Police Kill Unarmed Teen In Ferguson, Missouri

[phuzzy badpheet]

Blco02 is not a troll. He has been posting and giving an earnest assessment of his views for years. I disagree about some things but I know blco's history to know that he is not conjuring up opinions that are made simply to incite people.


As far as the issue of Obama and race relations is concerned, we should remember that candidate Obama did not say that he would usher in a new era of racial utopia. Some people in the media declared Obama's election to be the beginning of a post racial era in our History, they were wrong obviously.

Also, race relations have always been bad because this country has white supremacy still lurking in its body politic. The situation looks worse than it did 10 or 20 years ago. It has not looked as bad since 1992 when the LA Riots happened. We have to keep in mind that for 16 years, racial tensions were somewhat masked by a pair of Presidents who were conciliatory, in their rhetoric at least.

Bill Clinton had a good rapport with middle class and working class whites and he had a great relationship with black voters. George W. Bush was not beloved by most black people but he was atypical of Republicans who came before our after him. Notice that George W. Bush did not indulge in "makers vs. takers" or "lack of work ethic in the inner city" arguments. In the 2000's, white, conservative America had Muslims and gays and Mexicans as its prime enemies in the culture wars, the "welfare queen" was a bit passe. From 1993 to 2008, there was some what of a slight detente in black-white relations.

This 15 year period of the illusion of calm was bolstered by a concurrent 15 year period of fleeting and hallucinated prosperity. In 2008 and 2009, the mirage utterly vanished. Economic pain and uncertainty were sweeping the Country as Obama got elected and Inaugurated. Economic downturns tend to bring out the fear and tribalism in people, especially among white folks, who saw the American dream vanishing, and as a result, they clung to their white, American identity as a source of pride.

The 2012 elections seemed to have ramped up the level of fear and anxiety among a number of white people. Mitt Romney got a majority of white votes and he still failed to get elected. The 2012 election was a harbinger of future elections where suburban white males and their wives cannot override the wishes of everyone else on election day. The Kings and Queens in their McMansion Castles will have to start making concessions to a younger, darker, gayer, indebted, less religious and unmarried electorate.

In the last quarter century, race relations fundamentally never improved nor deteriorated. Today, things do seem more tense, more "hot," but that is due to reactionary politics on the part of some white people, economic anxiety for every but the elite, demographic shifts. It would be unfair to blame Barack Obama for cultural, economic and demographic forces that are beyond his control.

Great post. 

One of the other things that George W. Bush did while on his initial campaign trail, especially during the debates in 2000, was to admit that police brutality was indeed  a problem.

It happened during the debates which were against Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Alan Keyes, and Orrin Hatch. The question of police brutality was posed, the only Black Republican candidate Alan Keyes stated, "If Black people would follow the law, Black people would not have anything to worry about."

All the other candidates for the republican nomination deflected the question by talking about law, but when Bush answered, he shocked everyone by simply stating, I think it is a problem that we may need to look into.

This was before 9/11, and Rudolf Giuliani was having some serious problems in NYC, siccing the NYC police department on everyone that he claimed to be an enemy. 

Amadou Diallo was killed by Police, and Patrick Dorismond, then with the latter, Giuliani in support of the police department released what he called Dorismond's extensive police record to the public, including his sealed juvenile file.  

That said, with President Obama, the climate was a bit different when he got into office, as the financial situation was far worse than anyone had imagined. He had to, was forced to, deal with that first. That was essential, more than anything else, because without the United States on point in regard to the markets and economy, racial division in this country may have been the powder keg to create another civil war.

I think he has done a marvelous job, considering the circumstances.   

 

[superb]

MIKE BROWN MOM ARRESTED?

http://fox2now.com/2014/10/22/polic...wing-argument-between-brown-family-relatives/

October 24, 2014: Michael Brown's mother was ARRESTED TODAY - for fighting her mother in law. Here is a report from Fox 2 News is St Louis:

It happened Saturday night, October 18th, at about 8:15 pm in the parking lot of Red’s BBQ. It`s the corner of Canfield and West Florissant, just blocks from where Michael Brown was shot and killed.

Police sources tell us Brown`s Grandmother, Pearlie Gordon, along with Brown`s Cousin Tony Petty, were selling t-shirts and other Michael Brown merchandise.

A police report describes a car pulling up and several people getting out. One of those people, was reported to be Michael Brown`s Mom, Lesley McSpadden. A witness described McSpadden yelling ‘You can`t sell this s%$&” One of the relatives, who was selling, reportedly demanded McSpadden show a document proving she had a patent.

 

[Rootin4EverybodyBlack]

Yikes! Family trying to profit off your deceased son. Would've thrown hands too.

 

[dreamer23]

Shaun King
‏@ShaunKing
These so called "leaks" aren't leaks at all. Even the @TheJusticeDept is saying they are a biased attempt to shape public sentiment. Foul.

 

[AEA18]

Shaun King
‏@ShaunKing
These so called "leaks" aren't leaks at all. Even the @TheJusticeDept is saying they are a biased attempt to shape public sentiment. Foul.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Blco02 is not a troll. He has been posting and giving an earnest assessment of his views for years. I disagree about some things but I know blco's history to know that he is not conjuring up opinions that are made simply to incite people.



As far as the issue of Obama and race relations is concerned, we should remember that candidate Obama did not say that he would usher in a new era of racial utopia. Some people in the media declared Obama's election to be the beginning of a post racial era in our History, they were wrong obviously.


Also, race relations have always been bad because this country has white supremacy still lurking in its body politic. The situation looks worse than it did 10 or 20 years ago. It has not looked as bad since 1992 when the LA Riots happened. We have to keep in mind that for 16 years, racial tensions were somewhat masked by a pair of Presidents who were conciliatory, in their rhetoric at least.


Bill Clinton had a good rapport with middle class and working class whites and he had a great relationship with black voters. George W. Bush was not beloved by most black people but he was atypical of Republicans who came before our after him. Notice that George W. Bush did not indulge in "makers vs. takers" or "lack of work ethic in the inner city" arguments. In the 2000's, white, conservative America had Muslims and gays and Mexicans as its prime enemies in the culture wars, the "welfare queen" was a bit passe. From 1993 to 2008, there was some what of a slight detente in black-white relations.


This 15 year period of the illusion of calm was bolstered by a concurrent 15 year period of fleeting and hallucinated prosperity. In 2008 and 2009, the mirage utterly vanished. Economic pain and uncertainty were sweeping the Country as Obama got elected and Inaugurated. Economic downturns tend to bring out the fear and tribalism in people, especially among white folks, who saw the American dream vanishing, and as a result, they clung to their white, American identity as a source of pride.


The 2012 elections seemed to have ramped up the level of fear and anxiety among a number of white people. Mitt Romney got a majority of white votes and he still failed to get elected. The 2012 election was a harbinger of future elections where suburban white males and their wives cannot override the wishes of everyone else on election day. The Kings and Queens in their McMansion Castles will have to start making concessions to a younger, darker, gayer, indebted, less religious and unmarried electorate.


In the last quarter century, race relations fundamentally never improved nor deteriorated. Today, things do seem more tense, more "hot," but that is due to reactionary politics on the part of some white people, economic anxiety for every but the elite, demographic shifts. It would be unfair to blame Barack Obama for cultural, economic and demographic forces that are beyond his control.

Great post. 

One of the other things that George W. Bush did while on his initial campaign trail, especially during the debates in 2000, was to admit that police brutality was indeed a problem.

It happened during the debates which were against Pat Buchanan, Steve Forbes, Alan Keyes, and Orrin Hatch. The question of police brutality was posed, the only Black Republican candidate Alan Keyes stated, "If Black people would follow the law, Black people would not have anything to worry about."

All the other candidates for the republican nomination deflected the question by talking about law, but when Bush answered, he shocked everyone by simply stating, I think it is a problem that we may need to look into.

This was before 9/11, and Rudolf Giuliani was having some serious problems in NYC, siccing the NYC police department on everyone that he claimed to be an enemy. 

Amadou Diallo was killed by Police, and Patrick Dorismond, then with the latter, Giuliani in support of the police department released what he called Dorismond's extensive police record to the public, including his sealed juvenile file.  

That said, with President Obama, the climate was a bit different when he got into office, as the financial situation was far worse than anyone had imagined. He had to, was forced to, deal with that first. That was essential, more than anything else, because without the United States on point in regard to the markets and economy, racial division in this country may have been the powder keg to create another civil war.

I think he has done a marvelous job, considering the circumstances.   

Real talk what has Obama done
I'm a 28 year old black man
And **** has been the same for me before he was elected
We back in Iraq
"Obama care" didn't really effect me cause Ive always had a job with benefits
Can't really think of any law that has been passed by him that's changed anything for me

 

[gamerg]

Real talk what has Obama done
I'm a 28 year old black man
And **** has been the same for me before he was elected
We back in Iraq
"Obama care" didn't really effect me cause Ive always had a job with benefits
Can't really think of any law that has been passed by him that's changed anything for me

and all the health insurance companies did was TAX the hell out of everyone else.. they should have wrote a provision in to prevent unlawful "taxing of prices". Blacks we didnt put much in his campaign so thats why nothing was out there to help black people. LGBT Hispanics they put millions in his capaign thats why they have immagrant laws and now if you call a LGBT a F word you can be charged with a hate crime.

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

Real talk what has Obama done
I'm a 28 year old black man
And **** has been the same for me before he was elected
We back in Iraq
"Obama care" didn't really effect me cause Ive always had a job with benefits
Can't really think of any law that has been passed by him that's changed anything for me

What has he done? Outside of being the first Black President? 

You do realize that the imagery of him sitting in the White House stirs most laws regarding equal rights for all, because now many know that it is possible to get what you want, which scares the hell out of those who still live with privilege in this country. While presiding as a Black man, this is what he has done.

1. Appointed two female supreme court justices.

2. Accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, third President to do so while in office.

3. Health Care reform, that's a pretty big deal, you know? 

4. Ended Iraq combat operations.

5. Repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell".

6. Osama Bin Laden, in case you forgot.

7. The debt crises was taken care of.

8. Unemployment going down.

9. Supports same sex marriage, another big deal.

10. Addressed the Trayvon Martin shooting not only as a Black man, but as a Black father with serious concerns, from the White House I might add.

Image wise, this is huge. 

In regard to what laws have have been changed to affect Black men, people,  the laws did not need to be changed, they simply needed to be enforced.

What we are dealing with now, are people in law enforcement who are not doing their jobs in an objective manner. We probably will never get rid of racist views coming from White people, those in law enforcement in particular, but what can happen is to put them on notice that if you do take matters into your own hands outside of the law, utilizing racial bias as a method of judgement, you will get punished to the fullest extent of the law.

 

[julius wrek]

Let's stick to Ferguson, fellas.

 

[nawghtyhare]

Real talk what has Obama done

I'm a 28 year old black man

And **** has been the same for me before he was elected

We back in Iraq

"Obama care" didn't really effect me cause Ive always had a job with benefits

Can't really think of any law that has been passed by him that's changed anything for me

What has he done? Outside of being the first Black President? 

You do realize that the imagery of him sitting in the White House stirs most laws regarding equal rights for all, because now many know that it is possible to get what you want, which scares the hell out of those who still live with privilege in this country. While presiding as a Black man, this is what he has done.

1. Appointed two female supreme court justices.
2. Accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, third President to do so while in office.
3. Health Care reform, that's a pretty big deal, you know? 
4. Ended Iraq combat operations.
5. Repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell".
6. Osama Bin Laden, in case you forgot.
7. The debt crises was taken care of.
8. Unemployment going down.
9. Supports same sex marriage, another big deal.
10. Addressed the Trayvon Martin shooting not only as a Black man, but as a Black father with serious concerns, from the White House I might add.

Image wise, this is huge. 

In regard to what laws have have been changed to affect Black men, people,  the laws did not need to be changed, they simply needed to be enforced.

What we are dealing with now, are people in law enforcement who are not doing their jobs in an objective manner. We probably will never get rid of racist views coming from White people, those in law enforcement in particular, but what can happen is to put them on notice that if you do take matters into your own hands outside of the law, utilizing racial bias as a method of judgement, you will get punished to the fullest extent of the law.

I said he hadn't really done anything that effects ME
1. So a judge is a judge to me
2. So what peace he bright forth
3. So I have had GREAT jobs that paid for me and my fams medical and dental
4. If u say so
5. So I ain't asking so dont tell me
6.yeah ok as if the U.S. wasn't in league with him anyway we also trained and funded dude and his fam owns property and business here
7. U.S. still seems to be in debt to me check that debt clock bruh
8. Eh I already have a job and have held a job steadily since I was 15
9. I ain't gay so I don't care.......though I have nothing against gay people they have the right to be miserable in marriage as the rest of us
10. How could he not he woulda been called a cornball brotha and the whole 9 if he didn't not saying it was a political move but it woulda been a bad look if he didn't address it

 

[soundview]

 

Real talk what has Obama done
I'm a 28 year old black man
And **** has been the same for me before he was elected
We back in Iraq
"Obama care" didn't really effect me cause Ive always had a job with benefits
Can't really think of any law that has been passed by him that's changed anything for me

What has he done? Outside of being the first Black President? 

You do realize that the imagery of him sitting in the White House stirs most laws regarding equal rights for all, because now many know that it is possible to get what you want, which scares the hell out of those who still live with privilege in this country. While presiding as a Black man, this is what he has done.

1. Appointed two female supreme court justices.

2. Accepted the Nobel Peace Prize, third President to do so while in office.

3. Health Care reform, that's a pretty big deal, you know? 

4. Ended Iraq combat operations.

5. Repeal of "Don't ask, don't tell".

6. Osama Bin Laden, in case you forgot.

7. The debt crises was taken care of.

8. Unemployment going down.

9. Supports same sex marriage, another big deal.

10. Addressed the Trayvon Martin shooting not only as a Black man, but as a Black father with serious concerns, from the White House I might add.

Image wise, this is huge. 

In regard to what laws have have been changed to affect Black men, people,  the laws did not need to be changed, they simply needed to be enforced.

What we are dealing with now, are people in law enforcement who are not doing their jobs in an objective manner. We probably will never get rid of racist views coming from White people, those in law enforcement in particular, but what can happen is to put them on notice that if you do take matters into your own hands outside of the law, utilizing racial bias as a method of judgement, you will get punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Unemployment went down for everyone EXCEPT Blacks since Obama has been in office. 

And there's no proof of Osama. 

But yea, back to Mike Brown.

 

[Humbled]

^

 

[nawghtyhare]

^

See I hate that don't just stone face explain why
Like I said
I feel nothing has changed FOR ME
it could be different for u
Ur probably lesbian who works at a ****** job
With little to no health insurance coverage
Who is trying to marry ur girlfriend who is in the army
For YOU: he changed a lot
ME: not so much

 

[gwap]

nawghtyhare, which president in the past did the most for you, and what did they do exactly?

 

[nawghtyhare]

nawghtyhare, which president in the past did the most for you, and what did they do exactly?

Didn't say any of em did
I just EXPECTED more from someone who sorta looks like me
U feel me
Which was a wrong way of thinking on my part
But u live and learn
But I put money on it
A Hispanic president would have done SOMETHING about immigration and Latinos needs
A homosexual president woulda done something for homosexuals
A Asian woulda made sure Asians flourished
Why the **** can't a black president help us flourish

 

[lightweight champion]

Didn't say any of em did
I just EXPECTED more from someone who sorta looks like me
U feel me
Which was a wrong way of thinking on my part
But u live and learn
But I put money on it
A Hispanic president would have done SOMETHING about immigration and Latinos needs
A homosexual president woulda done something for homosexuals
A Asian woulda made sure Asians flourished
Why the **** can't a black president help us flourish

The president isn't going to help you flourish more than your local elected officials. You want change? Vote for the right local officials.

With that said, let's stay focused on Ferguson guys.

 

[RustyShackleford]

nawghtyhare, which president in the past did the most for you, and what did they do exactly?

Didn't say any of em did
I just EXPECTED more from someone who sorta looks like me
U feel me
Which was a wrong way of thinking on my part
But u live and learn
But I put money on it
A Hispanic president would have done SOMETHING about immigration and Latinos needs
A homosexual president woulda done something for homosexuals
A Asian woulda made sure Asians flourished
Why the **** can't a black president help us flourish

I think part of the problem is that you feel the president is some sort of King.

Obama (and any president for that matter) doesn't have power like that, and for the past 4 years the GOP have block almost all of this agenda. If Obama was working with a cooperative Congress, then that criticism would hold more weight

And what EXACTLY did you want/expect from him anyway? Because I always find it curious that black folk that are on this "Obama done nothing for black people" have a hard time saying what exactly they expect, "things to get better" is a solid answer.

Finally this "Hispanic would take care or Hispanic, Asian for Asian" thing is nonsense. You can't come out and say this "law/program" is only for a certain group. When a program passes, errbody eats.

-I voted for dude twice, I have been disappointed with a lot of the things he has done, some dealing with how he hasn't helped the African American community. But the black fold need to think long and hard when judging Obama, and give genuine constructive criticism.

The "he ain't help me" talk sounds akin to a black dude complaining that the the black owner restaurant didn't "hook a brother up".

At the very least him becoming President and handling himself well should count for something.

Anyway, another time

 

[superb]

Shaun King
‏@ShaunKing
These so called "leaks" aren't leaks at all. Even the @TheJusticeDept is saying they are a biased attempt to shape public sentiment. Foul.

 I knew it was..... I was just thinking  that was the reason for them leaks

 

[dropten]

We all know what the grand jury will decide, and everyone knows it. There are preparations on both sides and many will die.
You guys ready for whats about to happen?

 

[rexanglorum]

There is the hackneyed phrase that a decent prosecutor can "indict a ham sandwich." That sentiment is correct. Normally, a grand jury exists to indict people. The prosecutor will only present evidence that is unfavorable to the suspect, the suspect and the suspect's attorney are not allowed to see what is happening let alone participate. The grand jury is made up of lay people, those who are not lawyers, so the prosecutor "guides" the grand jury by "recommending" charges and invariably the grand jury indicts and they indict on whatever charges the prosecutor recommends.

As we all know, Darren Wilson, got to tell his side of the story, his defense attorneys have been involved in the process and the DA is not recommending any charges for Darren Wilson. This is highly unusual, to say the least.

If a grand jury does not indict, it means that something is wrong. It means one of two things.

It means that the prosecutor is insane or vindictive and had absolutely no evidence. If a prosecutor charged a blind man with shooting someone with a sniper rifle, the grand jury might not indict.

Obviously, there is evidence against Darren Wilson, chiefly a dead man's body that he shoot several times. Therefore, the second scenario is happening. The suspect is a friend of the prosecutor and the prosecutor is not doing his job.

If a grand jury does not indict, it means that the prosecutor was extremely over zealous or he was deliberately throwing his prosecution. Darren Wilson will walk and that alone is proof of corruption because of the way grand juries work.

 

[superb]

^^ we already know Wilson is going to walk..... Man Obama can send that nurse who had Ebola to the white house for a hug but he cannot even confront Brown parents.. Geez

 

[phuzzy badpheet]

 
Let's stick to Ferguson, fellas.

You're right, and apologize to the holders of this thread. I should have saw the distraction coming, as soon as the question of President Obama was posed. Yacub is lurking indeed. 

 

[drones]

I think part of the problem is that you feel the president is some sort of King.

Obama (and any president for that matter) doesn't have power like that, and for the past 4 years the GOP have block almost all of this agenda. If Obama was working with a cooperative Congress, then that criticism would hold more weight

And what EXACTLY did you want/expect from him anyway? Because I always find it curious that black folk that are on this "Obama done nothing for black people" have a hard time saying what exactly they expect, "things to get better" is a solid answer.

Finally this "Hispanic would take care or Hispanic, Asian for Asian" thing is nonsense. You can't come out and say this "law/program" is only for a certain group. When a program passes, errbody eats.

I agree with you that sometimes people overestimate the president's power.  But Obama most definitely has the power to positively affect different groups specifically.  Obama has broken down plenty of barriers for gays, repealing Don't Ask Don't Tell, banning discrimination by sexual orientation by federal contractors, etc.  He's even addressed them as 'his gay brothers and sisters.'  Hispanics came out and voted for the guy heavily and they donated to his campaign so he's had their back on immigration reform....

I say all of that to say that yeah, Obama has looked out for other groups before he's looked out for us and his record proves it.  Even if he can't get anything done,  the least he can do is use the one thing he controls, his voice to speak in support of us.  And he doesn't even do that.  Not a word about Darren Wilson needing to be arrested.  When Henry Louis Gates got that reality check of being arrested for forcing his way into his own house, Obama played the tapdance role and said 'both parties acted stupidly.'  

To me, Obama was just a pawn put in place to further subvert blacks both here and in Africa.   Look how his administration killed Ghadafi who was trying to build the first African satellite and the first African Central Bank.  Look at this ebola bioweapon he's pushing for armed soldiers to 'peacekeep' for.   Look how many of us get smoked by government employees and he can't even address us about it.  Who better to make things worse for blacks than one of their own? 

EDIT - you're right, this is the Ferguson thread.  But I had to speak up on that one.

 

[hand2handking]

Shaun King
‏@ShaunKing
These so called "leaks" aren't leaks at all. Even the @TheJusticeDept is saying they are a biased attempt to shape public sentiment. Foul.

 

[gwap]

 
Obama has looked out for other groups before he's looked out for us and his record proves it.

What things can a President actually do that will only directly affect and benefit the black population?

Which of the things you name did he promise to do?