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My man, I know we've had our disagreements, and I'm sure we'll still disagree on a lot, but this is really all I've been saying the whole time.
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My man, I know we've had our disagreements, and I'm sure we'll still disagree on a lot, but this is really all I've been saying the whole time.
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One thing I think we can agree on, is some of the discussion about him is totally unwarranted and a result of the fact that both the Ye lovers and Ye haters are so polarized on this topic. It's like there's no middle ground.I go offline for few days....and what happens?
Dude acts even MORE of a fool.
So here we are again, talking about this guy, not because he's done anything of importance, but because of his words. Most of which are centered around himself.
This great "cultural leader of ours".......TYPES ON TWITTER IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!
MDBTF is a great album to me. But "perfect"? Do people actually have a firm grasp on what that means?
As much music as I've listened to, all genres....as much music as I've enjoyed, I've never felt possessed to call an album "perfect".
It's just another indicator of the insanity with which some of this man's fans perceive things. So over the top it's laughable.
Crazy thing is, I have no problem agreeing with Nako or whoever who said he has one of the best catalogs in Hip Hop. He's made a lot of albums and a lot of great music.
I'm not gonna say "Top 3" or "Top 5" or whatever. Jay, Pac, Nas, Outkast. Some NY underground heads might say Mobb Deep or Gang Starr because they never made an album that was disliked by many like 808's and Yeezus seem like they were. I don't do "rankings" because it's all personal preference.
Even moreso if we're talking discography in terms of **** he's produced ("Guess Who's Back" is one of my favorite beats and countless others. "Grammy Family". "Get By" etc.), the man's made a lot of great ******g music.
But I'm a "hater", right?
Nah. I'm just looking at this dude and calling it like I see it. You know..."looking at specifics" n' ****
Great artist. But everything outside of the music is wild lame.Nothing worse than a **** rider my man.Only thing worse then these Ye riders are these old heads ill tell you
And it's why dudes like Jimmy Kimmel who I usually find really funny, can make a wack *** skit, and get major press coverage. And Ye needs to learn to stop spazzing EVERY time a comedian making fun of him makes the news. I know if he had never addressed the Kimmel skit people would have called him sensitive, scared to reply, etc. and I know that's largely because he set the precedent of responding most times before so people expect it now. But there's NO reason I should be seeing a Kimmel skit recapped on the national news (CNN I'm looking at you.)
And I think we can agree with what another, NTer said earlier; whether or not he's done it to himself, it's kind of unfair that a dude will do an interview, not say that much out of the ordinary or wild, and ALL that gets recapped in the "Kanye gives another crazzzzzzyyyy interview" segments is the out of the ordinary **** he said, not the down to earth or even enlightening things.
And they mostly do this to minority entertainers. It's the media's obsession with "look at that crazy Black person!" It's the same **** they used to do to Michael and Tyson when they'd do completely ordinary interviews (don't harp on the Jackson comparison, I'm talking personality and paparazzi wise, not music wise). It's the media searching and then if necessary manufacturing a side show.
At the end of the day, this interview wasn't important enough for people to be talking about it as long as they have. Neither was his NY Times one. It's the media manufacturing a villain out of an easy target, and nothing is easier than an arrogant Black man. It's unfair, and a lot of you buy into it, and you don't see that.
Oh well. IDC.
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See, I don't view you as a "lover". You seem fairly level headed about a lot of this ****. You may view me as a "hater".
I genuinely like, maybe 80% of this man's music. But it's everything around the music I can't rock with. Am I crazy, or does he not do some genuinely unlikeable things?
I'm not going to completely downplay what you're saying about media perceptions of minority entertainers. But how come Jay doesn't get it?
Because he doesn't DO or SAY anything crazy. Except when he stabbed a dude. And he still came out on top.
Come on dude. Mike Tyson bit a dude's ear off. Look at the difference between Mike and Floyd. People may not like Floyd buy EVERYONE does business with Floyd. Because he MADE them.
Mike did some WILD questionable things. Was Prince ever vilified? No. Because Prince kept his cool and STILL sells out every show he does.
Again, there is a lot of perception here. As much as you can say media manufactured a villain out of this interview or the NY Times one, didn't a lot of people rally behind both as well? Isn't that the other side of the argument I've been having in here?
Kanye pics his targets and his times wisely. He'll run up on Taylor Swift. He'll throw shots at Kim's ex boyfriend who don't even rap. He'll twitter rant against a talk show host.
But he'll stay real quiet for a LONG time when Ray J steps WAY over the line. And then hit him with 1 line. I believe a few other rappers have thrown shots.
So if we want want to play a race card the other way, you might be able to if you really want to.....
I genuinely like, maybe 80% of this man's music. But it's everything around the music I can't rock with. Am I crazy, or does he not do some genuinely unlikeable things?
I'm not going to completely downplay what you're saying about media perceptions of minority entertainers. But how come Jay doesn't get it?
Because he doesn't DO or SAY anything crazy. Except when he stabbed a dude. And he still came out on top.
Come on dude. Mike Tyson bit a dude's ear off. Look at the difference between Mike and Floyd. People may not like Floyd buy EVERYONE does business with Floyd. Because he MADE them.
Mike did some WILD questionable things. Was Prince ever vilified? No. Because Prince kept his cool and STILL sells out every show he does.
Again, there is a lot of perception here. As much as you can say media manufactured a villain out of this interview or the NY Times one, didn't a lot of people rally behind both as well? Isn't that the other side of the argument I've been having in here?
Kanye pics his targets and his times wisely. He'll run up on Taylor Swift. He'll throw shots at Kim's ex boyfriend who don't even rap. He'll twitter rant against a talk show host.
But he'll stay real quiet for a LONG time when Ray J steps WAY over the line. And then hit him with 1 line. I believe a few other rappers have thrown shots.
So if we want want to play a race card the other way, you might be able to if you really want to.....
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Same reason you haven't started your own shoe line... It's very easy to make decisions with another person's money.
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This thread has turned into a weekend in the Southside of Chi-raq. My goodness...
Ye' isn't the biggest voice in media, I would give that to... Well damn I can't think of anyone else besides Ye'. Forget what I said, he is the biggest voice in media. The man preaches the damn truth time and time again. He's articulate and can speak with detailed proof and reason within his statements. Discography wise Ye' is at the tippy-top with the greats. Only two sub par albums were 808's and Yeezus. I mean sub-par on a scale for Kanye's abilities. For the rest of the competition they would be pretty good albums compared to the garbage Pop and Hip-Hop put out on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis.
Why do y'all get butt hurt over stating which album is better than the other? We all have had different experiences and opinions of Ye's music and his persona. DUH! We're not always gonna have the same opinion. No need to condemn a man for saying "Yeezus" is a masterpiece. If the man felt like that was his magnum opus then, so be it. He or she is entitled to their own opinion.
"Graduation"/"My Beautiful Dark Twisted" are masterpieces and Yeezus' best pieces of work. Then "Late Registration", then "College Dropout", then "Watch the Throne", then "808's" and then "Yeezus". Best discography in Hip-Hop? I can honestly say, Yes. Not confidently though, but I'm somewhat sure of it. The Game is another cat who's discography should be held to high accord. What's duds does The Game have????
What the heck is paparazzi doin' at one of Yeezus' homes at 4AM!? They really have to start enforcing laws on privacy and invasion. That is freakin' ridiculous. If I was Ye' I would of assaulted one of those cameramen and happily walked into court pleading my case and side. Stickin' bright *** cameras into this mans face and home for America to see at 4AM in the morning!? Aw hell naw'.
Ye's social media and pop cultural impact is not to be messed with. He's a damn rapper and had collabs with THEE LOUIS VUITTON. Do y'all not realize how impossible that is!?
Who has Louis Vuitton collaborated with since their company started?
Nike looks like they'll continue their contract with Ye' and release more Yeezy's every few years due to high demand. Ye' has broken down walls, y'all. We overlook it because of his rants and paparazzi run-ins. This man is at the forefront of hip-hop and is the best artist in the world. (Debatably. Alongside Janelle Monae, Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé.)
Ye' isn't the biggest voice in media, I would give that to... Well damn I can't think of anyone else besides Ye'. Forget what I said, he is the biggest voice in media. The man preaches the damn truth time and time again. He's articulate and can speak with detailed proof and reason within his statements. Discography wise Ye' is at the tippy-top with the greats. Only two sub par albums were 808's and Yeezus. I mean sub-par on a scale for Kanye's abilities. For the rest of the competition they would be pretty good albums compared to the garbage Pop and Hip-Hop put out on a weekly, monthly and yearly basis.
Why do y'all get butt hurt over stating which album is better than the other? We all have had different experiences and opinions of Ye's music and his persona. DUH! We're not always gonna have the same opinion. No need to condemn a man for saying "Yeezus" is a masterpiece. If the man felt like that was his magnum opus then, so be it. He or she is entitled to their own opinion.
"Graduation"/"My Beautiful Dark Twisted" are masterpieces and Yeezus' best pieces of work. Then "Late Registration", then "College Dropout", then "Watch the Throne", then "808's" and then "Yeezus". Best discography in Hip-Hop? I can honestly say, Yes. Not confidently though, but I'm somewhat sure of it. The Game is another cat who's discography should be held to high accord. What's duds does The Game have????
What the heck is paparazzi doin' at one of Yeezus' homes at 4AM!? They really have to start enforcing laws on privacy and invasion. That is freakin' ridiculous. If I was Ye' I would of assaulted one of those cameramen and happily walked into court pleading my case and side. Stickin' bright *** cameras into this mans face and home for America to see at 4AM in the morning!? Aw hell naw'.
Ye's social media and pop cultural impact is not to be messed with. He's a damn rapper and had collabs with THEE LOUIS VUITTON. Do y'all not realize how impossible that is!?
Who has Louis Vuitton collaborated with since their company started? Nike looks like they'll continue their contract with Ye' and release more Yeezy's every few years due to high demand. Ye' has broken down walls, y'all. We overlook it because of his rants and paparazzi run-ins. This man is at the forefront of hip-hop and is the best artist in the world. (Debatably. Alongside Janelle Monae, Lady Gaga, Justin Timberlake, Beyoncé.)
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Does he have the loudest voice? Possibly. More often than not, it's for the wrong reasons. Ego. Shock value. Sensationalism. All of the things "media" thrives on. All that ********.
I could have sworn more people were listening to what Barack Obama has to say, but hey, I could be wrong. He's only the President.
Everything else you said is false. If these are the people rallying around Kanye.....if these are the followers to his cultural "leadership", y'all can have that.
Oh, so he wants to do things the easy way now?
Not all of us have millions in disposable income to put all of these incredible, monumental ideas we have into practice.
I'm still trying to cop a Pastelle T shirt though.....HA!
I just saw the thread in General about Kanye/Jimmy. I wish I'd thrown down a lot of what I did in here in there
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what's worst: being a fan of somebody and defending their work, or running around trying to tell everybody who's a fan why they shouldn't be and how they're delusional for liking them...
i like Kanye...his music has done a lot for me...i've been following his career from the very beginning and have grown with him...all of his albums are the soundtrack to certain periods in my life...
if you don't like his off-the-album antics, why follow them??? why click the links??? i see a lot of dudes in both threads regurgitating the same points...why bother is my question???
dudes literally sitting here like, "i hate Kanye outside of music" then go off to list everything he's done in order...people are obsessed and don't even know it
i like Kanye...his music has done a lot for me...i've been following his career from the very beginning and have grown with him...all of his albums are the soundtrack to certain periods in my life...
if you don't like his off-the-album antics, why follow them??? why click the links??? i see a lot of dudes in both threads regurgitating the same points...why bother is my question???
dudes literally sitting here like, "i hate Kanye outside of music" then go off to list everything he's done in order...people are obsessed and don't even know it
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what's worst: being a fan of somebody and defending their work, or running around trying to tell everybody who's a fan why they shouldn't be and how they're delusional for liking them...
i like Kanye...his music has done a lot for me...i've been following his career from the very beginning and have grown with him...all of his albums are the soundtrack to certain periods in my life...
if you don't like his off-the-album antics, why follow them??? why click the links??? i see a lot of dudes in both threads regurgitating the same points...why bother is my question???
dudes literally sitting here like, "i hate Kanye outside of music" then go off to list everything he's done in order...people are obsessed and don't even know it
All of this!
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what's worst: being a fan of somebody and defending their work, or running around trying to tell everybody who's a fan why they shouldn't be and how they're delusional for liking them...
i like Kanye...his music has done a lot for me...i've been following his career from the very beginning and have grown with him...all of his albums are the soundtrack to certain periods in my life...
if you don't like his off-the-album antics, why follow them??? why click the links??? i see a lot of dudes in both threads regurgitating the same points...why bother is my question???
dudes literally sitting here like, "i hate Kanye outside of music" then go off to list everything he's done in order...people are obsessed and don't even know it
How am I telling you not to be a fan when I'm saying I'm a fan? Again, you guys are so caught up in this, you're not even seeing it for what it is.
I certainly didn't say you shouldn't be a fan. He makes great music. I'm trying to put perspective on him as some great "leader". Something more than a musician, which is what he, and some people in here would make him out to be.
You sound ridiculous with the 2nd half of your argument. It's 2013. I work in music. Am I supposed to live under a rock just to avoid Kanye's foolishness? Am I supposed to not go online? Not go on Niketalk? Not go on Nahright? Not go on Twitter? Just to avoid this dude?
No. You don't even have to be "obsessed" to have news come to you in this day an age. Get real.
I never even said I "hate" him. You said that. You took my words and made them an extreme. So according to you, because I am aware of what an artist, who's music I like, does outside of music, I'm "obsessed". What a ******g joke.
Therein lies the potential "delusion"......
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Oh, so he wants to do things the easy way now?
Not all of us have millions in disposable income to put all of these incredible, monumental ideas we have into practice.
I'm still trying to cop a Pastelle T shirt though.....HA!
I just saw the thread in General about Kanye/Jimmy. I wish I'd thrown down a lot of what I did in here in there
Come on Phil. Haha
You know I'm right. 99% of fashion endeavors, lots of money or not fail. If kanye was pitching leather sweatpants thru pastele how is it any different than bushi? With fendi it could succeed cuz people but anything designers pump out just cuz of clout and brand name. I was gonna tell a personal story about someone I grew up with who's in a billionaire family with a garment industry father who's had her own couture line on hbo shows and worn by celebs and is still losing tons of money but there's no point. You know it's true.
It's also not unreasonable to try to be smart with your money and moves when you now have kids.
It's not about the easy route. We all have dreams but you gotta take the smart steps to accomplish them. Successful rappers start unsuccessful labels everyday. He's trying nt to fail.
You're being mad hard on dude lol
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Repped for the Bushi reference.
Dude is just mad confusing. So much contradiction and hypocrisy. He's both rebelling against the "machine", but wants to be part of the "machine".
"I'm one of the most powerful voices in media"......"but keep those cameras away from me"
Media, music, fashion etc.
I don't claim to know fashion. But the way some people tell it (himself included), dude is an icon and a leader. I would think someone like that would be able to do something on their own and make it work. Are we really to believe he doesn't have the means/resources?
BBC seems to have done alright for the last couple of years (and I'm saying that not knowing anything about their business model or how they produce/distribute).
So has ******g Play Clothes
A lot of what I'm doing in here is playing Devil's Advocate because I find the undeserved idol worship disturbing personally.
Dude is just mad confusing. So much contradiction and hypocrisy. He's both rebelling against the "machine", but wants to be part of the "machine".
"I'm one of the most powerful voices in media"......"but keep those cameras away from me"
Media, music, fashion etc.
I don't claim to know fashion. But the way some people tell it (himself included), dude is an icon and a leader. I would think someone like that would be able to do something on their own and make it work. Are we really to believe he doesn't have the means/resources?
BBC seems to have done alright for the last couple of years (and I'm saying that not knowing anything about their business model or how they produce/distribute).
So has ******g Play Clothes
A lot of what I'm doing in here is playing Devil's Advocate because I find the undeserved idol worship disturbing personally.
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at this thread. There's super stans and super haters and no in between. I posted in this thread earlier but have been lurking post between time and you guys are extreme. Everything kanye said was from an artistic standpoint. From the music to the fashion, its all about his passion and his appreciation for art. He's trying to explain how he has tons of visions that he can't bring to life because of who he is....ahh I could go on but whatever. Just keep this thread a love/hate kanye debate
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I feel like I'm the only person who enjoyed Yeezus front to back. I still can bump every single song on it. 
Most of the raps on it are horrible, I'll admit But I dig the funky production of On Sight, I love the cluster f*** that "I'm In it" is. Blood On the Leaves is and always will be 
And Black Skinhead is my go to song at the gym.
Most of the raps on it are horrible, I'll admit
But I dig the funky production of On Sight, I love the cluster f*** that "I'm In it" is. Blood On the Leaves is and always will be And Black Skinhead is my go to song at the gym.
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funny...i'm online all the time and i never hear or read about Chris Brown, Gaga, Katy Perry news...know why??? because i don't seek it out and don't entertain it when i see their names...you act like Kanye is being forced upon you...you didn't have to watch that interview or read anything surrounding it if you didn't want to...but you did, because you wanted to, and now you're spending (way too much) time talking about somebody who you think is ridiculous...why???
if you can admit that Ye makes great music and has pushed the genre forward musically, how can you not consider him a leader in hip hop, which is what we're talking about...
and i wasn't talking about you specifically, but i guess the shoe fit...
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A hater gon hate. It's what they do. You realizing all this, but not realizing no point will get across
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I go offline for few days....and what happens?
Dude acts even MORE of a fool.
So here we are again, talking about this guy, not because he's done anything of importance, but because of his words. Most of which are centered around himself.
This great "cultural leader of ours".......TYPES ON TWITTER IN ALL CAPS!!!!!!
MDBTF is a great album to me. But "perfect"? Do people actually have a firm grasp on what that means?
As much music as I've listened to, all genres....as much music as I've enjoyed, I've never felt possessed to call an album "perfect".
It's just another indicator of the insanity with which some of this man's fans perceive things. So over the top it's laughable.
Crazy thing is, I have no problem agreeing with Nako or whoever who said he has one of the best catalogs in Hip Hop. He's made a lot of albums and a lot of great music.
I'm not gonna say "Top 3" or "Top 5" or whatever. Jay, Pac, Nas, Outkast. Some NY underground heads might say Mobb Deep or Gang Starr because they never made an album that was disliked by many like 808's and Yeezus seem like they were. I don't do "rankings" because it's all personal preference.
Even moreso if we're talking discography in terms of **** he's produced ("Guess Who's Back" is one of my favorite beats and countless others. "Grammy Family". "Get By" etc.), the man's made a lot of great ******g music.
But I'm a "hater", right?
Nah. I'm just looking at this dude and calling it like I see it. You know..."looking at specifics" n' ****
Great artist. But everything outside of the music is wild lame.
Okay just because the album isn't perfect to you it can't be to others? I'm insane now because I think it's perfect? Give me a break. There are plenty of critics who have hailed the album as perfect as well, not just his fans. I hate to bring up the critic argument but it is what is -- I don't think my opinion of the album is too radical.
And stop saying you're not a hater. All you do is come in this thread to bash the guy then you try say you like his albums like that is some kind of pass. No, you're a hater plain and simple.
Like Epidemik said, you spend way too much time talking about a guy you dislike so much.
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at "perfect" music. You REALLY don't hear how OD that is? OK. Anyone who uses the term "hater" is a cornball to me. Straight up. Learn how to articulate yourselves better. You don't even know what the term really means. Or where it comes from. Some of you sound like broads talking to people that don't like their instagram pics......
Not directed at you Epidemik. Just getting that out of the way.
As for you not talking about me specifically, don't even front. Who else said they rock with Kanye except for what he does outside of music? You playin' games now son and you know it.
That's that delusion you were so quick to speak on. I know more **** about Katy Perry, Gaga, and Chris Brown than I care to. You know why? Because we live in the age of information being at our fingertips.
Are you going to suggest I'm obsessed with all of them? Again, you sound ridiculous. Don't even front like you don't know more about all of these people than you want to because info comes to you in 2013 as opposed to the other way around.
I like how you picked non-rappers as well. Knowing damn well for the most part we're talking about rap/hip-hop here. You guys and your attempts at "arguments" are hysterical.
As I said, I work in music. So maybe that's a part of it. Or maybe you live under a rock in regards to everything that doesn't concern Kanye West.
You can have that too
I know I'm in a Kanye thread, one where it's obviously more about worship than actual discussion. Just look at the thread in General and you can see where this dude REALLY stands.
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Anyone who uses the term "hater" is a cornball to me. Straight up. Learn how to articulate yourselves better. You don't even know what the term really means. Or where it comes from. Some of you sound like broads talking to people that don't like their instagram pics......
Not directed at you Epidemik. Just getting that out of the way.
As for you not talking about me specifically, don't even front. Who else said they rock with Kanye except for what he does outside of music? You playin' games now son and you know it.
That's that delusion you were so quick to speak on. I know more **** about Katy Perry, Gaga, and Chris Brown than I care to. You know why? Because we live in the age of information being at our fingertips.
Are you going to suggest I'm obsessed with all of them? Again, you sound ridiculous. Don't even front like you don't know more about all of these people than you want to because info comes to you in 2013 as opposed to the other way around.
As I said, I work in music. So maybe that's a part of it. Or maybe you live under a rock in regards to everything that doesn't concern Kanye West.
You can have that too
I know I'm in a Kanye thread, one where it's obviously more about worship than actual discussion. Just look at the thread in General and you can see where this dude REALLY stands.
it's the age of information, yet kids couldn't even tell you what's going on in Syria, but know what Rihanna's favorite color is
i don't know **** about what's gong on with Katy Perry, Gaga or Chris Brown because i don't care for them and divert my attention away from them...easy...there's a French Montana thread here somewhere and i never even bothered to click it...why? because i think dude sucks...no need for me to go in there and argue with people who think he's hot...
you could do that too if you really wanted to, but you don't...i like Kanye which is why I don't mnd taking an hour out of my day to watch an interview...why would you waste a minute knowing that you don't care for him outside of an mp3???
does being in the industry mean you have to know what's going on in his life??? are you being bombarded by your peers telling you about his antics??? if what Kanye is doing is making such a splash that you can't even manage to avoid it, then how could you deny his impact on the industry??? A lot of artist do wild **** that's not being talked about all over national television...there's a reason he's the topic of discussion and it's not just because of his fans in the Music forum on NT
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An hour? Read a book son.
Comparing Pop culture with world affairs? Brilliant. And yes, I even know more about Syria than I care to.
I spell it out and you still can't absorb it. I've already said WHY he's a topic of discussion. And it certainly isn't always because he does or says anything remotely positive or revolutionary.
Step your reading comprehension up.
It isn't always because of his music. Or the incredible impact he has on "the industry".
You mean like not promoting his record and selling less than all his other albums. Til' he realized he had to start promoting again?
It's cool to like dude but at least show me you're AWARE of what's in front of you.
Really? Comparing French and Kanye? OK. Pretty much like every other piss poor comparison you've made in this thread.
I see the type out here that see this man as a "leader"......
Read a book son. Comparing Pop culture with world affairs? Brilliant. And yes, I even know more about Syria than I care to.
I spell it out and you still can't absorb it. I've already said WHY he's a topic of discussion. And it certainly isn't always because he does or says anything remotely positive or revolutionary.
Step your reading comprehension up.
It isn't always because of his music. Or the incredible impact he has on "the industry".
You mean like not promoting his record and selling less than all his other albums. Til' he realized he had to start promoting again?
It's cool to like dude but at least show me you're AWARE of what's in front of you.
Really? Comparing French and Kanye? OK. Pretty much like every other piss poor comparison you've made in this thread.
I see the type out here that see this man as a "leader"......
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so instead of addressing the sentiments, you wanna segue into what i'm comparing to what, again...
doesn't matter, you don't like Kanye, that's your right...you wanna spend your precious time trying to teach these youngin's why he's so delusional, go right ahead...
i like Ye...his music is dope, his performances are amazing and his off-record antics are entertaining at times...fight me
i don't look to Kanye to be "revolutionary"...i don't look to any entertainer to be...i look to them to do their jobs, and Kanye does a damn good job at it...
he doesn't need to be speaking about the water crisis in Africa and Brazil for me to consider him a cultural lead in music...he just needs to make great music, which he does...when all is said and done, he'll be considered an icon in music, which is all that matter...you're paragraphs wont change that...
doesn't matter, you don't like Kanye, that's your right...you wanna spend your precious time trying to teach these youngin's why he's so delusional, go right ahead...
i like Ye...his music is dope, his performances are amazing and his off-record antics are entertaining at times...fight me
i don't look to Kanye to be "revolutionary"...i don't look to any entertainer to be...i look to them to do their jobs, and Kanye does a damn good job at it...
he doesn't need to be speaking about the water crisis in Africa and Brazil for me to consider him a cultural lead in music...he just needs to make great music, which he does...when all is said and done, he'll be considered an icon in music, which is all that matter...you're paragraphs wont change that...
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There is a difference between a cultural, social and political leader... In the black community Kanye is without a doubt a cultural leader
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All these paragraphs for nothing, neither side is interested in changing their opinion on Kanye, y'all just ******** up the thread with a bunch of nonsense. Especially those trying argue against Ye's influence IN A KANYE THREAD, like come on. Nobody in here cares if you don't like him, don't view him as a leader of "culture" or don't think his discography is as great as touted. It's sad that dudes even feel the need to continuously try to argue their own opinions so hard that they can't even be objective enough to see how stupid this all is. Art is subjective, bottom line, so trying to argue against another persons experience/opinion of art is really the most asinine thing you could do, no matter how well you write it.
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Does he have the loudest voice? Possibly. More often than not, it's for the wrong reasons. Ego. Shock value. Sensationalism. All of the things "media" thrives on. All that ********.
I could have sworn more people were listening to what Barack Obama has to say, but hey, I could be wrong. He's only the President.
Everything else you said is false. If these are the people rallying around Kanye.....if these are the followers to his cultural "leadership", y'all can have that.
Oh, so he wants to do things the easy way now?
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I avoided saying Barack because I don't consider him media/celebrity. He was the first person that initially cane to my mind though.
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Since i'm not gonna get in on an opinion based argument (the discography) i'll answer this.
What are these smaller businesses that you speak of? especially in regards to high fashion... kanye isn't trying to start a boutique or a ******g streetwear company he legitimately wants to start a corporate empire similar to what an LV, Gucci, Versace etc etc has started. In order to do that you need backing from really wealthy people in that industry.
Not only to make the clothes, you have to pay to promote the clothes, fashion shows, publications, storefronts, hiring the correct design teams etc etc. I don't know if you are even into fashion like that but in order to make it to the status that those before mentioned brands have it's gonna take a whole lot more than that 50 million that Ye has.
That's like asking why doesn't Multi millionaire Jay start his own distribution company, why doesn't Millionaire MJ start his own league, these industries are set up in a fashion where no matter where you go the heads of that industry are Almost exclusively older Europeans with BILLIONS of dollars and unlimited pull in said industry. It takes more than just a few ideas and laughable money (in there eyes) to completely change a system that has been building for 50+ years.
