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**Official USMNT Soccer Thread**
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Serious question, had anyone seen any improvement from this current team vs the Bob Bradley teams? I like that he is bringing players like Castillo and Ventura in, but I haven't seen anything from them to give me optimism
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both Bradley and Klinsmann led teams are trash. They both put in a good performance once in a while to give you hope, and then they revert to either forgetting how to pass,parking the bus, or being wasteful as $!@! . I won't blame the managers alone; in recent years pretty much every US player besides Dempsey has been inconsistent, and now even he's slowly falling off with age, so I have no idea who is going to score goals for us and save this trash team going forward 
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Nothing to worry about guys. Klinsmann was just picking a formation, players names and positions out of a hat to make up yesterday starting xi. He's such a jokester......
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Under Bradley we at least consistently had a game plan to follow and the players were usually all on the same page
Under Jürgen more and more the growing disconnect seems to be as apparent as ever
Under Jürgen more and more the growing disconnect seems to be as apparent as ever
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@ussoccer @J_Klinsmann has added @gzusi & @cpulisic_10 to the #USMNT roster for Tuesday's qualifier: http://ussoc.cr/1pRELlI
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Even if that's true, Jürgen with his "growing disconnect" is still putting up similar results as Bradley with his "game plan"
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Yeah I'm about over this Jurgen experiment. I know the US doesn't have the talent that a lot of other nations have, but too often the US is getting washed by teams that we should beat. I appreciate the work Jurgen has done, but it really seems like he's done the best he could by simply surviving the group stages of the 2014 cup. At this rate, I wouldn't even count on making the next one.
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yay Pulisic is gonna make his debut, probably in goal
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Sensational
Always wondered who trapt CR...haha
And ppl have the nerve to say he's selfish
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I'm pretty sure she was just a waitress that he had a one night stand with. There were DNA tests and other things that reportedly happened as he didnt believe he was the father. It happened during Real's USA tour.
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^Yea that's the first I've heard of a surrogate. Always heard the mother was a random woman from Florida and Ronaldo somehow got custody.
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That surrogate stuff just sounds like great PR, especially since people seem to believe it.
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People are quick to jump on Jurgen whenever the US loses because they were promised a higher level of football & that promise hasn’t been fulfilled yet.
Guess what? The lack of technical ability in US players compared to other countries is still the main culprit. This loss & a lot of the others post WC are on the players… We US citizens have been drinking the propaganda that we should be the best at everything we do but with at least footy, we’re not even close to being a consistent competitive team in international play as we’d like & it all boils down to the ability of the players we put out.
Look at how MLS teams got washed in the CONCACAF CL earlier this year. I mean our teams got absolutely smoked by LIGA MX teams. Jurgen might be guilty of tactical errors with formations & not making changes to game plans when things go south, but it all boils down to the players & their heart.
MLS play is still crap bottom line. I watch a lot of college footy given the University of MD has such a great program & MLS play is not that much better (if at all) than NCAA footy.
I love Deuce (he’s a fellow Texan) but homey is way past his prime & he spent too much time on the ground mostly doing his best Cristiano impersonation trying to get calls. For someone who grew up playing more with Latino/Hispanic players, he seemed very unaware how chippy the game would be in Guatemala. It’s comical now the way he expects to automatically get fouls called as if he’s some world class player. Homey, you came home to cash in & because you we tired of being a small fish in a big pond. No one across the pond cared you were Deuce & you didn't like that.
And big head Bradley? I loved the guy but he’s waaay past his prime. If it weren’t for his big shiny head, I would forget he’s in a game because he’s just so ghost most of the time. Watching him play in Toronto is really sad. I can’t understand how the brass are watching this guy play in Toronto & continue to pay him the amount of money he’s getting.
Edit - Its funny, Klinsman proly should've had Bradley playing the holding role & Mix in front of him. I like Mix, but maybe he shouldn't get some call ups anymore but that's another conversation. I also wonder why my boy Beckerman didn't get any consideration. Aside from a few meh performances here & there he's been pretty solid as a defensive mid for the USMNT...
Don’t get me started on Omar… Dude is a f**k t*ard. He is so unaware of how to play the position, it’s comical. He hasn’t grown as a player since his rookie year. He’s the biggest oaf I’ve seen don a US shirt ever.
Geoff Cameron was the only stand out player against Guatemala & it’s no coincidence he plays abroad (even if it's the crappy prem)
The biggest issue I see is the tactical intelligence US players lack & that largely stems from their football schooling here in the US. We treat athletics that bigger, stronger, faster is the key & in football, that’s not always going to help. Just look at the Prem . They can’t buy a win in the CL or EL because they try to bully team defensively & their tactics are simply get the ball out wide & lob the ball in the final third.
I see it in youth soccer all the time watching teams play when my 12 year old has games. Kids aren’t being taught how to read games. They have no idea what roles their positions need to play. I hear stupidly from coaches that players should know how to play all positions on the field. Kids really don’t understand the various formations & what they’re designed to do. Coaches don’t even change formations if the current game plan isn’t working (not that the kids would understand the change).
The US is light years away from what Klinsmann has promised & that’s not his fault. It’s the fault of us stupid effing Americans. If you want to blame anyone, blame those sorry *** players donning the US kits that took the pitch over the weekend. Outside of Cameron, they showed no heart & no willingness to want to win the game.
Edit - The effort shown against Guatemala was so bad, no one that took the pitch that night except for Cameron should ever be allowed to don the US kit ever again. Kudos to Guatemala & that keeper for an outstanding job from beginning to the end. They showed class & heart.
Guess what? The lack of technical ability in US players compared to other countries is still the main culprit. This loss & a lot of the others post WC are on the players… We US citizens have been drinking the propaganda that we should be the best at everything we do but with at least footy, we’re not even close to being a consistent competitive team in international play as we’d like & it all boils down to the ability of the players we put out.
Look at how MLS teams got washed in the CONCACAF CL earlier this year. I mean our teams got absolutely smoked by LIGA MX teams. Jurgen might be guilty of tactical errors with formations & not making changes to game plans when things go south, but it all boils down to the players & their heart.
MLS play is still crap bottom line. I watch a lot of college footy given the University of MD has such a great program & MLS play is not that much better (if at all) than NCAA footy.
I love Deuce (he’s a fellow Texan) but homey is way past his prime & he spent too much time on the ground mostly doing his best Cristiano impersonation trying to get calls. For someone who grew up playing more with Latino/Hispanic players, he seemed very unaware how chippy the game would be in Guatemala. It’s comical now the way he expects to automatically get fouls called as if he’s some world class player. Homey, you came home to cash in & because you we tired of being a small fish in a big pond. No one across the pond cared you were Deuce & you didn't like that.
And big head Bradley? I loved the guy but he’s waaay past his prime. If it weren’t for his big shiny head, I would forget he’s in a game because he’s just so ghost most of the time. Watching him play in Toronto is really sad. I can’t understand how the brass are watching this guy play in Toronto & continue to pay him the amount of money he’s getting.
Edit - Its funny, Klinsman proly should've had Bradley playing the holding role & Mix in front of him. I like Mix, but maybe he shouldn't get some call ups anymore but that's another conversation. I also wonder why my boy Beckerman didn't get any consideration. Aside from a few meh performances here & there he's been pretty solid as a defensive mid for the USMNT...
Don’t get me started on Omar… Dude is a f**k t*ard. He is so unaware of how to play the position, it’s comical. He hasn’t grown as a player since his rookie year. He’s the biggest oaf I’ve seen don a US shirt ever.
Geoff Cameron was the only stand out player against Guatemala & it’s no coincidence he plays abroad (even if it's the crappy prem)
The biggest issue I see is the tactical intelligence US players lack & that largely stems from their football schooling here in the US. We treat athletics that bigger, stronger, faster is the key & in football, that’s not always going to help. Just look at the Prem . They can’t buy a win in the CL or EL because they try to bully team defensively & their tactics are simply get the ball out wide & lob the ball in the final third.
I see it in youth soccer all the time watching teams play when my 12 year old has games. Kids aren’t being taught how to read games. They have no idea what roles their positions need to play. I hear stupidly from coaches that players should know how to play all positions on the field. Kids really don’t understand the various formations & what they’re designed to do. Coaches don’t even change formations if the current game plan isn’t working (not that the kids would understand the change).
The US is light years away from what Klinsmann has promised & that’s not his fault. It’s the fault of us stupid effing Americans. If you want to blame anyone, blame those sorry *** players donning the US kits that took the pitch over the weekend. Outside of Cameron, they showed no heart & no willingness to want to win the game.
Edit - The effort shown against Guatemala was so bad, no one that took the pitch that night except for Cameron should ever be allowed to don the US kit ever again. Kudos to Guatemala & that keeper for an outstanding job from beginning to the end. They showed class & heart.
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PSK, your example of coaches making players play in every position instead of focusing on their strengths is the reason I quit playing when I was younger. I'm not saying that I would've become a professional player or something, but I was a decent left back that my coach frequently played out of position because of me being smaller than the average American defender, even though there are/have been plenty of world class left/right backs that are my height or shorter in big clubs all over Europe (I'm 5'8 ). It was so damn frustrating to be put in as an attacking midfielder that couldn't pass when the only thing I was good at was harassing wingers and forwards
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PSK, I salute you sir. I agree with everything in your post. The one thing i do put on Klinsy is the experimental testing he does with players being played out of position. I mean that what friendly games are for, but not in WC qualifying. He should stick to one line-up and if at all, he has injuries or players not available, maybe tweek it somewhat, but he goes overboard.
We need to win this game tonight. If we dont, I expect Klinsy to turn in his resignation.
LET GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDER-23 AND MNT!
We need to win this game tonight. If we dont, I expect Klinsy to turn in his resignation.
LET GO USA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! UNDER-23 AND MNT!
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PSK, your example of coaches making players play in every position instead of focusing on their strengths is the reason I quit playing when I was younger. I'm not saying that I would've become a professional player or something, but I was a decent left back that my coach frequently played out of position because of me being smaller than the average American defender, even though there are/have been plenty of world class left/right backs that are my height or shorter in big clubs all over Europe (I'm 5'8 ). It was so damn frustrating to be put in as an attacking midfielder that couldn't pass when the only thing I was good at was harassing wingers and forwards
I watched my son's coach put this kid whose a natural striker playing him on the wing. He kept getting lost in the sauce on the outskirts & ended up coughing up the ball almost every time. Several times this kid got pushed centrally & everytime he went head on at the goal, we had a best chances to score.
I agree with the issue with experimentation. Bedoya is having a great club season for Nantes playing central midfield but he got put left. Cameron plays CB & can also play CDM but Klinsmann played him at RB. Yedlin is a RB thru & thru but Klinmanns keep putting him at right MF... I get that but those guys should've been able to hold their own like Cameron did if they had the tactical nous.
The larger question is if Klinsmann happens to get fired, who take over? I'd like to see a name outta left field like Marcelo Bielsa... Maybe even Juanma Lillo. After all, Pep went to Liga MX to learn from him & used to follow Lillo around with a notebook... If you want to make the safe choice maybe Sporting KC's Peter Vermes, Caleb Porter, or possibly Jason Kreis...
Honestly, I think Klinsmann should stay through his contract though.
Edit - I don't trust a US coach to lead the US team right now so I would not like to see Peter Vermes or Jason Kreis hired should Klinsmann get fired. I just named them because they were safe choices. The only American coach I'd trust is Porter but I don't think he'd take the job at this juncture of his life.
Edit pt II - I would love to see what Lillo could do with the US side... I love his insights because he's kind of a maverick kinda like a Spanish footy Phil Jackson... Here are some examples translated... He's got his football managerial education coaching in La Liga & Liga MX & is currently on Chile's staff as an assistant to Pizzi. He's a very forward thinking manager but would be a way outside the box choice.
- "The closer you get to the goal, the further you get from a goal."
- "What would I have been if I hadn't dedicated myself to football? You are asking me to tell what I would have been if I couldn't have been what I wanted to be."
- "The things that are valuable don't have a price, and the things that have a price don't have a value."
- "A human being is no more than an entity placed in time. We are not more than time, and if you tell me that you're leaving, and then don't leave, you're stealing from me that which most belongs to me, my time."
- "That Cristiano Ronaldo could be a symbol for society shows that something is not working."
- It is now much more important in football what happens from Monday to Friday. What happens on Sunday matters less every time."
- "The garnish has eaten the steak" - talking about the evolution of football
- "Whoever knows only football doesn't even know anything about football."
- "Football is not an island, it is an continent."
- "I understand clearly why coaches are fired: for losing. I still don't understand why we are hired. It is a mystery like that of Coca Cola."
- "Having something be done well, but end poorly, through an act of fate, this can happen. Doing things well is good. Doing things well is not bad. Can things go poorly for you? Sure, it is an act of fate. But there are also people who do things poorly and have them go poorly."
- "To deal with the circunstancial, you must have the structural defined very well."
- "Your rival is also a part of you."
- "My 27 years of coaching have allowed me to know that you don't need to open your mouth for them to hit you there."
- "Football is a sport you play with the most disobediant part of the body: the foot."
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for jurgen though?
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alrighty then....
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how many teams does this dude root for?
