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IIRC he also was talking about sticking it to teirra marie (sp) who had that hot single at the time that jay did an intro for
OFFICIAL Ye fka "kanYe West" x G.O.O.D. Music Thread - ¥$ (AKA YE X TY DOLLA SIGN) - VULTURES 2 (NOW AVAILABLE sorta)
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co-sign. it was awful when mos def tries it almost 10 yrs ago.. its awful now. after cruel summer he's dropped 2 duds in a row.
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I feel like Cudi was a big influence on the album.
yeeupp
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Black Skinhead for some reason reminded me of cudi
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Listen man...
Jay was at Kanye's birthday party the night before he performed Yeezus for the first time at Govs Ball.
Jay was at the open air listening party in manhattan.
Kanye recorded damn near 70+ songs for this album (hence the WTT2 and Cruel Winter rumors, and Rick Rubin saying he had 3 1/2 hours worth of music that they cut down to 40 minutes.)
Jay wasn't on the album because whatever he did with Ye didn't fit the final concept they had. Same with MCHG. Timbaland said he did a whole album's worth of work. People were reporting Ye and Jay were in the studio months ago. Raekwon said last week he was on the album (that track is nowhere to be seen.) Sometimes stuff doesn't make the final cut.
There's no conflict. No mas reaching.
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Naw..
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And to emphasize, the stop reaching thing:
Guru said that Kanye was the one that came up with the idea/concept for Death of Autotune. They were in the studio and heard a soulja boy song where he was abusing autotune and kanye was like ok time to kill this whole thing and told Jay he had to make the song.
No mas.
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Lupe.
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I mean, his Diamonds remix verse might be verse of the year right now though. Objectively. So I think there's some historical reinvention and willful amnesia here.
Ye couldn't hold together a 16 without Cons? Cons has been gone for years now. Ye hasn't had a good verse since? And Cons didn't write every Ye verse on those first two albums.
And I mean... to say Ye got help from Consequence and Rhymefest when he first came out is sort of an impotent insult, because he's a better rapper than his ghostwriters...
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Everybody knows Jay doesn't give a damn about Cole 
And I'm confused... so Wale sold more than Kanye? I think you mean he sold half as much.... yeah Wale's debut sold more than Kanye second week... but you guys make it sound like he completely outsold him... FOH with that talk.
And again, I know most of you hate the album, but to say there's no concept behind it... REALLY?!?!
There's more of a concept behind it then there is behind MCHG.... but again, to each their own.
And I'm confused... so Wale sold more than Kanye? I think you mean he sold half as much.... yeah Wale's debut sold more than Kanye second week... but you guys make it sound like he completely outsold him... FOH with that talk.
And again, I know most of you hate the album, but to say there's no concept behind it... REALLY?!?!
There's more of a concept behind it then there is behind MCHG.... but again, to each their own.
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Album has grown on me, I'd give it a solid 8/10.
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Jay and 'ye are losing their touch for the current moment. It's hard not to get gassed up and put anything on wax when you know regardless its gonna sell. They're making music they like while at the same taking one finger off the pulse they once had on hip hop. Just let em enjoy themselves for a while. They'll get back to making music that makes sense
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How does Kanye not deserve the benefit of the doubt? He has delivered multiple classic albums over the past 10 years. If anyone in the game deserves the benefit of the doubt it's him.
By even saying that, you're bending over and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Its like you're subconsciously in denial about dude failing.
And he does not have a better track record than Jay. Stop acting like you don't know the numbers man
Dude has had now 12 number 1 abums... If we're talking about the music? C'mon... Stop acting like just because Kanye USED to make his own beats that musically he is better. Dude couldn't even hold together a solid 16 without Cons and them. And I'm a Ye fan.
Kanye ain't even a top 10 rapper. Dude is too busy trying to be Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson. And he ain't even close.
But his fans will tell you otherwise (of course)
Someone always trying to make Kanye out to be some sort of genius or something
At one point Kanye was the underdog. Dude stirred up so much media when he dropped the same day as 50. How you go from outselling one of the biggest names in hip hop history, to being outsold by Wale and J cole?
Kanye is either crossing over for good with this album, or he's just going to be one of those artists that try to make a "comeback" if this **** doesn't work out at this point.
If Lebron James has an off game, is it "bending over" to assume that he will play better the next game? That's what you're saying right now.
And you're really gonna bring up sales? Nickelback has sold 30 million albums, sales don't mean anything in this discussion. Kanye West makes better music than Jay-Z. He has a better track record of classic albums, despite Jay having twice as many releases. We're talking about a guy who said himself that he sold out his musical integrity to sell more records. Young Guru said in an interview that they half-assed a lot of Jay's albums and only like every other one was quality. Young Guru said this himself, not a critic or someone who hates Jay.
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...i know you didn't mean this.
"voices in my head, i need choices in my bed
aaaahhhh: get out my f***** head"
?!
"its just me and my bad b****, ugh, so you could say i'm on my Brad Pitt"
that's easily one of the worst verses this dude has ever spit
& it's apparent he tried to do that without the help of ghostwriters
just like much of the bull he's been spitting lately.
you giving wild neck right now.
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I can't be in these threads anymore. So much hate for no reason.
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How does Kanye not deserve the benefit of the doubt? He has delivered multiple classic albums over the past 10 years. If anyone in the game deserves the benefit of the doubt it's him.
By even saying that, you're bending over and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Its like you're subconsciously in denial about dude failing.
And he does not have a better track record than Jay. Stop acting like you don't know the numbers man
Dude has had now 12 number 1 abums... If we're talking about the music? C'mon... Stop acting like just because Kanye USED to make his own beats that musically he is better. Dude couldn't even hold together a solid 16 without Cons and them. And I'm a Ye fan.
Kanye ain't even a top 10 rapper. Dude is too busy trying to be Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson. And he ain't even close.
But his fans will tell you otherwise (of course)
Someone always trying to make Kanye out to be some sort of genius or something
At one point Kanye was the underdog. Dude stirred up so much media when he dropped the same day as 50. How you go from outselling one of the biggest names in hip hop history, to being outsold by Wale and J cole?
Kanye is either crossing over for good with this album, or he's just going to be one of those artists that try to make a "comeback" if this **** doesn't work out at this point.
If Lebron James has an off game, is it "bending over" to assume that he will play better the next game? That's what you're saying right now.
And you're really gonna bring up sales? Nickelback has sold 30 million albums, sales don't mean anything in this discussion. Kanye West makes better music than Jay-Z. He has a better track record of classic albums, despite Jay having twice as many releases. We're talking about a guy who said himself that he sold out his musical integrity to sell more records. Young Guru said in an interview that they half-assed a lot of Jay's albums and only like every other one was quality. Young Guru said this himself, not a critic or someone who hates Jay.
Name Kanyes classic albums and ill name Jay-Z's....
If Lebron has an off game then you're right. But when has an album been the equivalent of an off game? An album is the equivalent of a season. Would you give him the benefit of the doubt if Miami went 20-62?
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Kanye's classics - College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, 808's, MBDTF
Jay - Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, Blueprint, American Gangster.
Jay's batting average is a LOT lower than Kanye's.
Jay - Reasonable Doubt, Black Album, Blueprint, American Gangster.
Jay's batting average is a LOT lower than Kanye's.
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Kanye's catalog > Jay's
Every solo ye' album is considered a classic. I've heard tons of people make a argument for each with the least being 808s. Not so much for Jay.Of course that's bound to happen when jay has put out twice as many albums as ye. Better flat out rapper is jay though. Kanye makes better music though. With that being said though MCHG > Yeezus even though both are great to me.
Every solo ye' album is considered a classic. I've heard tons of people make a argument for each with the least being 808s. Not so much for Jay.Of course that's bound to happen when jay has put out twice as many albums as ye. Better flat out rapper is jay though. Kanye makes better music though. With that being said though MCHG > Yeezus even though both are great to me.
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Kanye's classics? As far as hip hop goes, College Dropout, Late Registration, Graduation, MBDTF. That's 4/6. And the albums I bolded were considered transcendent classics of all popular music in general (listed on Rolling Stone's 500 greatest albums of all time). For what it's worth, Jay-Z had two albums on the list - RD and Blueprint. Of course, those are just based off people's opinions so it's taken with a grain of salt.How does Kanye not deserve the benefit of the doubt? He has delivered multiple classic albums over the past 10 years. If anyone in the game deserves the benefit of the doubt it's him.
By even saying that, you're bending over and giving him the benefit of the doubt.
Its like you're subconsciously in denial about dude failing.
And he does not have a better track record than Jay. Stop acting like you don't know the numbers man
Dude has had now 12 number 1 abums... If we're talking about the music? C'mon... Stop acting like just because Kanye USED to make his own beats that musically he is better. Dude couldn't even hold together a solid 16 without Cons and them. And I'm a Ye fan.
Kanye ain't even a top 10 rapper. Dude is too busy trying to be Kurt Cobain or Michael Jackson. And he ain't even close.
But his fans will tell you otherwise (of course)
Someone always trying to make Kanye out to be some sort of genius or something
At one point Kanye was the underdog. Dude stirred up so much media when he dropped the same day as 50. How you go from outselling one of the biggest names in hip hop history, to being outsold by Wale and J cole?
Kanye is either crossing over for good with this album, or he's just going to be one of those artists that try to make a "comeback" if this **** doesn't work out at this point.
If Lebron James has an off game, is it "bending over" to assume that he will play better the next game? That's what you're saying right now.
And you're really gonna bring up sales? Nickelback has sold 30 million albums, sales don't mean anything in this discussion. Kanye West makes better music than Jay-Z. He has a better track record of classic albums, despite Jay having twice as many releases. We're talking about a guy who said himself that he sold out his musical integrity to sell more records. Young Guru said in an interview that they half-assed a lot of Jay's albums and only like every other one was quality. Young Guru said this himself, not a critic or someone who hates Jay.
Name Kanyes classic albums and ill name Jay-Z's....
If Lebron has an off game then you're right. But when has an album been the equivalent of an off game? An album is the equivalent of a season. Would you give him the benefit of the doubt if Miami went 20-62?
And you're right, an album probably isn't equivalent to an off game. I'll say it's equivalent to an poor playoff performance though. Yeezus wasn't some long extensive project, it was pretty much rushed while Kanye was in a certain headspace. Similar to a playoff series, just like in 2011 when Lebron was in the wrong headspace vs the Mavs and played poorly. He got his mind right, came back, and delivered the following postseason like people expected him to. Kanye may not have won the "championship" with this album, but he's won with multiple albums before so I'm going to continue to give him the benefit of the doubt until further notice.
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How do you figure Kanye is 4/7 when he has 6 solo albums? Cruel Summer doesn't count at all.
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People throw the word classic around way too easily
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Graduation, 808s, and MBDTF are classics?
I'm out.
I'm out.
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^You're right, meant 4/6 my bad
Uhh if you don't think MBDTF is a classic, then yeah... it's probably best that you stop posting in the Kanye thread. PeaceGraduation, 808s, and MBDTF are classics?
I'm out.
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Graduation, 808s, and MBDTF are classics?
I'm out.
I'm saying
Only classic album he has is LR. MBDTF isn't even close
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