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It is one caucus in Iowa. Within stupid complicated rules.

Getting the results tonight or tomorrow morning doesn't mean **** in the grand scheme of things.
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There's a lot to respond to in your post that I will try to get to after work.

Bur first and foremost, what words did I put in your mouth, exactly? I asked you a number of questions and used a direct quote from you and even qualified it by saying "your own words seem to indicate" (which they clearly do). If I misinterpreted something or if you have something to clarify, by all means. But nothing in your response makes your case that I'm putting "lots of words in [your] damn mouth." And that is an especially ironic statement since a lot of what you posted is a response to things I didn't even say nor insinuate (the second and third sentences of your response, the entire fourth paragraph, and the notion that I consider you "ideologically rigid" just on my first read). So I will clarify my thoughts and positions accordingly. But please spare me the outrage.
Dude read some of the post you hit me with. You ask a question, then your follow up sentences imply that would answer said question in a certain way. So it strongly implies I hold said view. It always some "do you believe this", then the follow up in some expand respond about if I believe such and such a thing then it is wrong for such and such reason. When we have no even established I made the argument.

Look at these string of questions....
Do you want people to be 100% in alignment on everything before they come under the tent? Because as the article Osh posted in here the other day indicates, then you might as well kick half of all Democratic voters out of the party now. In fact, your own words seem to indicate that you don't want to "give problematic white people a second chance," since you're castigating Bernie's campaign for doing so. Well, what exactly do you propose doing instead? And along those same lines, what do you propose doing about all of the black and brown folks who vote for Democrats who have problematic views on religion, gender, and LGBTQ issues?

You ask me if I want 100% alignment. Which by itself is fine. You don't have an answer for this other than saying my words imply it (and I would like to point you usually put the worst read on "my words"). And ignored my word that would seem go against that claim. Then you then proceed to expand you point like I answered yes to the first question. So then proceeding questions are asked like I am advocating for 100% alignment, or as I called it being ideologically rigid. So at best the last couple questions are loaded questions.

I am not outraged and I pointing out a rhetorical move by you I think painted an unfair picture of me.

If you think I am being as unfair to you as you are to me. Then cool. We can end it here. Fine my me.
 
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You really can't see where this is headed. Put your ego to the side for a second
Dude looks like you are in full conspiracy theory mode. So the confirmation bias is kicking in.

If Trump gets reelected you will be in here on some "I told you so" steez.

If he doesn't, there will be another theory no one else saw to explain that.

So now everything seemingly points to the conclusion you think is predetermined.

I disagree, and it has nothing to do with my ego.

Famb we cool, but like I said yesterday we are not gonna see eye-to-eye on this. So I don't know why you want to go down this road with me again.
 
Dude looks like you are in full conspiracy theory mode. So the confirmation bias is kicking in.

If Trump gets reelected you will be in here on some "I told you so" steez.

If he doesn't, there will be another theory no one else saw to explain that.

So now everything seemingly points to the conclusion you think is predetermined.

I disagree, and it has nothing to do with my ego.

Famb we cool, but like I said yesterday we are not gonna see eye-to-eye on this. So I don't know why you want to go down this road with me again.
You keep talking about conspiracy. All I'm trying to do is point out facts but you want to dismiss them because of your own closed mind and confirmation bias. Ask yourself how you could've been so wrong about Trump getting elected in the first place. That's not to attack you, that's asking you to do some genuine self reflection and see where you went wrong
 


Bernies campaign has it Bernie, Pete, Warren, Biden, and Amy, but only has like 40% of the locations that they presumably were out pretty heavy in.

Don’t think the final count will be too far off from that. Wouldn’t be surprised if Biden actually ended up in fifth.

he’s definitely not going to drop out before Super Tuesday. But if he doesn’t win S.Carolina by substantial margins, he’s done.
 
You keep talking about conspiracy. All I'm trying to do is point out facts but you want to dismiss them because of your own closed mind and confirmation bias. Ask yourself how you could've been so wrong about Trump getting elected in the first place. That's not to attack you, that's asking you to do some genuine self reflection and see where you went wrong
Dude you keep strawmaning my stance on things. There is a rational explanation why Trump won, that I have stated and agree with. Tons of academics have look into the forces at play that lead to the 2016 outcome. Like many I was over confident in Clinton's chances but that doesn't mean I am gonna abandon reason and buy into some esoteric theory.

I have not seen you present much facts dude. Just stuff you believe that explains everything. And you for some reason are frustrated that I don't by in. I won't because you have not made a cogent argument to convince me. It is that simple

I don't know what else you want from me.
 
Don’t think the final count will be too far off from that. Wouldn’t be surprised if Biden actually ended up in fifth.

he’s definitely not going to drop out before Super Tuesday. But if he doesn’t win S.Carolina by substantial margins, he’s done.

Possibly. I think he and his team was out heavy in the suburbs so there is a chance that the rural areas report much differently.
 
Dude you keep strawmaning my stance on things. There is a rational explanation why Trump won, that I have stated and agree with. Tons of academics have look into the forces at play that lead to the 2016 outcome. Like many I was over confident in Clinton's chances but that doesn't mean I am gonna abandon reason and buy into some esoteric theory.

I have not seen you present much facts dude. Just stuff you believe that explains everything. And you for some reason are frustrated that I don't by in. I won't because you have not made a cogent argument to convince me. It is that simple

I don't know what else you want from me.
Right, you were overconfident last time and you're being overconfident again. That's all I'm saying. I pointed out how all the presidents are related and you just dismiss it as a coincidence. A government supposedly by the people and for the people yet every single president has royal blood that can be traced back to one man. That's a coincidence?
 
lol America has never met a conspiracy theory some couldn’t embrace

for some I think it's almost sporting fun. the ones who take them seriously though...

#CIAPete is trending on twitter in which Bernie supporters think Pete is some sort of CIA plot to undermine Bernie :lol:
 
lol America has never met a conspiracy theory some couldn’t embrace

for some I think it's almost sporting fun. the ones who take them seriously though...

#CIAPete is trending on twitter in which Bernie supporters think Pete is some sort of CIA plot to undermine Bernie :lol:

Anytime you can rig an election for someone that no one even knew existed 6 months ago you gotta do it. Like I could see the outrage if this **** was skewing toward Biden, but Pete?
 
lol America has never met a conspiracy theory some couldn’t embrace

for some I think it's almost sporting fun. the ones who take them seriously though...

#CIAPete is trending on twitter in which Bernie supporters think Pete is some sort of CIA plot to undermine Bernie :lol:
I've watched two elections get stolen in my lifetime. Two guys who never should've been president are getting ready to each serve two terms because they made secret plans with a group of others to influence the election, which is the literal definition of 'conspiracy'. Instead of blindly using that word incorrectly why not think critically and look at it objectively
 
...and just like that? The most intellectually stimulating thread on this entire site? Has been reduced to the level of the NBA thread.

Nope, this site isn't getting a collab.
 
I pointed out how all the presidents are related and you just dismiss it as a coincidence. A government supposedly by the people and for the people yet every single president has royal blood that can be traced back to one man. That's a coincidence?

practically every single person with European ancestry can trace their blood back to royalty

what's your point? if it's that we need to stop electing only whites as president, I don't disagree
 
practically every single person with European ancestry can trace their blood back to royalty

what's your point? if it's that we need to stop electing only whites as president, I don't disagree

Ok so then what are the odds that 44 people with European ancestry who can all trace their blood back to the same man end up becoming president of the United States? Honest question. It must be highly probable then right?
 
Update in the Parnas/Fruman case:
They will go to trial on October 5.
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Update on the USA (Special Counsel Mueller) v. Concord Management case:
Seems to be an ongoing dispute about a pre-trial subpoena to Concord Management. The trial is expected to start in April.
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In case some haven't continued following the case or forgot about this development late last year in the Concord Management case:
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The charges in the superseding indictment:
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Ok so then what are the odds that 44 people with European ancestry who can all trace their blood back to the same man end up becoming president of the United States? Honest question. It must be highly probable then right?
And your point is what exactly? White people are far more likely to be in powerful positions.
 
The earth is flat.

The sun still revolves around the earth.

Women should not be athletes, because it turns them into men.

When Black people get wealthy, it is because they are suddenly a part of the Illuminati.

The Egyptians were really white.
 
Why do I feel as if Kanye West is in this thread, explaining to Donald Trump about the effects of not having a father?
 
Ok so then what are the odds that 44 people with European ancestry who can all trace their blood back to the same man end up becoming president of the United States? Honest question. It must be highly probable then right?

I'm not an expert, but it sounds like it's extremely likely

"In 2013, geneticists Peter Ralph and Graham Coop showed that all Europeans are descended from exactly the same people. Basically, everyone alive in the ninth century who left descendants is the ancestor of every living European today, including Charlemagne, Drogo, Pippin and Hugh. Quel dommage. "

 
Right, you were overconfident last time and you're being overconfident again. That's all I'm saying. I pointed out how all the presidents are related and you just dismiss it as a coincidence. A government supposedly by the people and for the people yet every single president has royal blood that can be traced back to one man. That's a coincidence?
How the **** I'm I overconfident? I said Trump has a good chance at reelection. So now I am overconfident because I don't think his reelection is a certainty? Give me a break.

And yes, because it makes genealogical and probabilistic sense. And you don't even realize this factoid goes against you claim of it being predictive in the case of 2016. If Trump and Hillary are cousins, what difference does it make whether either of them won.

So once again, we are not gonna agree so I'm just gonna leave it here.
 
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And your point is what exactly? White people are far more likely to be in powerful positions.
I'm just asking questions. But you're generalizing what I said. It's not just any white people in any powerful position. I'm asking about specific people in a very specific position. How do you explain that?
 
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