mr marcus
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White privilege
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While this case is most definitely an example of white privilege given the statements by the judge quoted elsewhere. You dilute that argument by making correlations based on extremes. The problem is that you and ScarsOrScabs aren't wrong but you use extremes on the opposite end of the pendulum to support your case simply for the "shock jock effect." ie if this was a poor black kid ...... poor black kids are serving longer sentences for non violent crimes.. etc Which then leads to other posters completely ignoring your valid points and dragging you into a mudfight.
Extremes? Example of a correlation based on an extreme?
Because that example you're saying I made, I didn't. How bout you stick to the script and stop ad-libbing.
Point is black Americans (and not just black Americans, other minorities are subject to disproportional treatment) are incarcerated at a higher rate for non-violent crimes.
Point is this kid walked away scot-free from murder while DUI when people who are first time offenders who didn't hurt ANYONE have served mandatory prison time.
Thats what I've been saying, so how about we stick to that instead of whatever "extremes" you think I'm talking about. I got another word for those "extremes", they're called realities
not sure if serious....
Being a rich white dude.... Isn't dangerous because they can kill someone and get away with it?
What other combination of ethnicity and economic class would this fly with?
Wrong.Oh I don't know... Maybe AA and rich? You've heard of OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis, Jayson Williams (basically).
Bottom line is this is complete BS. Kid should be doing no less than 15 for manslaughter of four people. It's a joke. This does indeed have more to do with class than race, though.
fac3 has been 100% spot on w the posts that I've read.
bro... I don't even have time to go back and forth with you...Oh I don't know... Maybe AA and rich? You've heard of OJ Simpson, Ray Lewis, Jayson Williams (basically).
Bottom line is this is complete BS. Kid should be doing no less than 15 for manslaughter of four people. It's a joke. This does indeed have more to do with class than race, though.
fac3 has been 100% spot on w the posts that I've read.
I meannn if that's an extreme we could use the point that Mike Vick served two years for funding a dog fighting operation... This kid Killed 4 humans himself... Paralyzed another two himself.... and it gonna be on a tropical island in a year chilling as if it's okay
Ok so name a non famous, non entertainer, rich, black person that has gotten off for murder.
Why would I do that? What would that solve? If I did, I would hope that I wouldn't find any results. Why would I want to find results of people (regardless of race) getting off for manslaughter, let alone murder?Ok so name a non famous, non entertainer, rich, black person that has gotten off for murder.
I googled "non famous, non entertainer, rich, black person that has gotten off for murder" and Kanye West was the top result Just thought that was funny.
Why they gotta be non-famous, non-entertainer though?
Ok so name a non famous, non entertainer, rich, black person that has gotten off for murder.
Why would I do that? What would that solve? If I did, I would hope that I wouldn't find any results. Why would I want to find results of people (regardless of race) getting off for manslaughter, let alone murder?
Dude killed four white people, BTW.
I'm at a loss that this punk got off. It's complete ********. But it's about wealth, influence, probably personal connections, and very little (if any) to do with race. I'm done here. There's a reason I stayed out of this thread as long as I did. Carry on.
I meannn if that's an extreme we could use the point that Mike Vick served two years for funding a dog fighting operation... This kid Killed 4 humans himself... Paralyzed another two himself.... and it gonna be on a tropical island in a year chilling as if it's okay
truth.
How daft do you have to be to not realise this is a social and racial issue?
Ok so name a non famous, non entertainer, rich, black person that has gotten off for murder.
they can't
Why would I do that? What would that solve? If I did, I would hope that I wouldn't find any results. Why would I want to find results of people (regardless of race) getting off for manslaughter, let alone murder?
I can't
Dude killed four white people, BTW.
I'm at a loss that this punk got off. It's complete ********. But it's about wealth, influence, probably personal connections, and very little (if any) to do with race. I'm done here. There's a reason I stayed out of this thread as long as I did. Carry on.
I edited this part out of my post to make a bit concise, but in terms of proving a bias furthermore a statistical bias using
white kid (rich, influential parents, part of the power structure/network of the community, close to the top of the societal power hierarchy)
vs
a poor black kid ( no money, no community influence, not part of the societal power hierarchy, and to an extent publicly criminalized w/o actually being a criminal),
When making an argument these two variable sit on opposite extremes, because of this they negate any argument involving them when compared.
You're not wrong in what you state about the justice system, the issue is when you get on your soapbox. This case is a horrible example to make the case of " if this was any other minority," simply because most people gut reaction will be that this is a rich kid getting away with murder ..... not a rich white kid getting away with murder but a rich kid getting away with murder, because of this YOU now have to prove that him being white played a larger role in his sentencing than his parents being rich.
When you use socioeconomic principles or as you state it "realities" that brings the argument back to rich vs poor and not white vs black/brown/yellow/red/blue etc
Even if was rich vs middle class without an example of a middle class white person getting off for a similar crime as the one this thread is about, the argument goes back to being one of socioeconomic principles/bias.
When you attack cases such as this one, first you use an example of another rich minority doing a similarly heinous crime and NOT getting away with it.... (or like stated above a middle class white person committing a similarly heinous crime) .. Only then have you proven race over rules wealth, in which you can now use/correlate your examples of the realities of Black Americans.
For example cases like the Jason Beer one depending on the results are a good starting point. (But I wouldn't use it)
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/11...n-southern-state-crash-that-killed-4-friends/
http://niketalk.com/forums/threads/smilies/
I also understand that you then attempted to add on sentencing for non violent crimes vs violent crimes when it comes to race in which now you're using a red herring.
If you stuck to the DUI part of your original arguments using examples/stats of DUI sentencing based on race ... You would've had a better foundation to stand on, but again most people will point out that their reaction to the verdict of this case is based around "another rich kid getting off" and NOT "another rich white kid getting off" or another "white person" getting off
I'm black if it matters....
|I you know what man you'll never get it. Get some history books and look at how the case racial inequality was argued, how it was brought before the court system. What is the connection between what you state and what this thread is about ........... There is a time and place to get on your soapbox about the US prison industrial complex .. but instead by crying "race" in a topic where most will attack as an issue of wealth while given NO usuable examples of how your cry of race has any correlation to this topic, this situation. You cheapen the arguments of race, when poignant topics of inequality arise
Did you make any connection between white privilege and its connection to the sentencing in this case .................
Did you make any connection of any minority of a similar economic background NOT getting away with a similar crime
Did you make any connection of a middle class white american getting away with a similar crime ...........
So where exactly did you connect the issue of race to this topic .......... oh yeah .. you didn't .. Instead what did you do .. You attempted to shift the focus of the thread entirely .. Where it was no longer a topic of a rich white kid coming as close to getting away with murder while still getting convicted .. but now it's non violent crime sentencing for minorities vs that of one case of a rich white kid getting away with murder while still getting convicted of it ... Oh yeah but when that's not sticking, you throw a couple of articles to further divert attention while proving exactly what about the topic at hand.
I am not denying America still has serious industrialized race issues because it does ... but I know when to pick and choose my battles .. I only hope you learn the same