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lol @ comparing the 2004 pistons to the 2007 pistons
shannon brown would have been the starting pg for the 2006 lakers and he didnt even get playing time on the cavs
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Pippen Says LeBron is "Best Player Ever"
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shannon brown would have been the starting pg for the 2006 lakers and he didnt even get playing time on the cavs
what a clown
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"No player without rings can enter the discussion"
...because?
I say that MJ is the best ever. And it's not because of any of the rings he won with the Chicago Bulls.
...because?
I say that MJ is the best ever. And it's not because of any of the rings he won with the Chicago Bulls.
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"No player without rings can enter the discussion"
...because?
I say that MJ is the best ever. And it's not because of any of the rings he won with the Chicago Bulls.
...because?
I say that MJ is the best ever. And it's not because of any of the rings he won with the Chicago Bulls.
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Apparently there's never been a good player who didn't win a championship.
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Apparently there's never been a good player who didn't win a championship.
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that 2007 cavs roster
bet the Spurs was
when they drew up the game plan for em in the finals............
bet the Spurs was
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that 2007 cavs roster
bet the Spurs was
when they drew up the game plan for em in the finals............
bet the Spurs was
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And you still haven't given a reason for this thinking that hasn't been countered in this thread. It's "You gotta win a ring to be the best ever, because, uh, well...you gotta win a ring! There! Circular logic ftw!"
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And you still haven't given a reason for this thinking that hasn't been countered in this thread. It's "You gotta win a ring to be the best ever, because, uh, well...you gotta win a ring! There! Circular logic ftw!"
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Now that I look at that roster againOriginally Posted by nflowshoe
that 2007 cavs roster
bet the Spurs waswhen they drew up the game plan for em in the finals............
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Now that I look at that roster againOriginally Posted by nflowshoe
that 2007 cavs roster
bet the Spurs waswhen they drew up the game plan for em in the finals............
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1. Of corse Kobe is not in the discussion for greatest of all time. The only 3 players in that discussion are MJ, Kareem & Wilt.Originally Posted by chillainvillain
OnionSlice, you have proved to me that not only are you a Lebron stan, but also a certified Kobe hater.
To say that:
- Kobe is not in the discussion of the greatest of all time
- Kobe being clutch is a "myth"
- That Lebron is better than Kobe (in his prime) at mostly every aspect of the game
- That Kobe rode coattails to win all 5 of his rings
is just crazy. I mean, I'm a Kobe stan, but I will admit that Lebron James is one of the greatest. But everything you're saying is rediculous.
2. Kobe being clutch IS a myth. He misses 68% of his clutch shots. That's an undeniable fact. If you consider shooting that poorly to still be clutch, that's your choice.
3. LeBron IS better than prime Kobe in most aspects of the game. If you take Kobe's best season, Lebron has multiple seasons where he's better in scoring (PPG, FG%), assists, rebounding, steals, blocks, etc... The only things Kobe has the edge on is 3P% and FT%. These are the facts.
4. OK. That statement could be debatable depending on how you look at it. The first 3peat is not debatable. Shaq is the overwhelming reason why that Laker team won those 3 championships. Shaq was the star on that team and Kobe was a star role player. He was Pippen. A Good player and an all star who made his contribution, but clearly the other guy was the main reason they won.
For Kobe's last 2 championships he was the leader of the team. No question about it. Anyone who tries to argue that is a fool. You would HAVE to agree though that Gasol was equally responsible for them winning those 2 championships and in some cases, even more so. Gasol really should have got that 2010 finals MVP, but Kobe was the leader so you could make a case.
Don't get it twisted though, Lebron is not in the discussion either. He has no case whatsoever to be considered the GOAT. The difference though is that he's in roughly the middle of his career. He's just starting to build his legacy. He has all the tools and potential to be that caliber of player. He probably won't, but it's within reason. I think at the end of his career he might be a top 5 player.
Kobe is at the last years of his career. He's pretty much laid down his legacy and we know he's not the best ever. You can make a case as a top 10 player though. You just can't put him up there with MJ, Kareem & Wilt. You would have to put him past Bill Russell, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Etc.... I can't see that.
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1. Of corse Kobe is not in the discussion for greatest of all time. The only 3 players in that discussion are MJ, Kareem & Wilt.Originally Posted by chillainvillain
OnionSlice, you have proved to me that not only are you a Lebron stan, but also a certified Kobe hater.
To say that:
- Kobe is not in the discussion of the greatest of all time
- Kobe being clutch is a "myth"
- That Lebron is better than Kobe (in his prime) at mostly every aspect of the game
- That Kobe rode coattails to win all 5 of his rings
is just crazy. I mean, I'm a Kobe stan, but I will admit that Lebron James is one of the greatest. But everything you're saying is rediculous.
2. Kobe being clutch IS a myth. He misses 68% of his clutch shots. That's an undeniable fact. If you consider shooting that poorly to still be clutch, that's your choice.
3. LeBron IS better than prime Kobe in most aspects of the game. If you take Kobe's best season, Lebron has multiple seasons where he's better in scoring (PPG, FG%), assists, rebounding, steals, blocks, etc... The only things Kobe has the edge on is 3P% and FT%. These are the facts.
4. OK. That statement could be debatable depending on how you look at it. The first 3peat is not debatable. Shaq is the overwhelming reason why that Laker team won those 3 championships. Shaq was the star on that team and Kobe was a star role player. He was Pippen. A Good player and an all star who made his contribution, but clearly the other guy was the main reason they won.
For Kobe's last 2 championships he was the leader of the team. No question about it. Anyone who tries to argue that is a fool. You would HAVE to agree though that Gasol was equally responsible for them winning those 2 championships and in some cases, even more so. Gasol really should have got that 2010 finals MVP, but Kobe was the leader so you could make a case.
Don't get it twisted though, Lebron is not in the discussion either. He has no case whatsoever to be considered the GOAT. The difference though is that he's in roughly the middle of his career. He's just starting to build his legacy. He has all the tools and potential to be that caliber of player. He probably won't, but it's within reason. I think at the end of his career he might be a top 5 player.
Kobe is at the last years of his career. He's pretty much laid down his legacy and we know he's not the best ever. You can make a case as a top 10 player though. You just can't put him up there with MJ, Kareem & Wilt. You would have to put him past Bill Russell, Bird, Magic, Shaq, Etc.... I can't see that.
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