***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[harlemtothebronx]

Major props to the NBA.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

I didn't say he should go fight russia you're just projecting. I'm just saying neither party would do anything at the moment. It's likely not worth it and the country is war weary.

Do you think the world is a better/safer place with america as the only true super power? Would you be comfortable with a USSR type pf power coming back into play?

Would I be comfortable with the forcible annexation of sovereign democratic nations? Serious question?

and by country run by a psudeo dictator with dreams of brining back the old soviet union?



**** no.

 

[wubalubadubdub]

Well yes, i would have the same reaction. I assume rusty would agree bit he will speak for himself.

But would people be willing to start world war three over it? Because acting with force means that outcome is just as likely as trump laying back and not caring.

I don't think we are perfect but i think the world is generally a better place when america is a super power and willing to use force. I don't see other powers filling the void that would be better.

 

[osh kosh bosh]

Well yes, i would have the dame reaction. I assume rusty would agree bit he will speak for himself.

But would people be willing to start world war three over it? Because acting with force means that outcome is just as likely as trump laying back and not caring.

dawg do you know what NATO is? It's what has stood between us and nuclear ******* winter since WWII.


Have you read about Putin? Dude has dreams of restoring the soviet union. Russia has already annexed Crimea, you think he wouldn't attempt to invade the baltic states? if America wasn't going to defend it?

The very suggestion of not tooling up to defend a NATO ally is completely insane.



Let's say I'm exaggerating, lets say there is a sub %5 shot of Puting invading the baltic states, lets say there is a sub 5% shot of a new soviet power forming and threatening the rest of Europe, and a sub 1% shot of nuclear war...

given that you're gambling literally with billions of lives I think it's probably best to air on the side of caution.

 

[wubalubadubdub]

I fully agree with you. Yes i understand NATO. My family is from Ukraine. I know who Putin is. I'm well aware dude.

But i think many people will jump straight to "you're a war monger" if the situation came up in real life if you were advocating that america go to war with Russia. It wouldn't be so simple and i doubt the left would be for it at all.



But Hillary would lol.

Trump is a dumpster fire. I'm just acrually thinking about the situation in real life. I don't know if it would be the obvious choice that u think

 

[00david00]

Obviously, a safe and stable Europe is in the best interest of the US, and NATO works in that regard. Trump was flippant as usual, but NATO also has a free rider problem when only 5 members fulfill the alliance goal of 2% GDP: US, UK, Greece, Poland, and Estonia.

2% is probably a flawed figure, and will never be reached by everyone in the alliance, but it's a good benchmark for dedication to security. Some underestimate its significance, others, mainly the US, overestimate it. Still, NATO has been at a real crossroads, and not because Trump said so, this has been a back and forth for years.

Frankly, there is a serious security vacuum in Europe due to a lack of spending by everyone else.

 

[RustyShackleford]

wubalubadubdub

Going to war with Russia if the invaded and annexed entire countries is not the same as going to war with Russia over a small area of land.

Stop it with the "the left" won't do anything steez. Matter of fact, the last war we entered to assert our authority blew up in our faces. And it was the left that was saying it was a dumb move. Remember that?

War is not cheap by any measure, we should be only going in for the most serious reason. An international dong measuring contest is not one of them. And I refuse to run deficits and send kids to die because of my personal level of rustle.

I don't know what world you live in, but America is the only military super power around. The entire world knows this, you just seem to think we need to carelessly remind of the world of this fact constantly.

Same way you think Obama doesn't take Islamic terrorism because he does bot fear monger, all the while he is droning civilians like crazy.

An invasion of multiple NATO allies is a next level event. Nothing we have seen close to in recent history. And would get the appropriate response, even people in "the left"

Stop blowing up every event to be on the level as something as major as an invasion of our NATO allies

 

[wubalubadubdub]

What was the last war we went in to assert our authority? Iraq was about fake or faulty information about WMD's and Halliburton making crazy money

 

[Belgium]

I have an immense amount of respect for Obama but one thing I can't get behind is da drone strikes. All the innocent collateral damage is messed up. Go ahead and bomb some vacant opium fields or actual terrorist camps but it's just wrong to launch a strike with even just a tiny chance of collateral damage.

 

[RustyShackleford]

What was the last war we went in to assert our authority? Iraq was about fake or faulty information about WMD's and Halliburton making crazy money

Brah Iraq was definitely about flexing on the entire Middle East too, especially Iran. And appeasing yours mans BiBi, after he was fear mongering for years

Look anyhow much Bush celebrated his "victory" and the rhetoric of the time. You weren't a patriot if you weren't in favor of Iraq

 

[rolaholic]

Came across this vid of delegates being interviewed on the RNC floor...



Is it not a prerequisite to know anything about the current state of the country in order to be a delegate?? :x

It's understandable when it's random folks on the street but your party delegates?

 

[deleted]

Knowledge of any kind is actually frowned upon within the Trump constituency

 

[Majorbread]

I'd laugh at the Video but I can only

 

[Brownstone]

I have an immense amount of respect for Obama but one thing I can't get behind is da drone strikes. All the innocent collateral damage is messed up. Go ahead and bomb some vacant opium fields or actual terrorist camps but it's just wrong to launch a strike with even just a tiny chance of collateral damage.

Nobody is FOR drones though, they are a necessary evil. It is not as simple as being for and against, where I drew the line however was when he started killing U.S. citizens. I understand that they may have defected, and are no longer rational, but killing U.S. citizens without trial has too much of a slippery slope feel to it.

 

[eracism]

I had to pause that video every 30 seconds to absorb the cringe.

I feel kinda bad for them because they likely don't know the insults Jimmy Dore hurls at their kind on TYT.

 

[sundoobie]

Trump's speech tonight was leaked by a Republican insider! Trump's campaign looking like a bunch of amateurs.

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/...mp-nomination-acceptance-speech-at-rnc-225974


He starts off with this...

I have a message for all of you: the crime and violence that today afflicts our nation will soon come to an end. Beginning on January 20th 2017, safety will be restored.

 

[rolaholic]

I know you guys heard that Jerry Falwell jr line...

Had to stop watching shortly after,not about to listen to scumbag Sheriff Joe put Guliani to shame

 

[ninjahood]

Wut?

Link

If Trump fails, this will only help/strengthen Cruz within the GOP.

You're delusional. Republicans HATE Ted Cruz. He will never be President. The only people that are rallying behind him are the anti Trump brigade on the left.

Lyin Ted is just living up to his name.

Ted Cruz is catching HELL for doing that stunt with his base and da only thing thats funnier is Trump let him hang himself

 

[rolaholic]

They got my dude Fran Tarkenton

 

[-Red-]

These people who are going off the rails about Benghazi are forgetting about a lot of the blood on their own hands from Iraq.

If you went to the RNC and asked 100 random people to point Benghazi out on a map, what's the over/under on how many could do so? Six? Seven?

 

[essential1]

Alex Jones tried to crashed Cenk Uygur and the Young Turks while they were on the air and it almost led to a fist fight at the RNC

 

[eracism]

Alex Jones ran up on my guy Cenk. lmaoooooooo

This convention has been so lit.

 

[essential1]

When he insulted Ana Kasparian, Cenk was ready to go.

In all honesty if they were to fight, Cenk would likely end up on trial for murder

 

[rolaholic]

Dude lost it when he said Jihad and accused them of being with Saudi Arabia

He's never watched their show I suspect in that case

Wouldn't be fair against Cenk in a fight though...

 

[eracism]

What is InfoWars supposed to be anyway? I always thought it was the nutty side of progressive news. Perhaps funded by conservatives to make progressives look bad.