On September 11th they are going to burn a Koran in NYC (serious)

Originally Posted by Hazeleyed Honey

Originally Posted by In Yo Nostril

yeah we are America, you can practice any religion you want. you can also burn any book you want too even if its not the right thing to do
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But, then where is the limit? When is it acceptable to accept intolerant and prejudice acts that spearhead hate speech against a certain group of individuals? There is a very fine line between freedom of expression and hate speech.
  
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dont really concern myself with limits. if its legal then its allowed even though i dont like it.
 
Carolla brought up a good point today: the same people who said Americans should be allowed to burn the flag are probably the same types who are saying it's wrong to burn the Koran. So which is it? Both are symbols representing a mass of people. If we can't burn Korans, than we can't burn flags. But freedom of speech allows for both. And, think of all the footage we have of people in the Middle East burning pictures of US presidents, and burning flags, etc. Is that not the same thing, essentially?
 
Carolla brought up a good point today: the same people who said Americans should be allowed to burn the flag are probably the same types who are saying it's wrong to burn the Koran. So which is it? Both are symbols representing a mass of people. If we can't burn Korans, than we can't burn flags. But freedom of speech allows for both. And, think of all the footage we have of people in the Middle East burning pictures of US presidents, and burning flags, etc. Is that not the same thing, essentially?
 
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Originally Posted by DubA169

America wasn't founded on Christianity. we don't have a national religion or language. i have no idea where you got that from.





One of the most common statements from the "Religious Right" is that they want this country to "return to the Christian principles on which it was founded". However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
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Yep. This is far from a christian nation yet many believe so. This is what the Illuminati is about for all those people claiming Illuminati is some kind of conspiracy. This is truly a nation where anything goes = chaos. They more We the People buy into this stuff, the deeper and more powerful we make the government. It's all based off of people not knowing their self worth and settling for less. They have become successful in creating a society where we trade nothing or currency. Just each others persuasions. It's a game. We are living out the Illuminist's inceptions as we type/speak. 

Stop "getting money" and learn what the money is. Research the literature of the people's faces on the money. 

[h1]The Wealth of Nations[/h1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations
 
Originally Posted by DubA169

America wasn't founded on Christianity. we don't have a national religion or language. i have no idea where you got that from.





One of the most common statements from the "Religious Right" is that they want this country to "return to the Christian principles on which it was founded". However, a little research into American history will show that this statement is a lie. The men responsible for building the foundation of the United States had little use for Christianity, and many were strongly opposed to it. They were men of The Enlightenment, not men of Christianity. They were Deists who did not believe the bible was true.

When the Founders wrote the nation's Constitution, they specified that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States." (Article 6, section 3) This provision was radical in its day-- giving equal citizenship to believers and non-believers alike. They wanted to ensure that no single religion could make the claim of being the official, national religion, such as England had. Nowhere in the Constitution does it mention religion, except in exclusionary terms. The words "Jesus Christ, Christianity, Bible, and God" are never mentioned in the Constitution-- not once.

The Declaration of Independence gives us important insight into the opinions of the Founding Fathers. Thomas Jefferson wrote that the power of the government is derived from the governed. Up until that time, it was claimed that kings ruled nations by the authority of God. The Declaration was a radical departure from the idea of divine authority.

The 1796 treaty with Tripoli states that the United States was "in no sense founded on the Christian religion" (see below). This was not an idle statement, meant to satisfy muslims-- they believed it and meant it. This treaty was written under the presidency of George Washington and signed under the presidency of John Adams.

None of the Founding Fathers were atheists. Most of the Founders were Deists, which is to say they thought the universe had a creator, but that he does not concern himself with the daily lives of humans, and does not directly communicate with humans, either by revelation or by sacred books. They spoke often of God, (Nature's God or the God of Nature), but this was not the God of the bible. They did not deny that there was a person called Jesus, and praised him for his benevolent teachings, but they flatly denied his divinity. Some people speculate that if Charles Darwin had lived a century earlier, the Founding Fathers would have had a basis for accepting naturalistic origins of life, and they would have been atheists. Most of them were stoutly opposed to the bible, and the teachings of Christianity in particular.
Click to expand...
pimp.gif

Yep. This is far from a christian nation yet many believe so. This is what the Illuminati is about for all those people claiming Illuminati is some kind of conspiracy. This is truly a nation where anything goes = chaos. They more We the People buy into this stuff, the deeper and more powerful we make the government. It's all based off of people not knowing their self worth and settling for less. They have become successful in creating a society where we trade nothing or currency. Just each others persuasions. It's a game. We are living out the Illuminist's inceptions as we type/speak. 

Stop "getting money" and learn what the money is. Research the literature of the people's faces on the money. 

[h1]The Wealth of Nations[/h1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wealth_of_Nations
 
How you gonna say this is far from a Christian nation when the G damn president swears his oath on to the bible. People who don't go to church for 364 days go to church on Easter Sunday. People who don't follow no scriptures dont eat meat on good Fridays. Rappers wear Jesus pieces. Gotta swear on the bible in court.

Catholic , Christian ..... Same feces , different toilet.

The illuminist who founded this country on blood sweat and tears didn't believe in the vaticans version of religon but please believe they had there own way of doing things.

There ain't no non judeochristian holidays celebrated in this country...

People copy and paste feces off the net and think they smart... Go read a book jerk offs
 
How you gonna say this is far from a Christian nation when the G damn president swears his oath on to the bible. People who don't go to church for 364 days go to church on Easter Sunday. People who don't follow no scriptures dont eat meat on good Fridays. Rappers wear Jesus pieces. Gotta swear on the bible in court.

Catholic , Christian ..... Same feces , different toilet.

The illuminist who founded this country on blood sweat and tears didn't believe in the vaticans version of religon but please believe they had there own way of doing things.

There ain't no non judeochristian holidays celebrated in this country...

People copy and paste feces off the net and think they smart... Go read a book jerk offs
 
If people gonna start burning the koran we might as well throw the bible in there and all other religious books in there.
 
If people gonna start burning the koran we might as well throw the bible in there and all other religious books in there.
 
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