching is happening, just demonstrations," Wade said. "That's not the only thing that's been going on."

Source: https://news.vice.com/article/mike-b...e-un-in-geneva


Report on Police Shooting of Michael Brown and Ensuing Police Violence Against Protesters in Ferguson, Missouri : http://www.fergusontogeneva.org/FergusonReport.pdf

If you feel compelled to donate: http://www.fergusontogeneva.org
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I seriously need to entertain moving to Switzerland...free everything necessary to be a self sufficient human being, and they listening to the goings-ons in St. Louis?
 
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