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Official Revised LeBron X Thread: Pressures Launch 11/2 Details pg. 1
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honestly, i feel like these types of discussions we've been engaging in recently are what's needed. the game has really gotten outta control. in fact, "outta control" feels like a gross understatement at this point.
the dialogue is very badly needed. we cannot just sit back and oohh and ahh at some damn plastic $300 shoes and act like nothing is wrong here.
the dialogue is very badly needed. we cannot just sit back and oohh and ahh at some damn plastic $300 shoes and act like nothing is wrong here.
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Charm... you know I agree with that.. hence why some of us have attempted to engage in non picture business or the business around Nike threads...
BUT when the convo gets extremely one sided with Opinions stated as facts and facts are.. lets just say warped... and everything is YOU are wrong for what you like and everything I say is the gospel.
Discussions ends decorum lost and arguments ensue.
Thats no fun.. nor engaging.
Especially when you go to any thread that will listen and post the same info over and over and over again.. as if many of us dont see more than one thread in the Nike section.
BUT when the convo gets extremely one sided with Opinions stated as facts and facts are.. lets just say warped... and everything is YOU are wrong for what you like and everything I say is the gospel.
Discussions ends decorum lost and arguments ensue.
Thats no fun.. nor engaging.
Especially when you go to any thread that will listen and post the same info over and over and over again.. as if many of us dont see more than one thread in the Nike section.
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Discussions are cool---- but I mean having the same discussion every 3-5 pages is what gets old :\
Plus like someone stated we don't want the threads to get LOCKED, so when people are discussing just be cool and don't flame. Though I must say this is one of the few threads where I've seen discussions actually happen and not just immature back n forth BS.
But yea man, back to the kicks
Plus like someone stated we don't want the threads to get LOCKED, so when people are discussing just be cool and don't flame. Though I must say this is one of the few threads where I've seen discussions actually happen and not just immature back n forth BS.
But yea man, back to the kicks
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I've noticed that AKA/Longstroke tends to bring out either the best or worst in people. Without a doubt he spurs on debate, even if you just want to desperately prove him wrong and shut him up.
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I don't know if it's just in pictures, but the X's look incredibly flat and one-dimensional to me. The only saving grace was the protruding swoosh like on the olympics, but since that's apparently not a standard feature, it just seems unimpressive for a $180 sig shoe.
I've noticed that AKA/Longstroke tends to bring out either the best or worst in people. Without a doubt he spurs on debate, even if you just want to desperately prove him wrong and shut him up.
*On Topic*
I don't know if it's just in pictures, but the X's look incredibly flat and one-dimensional to me. The only saving grace was the protruding swoosh like on the olympics, but since that's apparently not a standard feature, it just seems unimpressive for a $180 sig shoe.
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CO-SIGN. money saved! though i'm sure the asg and sb might be tempting.. we'll see though
longstroke
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Here's the main issue, then one of the reasons that you'll see random names taking offense at what it is that I am saying, especially on threads like these.
If the comments con, against, the new and expensive model takes root, then flowing off of this site to other sites and to the streets, giving power to any added rumor and innuendo against this item, Nike gets kicked in the testicles. The know it, and they know that they've done wrong for a very long time. There is a backlog of stuff to use against them. The one thing that they fear most, is a Professor K type move, where he destroyed several shoes made by Reebok, while at the peak of his popularity. He wrote a scathing review against their product, then making it seem as if all of Reebok's product were all constructed in the same fashion. It was as if as a company, they didn't even care about the build of their shoes.
Nike is one bad story away really losing the lead, and all it will take is something from the street level to get it going. It happened with Tommy Hilfiger years ago, and with Greenpeace already on Nike's butts, the heat could get pretty intense.
So that's why you see suggestions like let's keep it about the shoes here on NT, and then on Sole Collector. Over there if you say something against a Nike shoe, making a good case against it, they'll say that you are being negative, then calling for you to be banned. Nike has more power over there. A part of their mission statement during registration, is that any negativity is reason for banishment. Meanwhile they had posters over there referring to Asians and African Americans in a derogatory manner, and the mods took no action.
But you can't say anything bad about Nike shoes, even if it is dead on, truthful, then accurate.
Nike Talk is a bit more popular than Sole Collector, due to the diversity present in other forums like General and S&T, then also an older demographic. As much as I'd like to put my foot in a few people's butts over here, this place does seem to be a bit more genuine.
But Nike needs to sell these shoes! Their employees, those that are present here as well, and their wannabe's, will make sure that all goes according to plan, with the pics and the oohh's and aaahhh's telling the story. Anything different, and they will do what they need to do to keep you away, keeping it only about the shoes.
So I am going to break it down. There was a time that Nike made some excellent hoops shoes, even running shoes. Those days are long gone, as most of what they produce is made for fashion, then not performance. It's a shame as well, as they have some of the greatest athletes in the world on their roster.
So Nike, I've taken my business across the street from you.
If others follow, it's only your fault.
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i would say side tracked more than one sided, but i feel you. The discussions are needed but ima be honest, im ready for the shoe to drop so i can either write them off or not.
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I have been wondering for a long time................ how are we going to get Nike to start making great performance shoes again. Especially, in my opinion, when people in relative terms are balling less and "acting like they ball" more? That is one reason why i am excited about these shoe. It looks like the shoes has the potential to perform very high. And hopefully things can keep improving.
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Here's the thing, Some people have become so brand loyal, that they refuse to try anything different. To be quite honest, I've got many buddies who simply play in whatever is on the sale rack, and they do just fine. Nike wins in this manner as well, due to that fact that they make so many shoes, most will wind up in the sales bin, or at places like Nordstrom Rack.
For me, Adidas makes a seriously high quality shoe, as even their retro's are on point. The Top Ten 2000 is ridiculous to play in. Reebok also does this well, but since Nike has seemed to push other brands out of the stores, or into the back wall instead of the front of the store, they are seen first, with some people assuming that they are still making top of the line performance footwear. For me, top of the line means durable and then of high quality. Nike does not do this, as evidenced through the LeBron 9 Elite debacle.
Some will say that it's all about the tech, which is an excuse for Nike to shortchange everyone on the materials of the upper. You'll even read some people suggesting that just because the swoosh falls off, does not mean that the shoe and its performance will falter.
The damned shoe already failed if the swoosh is falling off, especially at two fiddy.
How do we get Nike to pay attention, then making them make great performance shoes again?
Like I said, I've taken my business across the street.
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Quite simply. Don't buy their crap. If all of the limited/super hyped colorways sit, but the general release stuff that performs incredibly well sells; that's what Nike will make. If Adidas or Under Armor or whoever makes a high quality leather shoe that is a performance beast and everyone starts wearing those to hoop, or even just casually then Nike will follow the new trend. Nike (and every company worth their salt) just follows the money.
As for the X, I'll be interested to see how it performs; especially in comparison to their lower price point shoes or even retros. I'm continually amazed at how many NBA players and players on every level will play in retros (although ostensibly with custom made orthotics). It really does beg the question of what exactly are we paying for with all of the "techological advances" and cushioning system that sneaker companies want to push on us.
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Makes no sense to me that athletic shoe would retail at 300... i dont care what material was used....
I personally dont even get a chance to wear most of my sneakers let alone ball in them... coz m working 5 out of 7
And with this football season just starting i am less likely to step out of the house.
The message most of us sneaker collectors are sending to nike is "cool keep adding gimmicks we ll pay more"
Did u guys forget 9 years ago the first lebron the zoom generation were only 110.00 say what?!!!
Even jordan didnt retaol for that much... and mnot talkin bout retros...
By all means buy anything u like but there cmes a time when we as consumers
Need to say enough is rnough.
I bought em elite 9 dont see what the hype was all about dont regret buyin em but still cant justify
The price...
I guess nxt year lebron 11 will retail at 325.... y not? Its gna superhyperfuse material loool
I personally dont even get a chance to wear most of my sneakers let alone ball in them... coz m working 5 out of 7
And with this football season just starting i am less likely to step out of the house.
The message most of us sneaker collectors are sending to nike is "cool keep adding gimmicks we ll pay more"
Did u guys forget 9 years ago the first lebron the zoom generation were only 110.00 say what?!!!
Even jordan didnt retaol for that much... and mnot talkin bout retros...
By all means buy anything u like but there cmes a time when we as consumers
Need to say enough is rnough.
I bought em elite 9 dont see what the hype was all about dont regret buyin em but still cant justify
The price...
I guess nxt year lebron 11 will retail at 325.... y not? Its gna superhyperfuse material loool
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although i wont perform in mine,,,i guarantee this shoe will be a performance beast.
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Please explain why. Make me a believer.
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Have you tried playing in the Iverson retro'd by Reebok? They are NOTHING like the originals...
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Would love to have sme kind of poll system to see hwny people actually buy sneakers to ball in...
I dont think nike is really targeting those people... if they were they would prolly just put em on id and have athletes match
The shoe to their uniform... no need to release the same shoe in 10 different colors for performance...
I dont think nike is really targeting those people... if they were they would prolly just put em on id and have athletes match
The shoe to their uniform... no need to release the same shoe in 10 different colors for performance...
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Cushioning that has never been featured in any Nike shoe to start.
longstroke
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Explain the differences, then the effect that those differences have on the durability and value, and then your game.
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No full length DMX like the originals, their signature cushioning setup featured in the originals, thus making them not as comfortable to ball in. They don't affect game, but since you said Nike's retros are poor compared to that of Adidas and Reebok, I'm giving you an example.
longstroke
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Zoom Max has been used before. The only difference in this model from that of the II and III, is that the air bag is different. The shoe does not use full length zoom max either, as was previously advertised. The medial side of the system is different.
So, how does this make it a performance beast, guaranteed by someone who hasn't even played in them?
Just curious.
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And I've been the first to say that people can ball in anything. But I like lighter shoes with zoom because that's what works FOR ME. If the shoes people wear work for them, who is anyone to say that they shouldn't wear them? You're not going to change people's minds, maybe make them aware to practices by shoes companies? If so then keep doing you but it sounds like you're trying to get people to stop buying Nike's when if that's what they want to wear then why keep ridiculing people that make this choice?
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I was under the impression that it was a completely new cushioning tech. If I'm wrong then so be it. And I didn't guarantee anything, never used that word. Under my pretenses, which you are saying are false, I didn't know about such difference till now. But stop putting words in my mouth haha.
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So, since the patent ran out on the Reebok shoe's cushioning system, do you think that they've used something comparable, that lasts just as long?
Also, how was the upper of the shoe? Was the stitching sufficient, durable enough for contact on court? Did the branding remain after being stepped upon?
How about the quality of materials used in that shoe, solid?
This, is where Nike fails.
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So you're saying by one shoe ripping in Blake Griffin's case, how many out of all the production of said shoes have ripped. If you want to be scientific, then a rather high amount out of 1000s of shoes should be "defective" in order for your judgment on all Nike's being inferior to be valid.
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