***Official Political Discussion Thread***

[deuce king]

I want someone who is effective and looks like me. Is that a problem?

Can you explain the "looks like me" part of your statement please. What do YOU look like and what is your race/ethnicity??

 

[Mr.Guy]

Can you explain the "looks like me" part of your statement please. What do YOU look like and what is your race/ethnicity??

I’m Black. It doesn’t take rocket science to understand my comment

 

[deuce king]

I’m Black. It doesn’t take rocket science to understand my comment

I understood your comment that I quoted quite well. I asked for a breakdown of your description as an effort to help understand your thought process behind your statement. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Belgium]

From where I'm sitting, I think Pelosi is very good at being the House Minority leader. While not exactly the most charming character to say the least, she is an excellent fundraiser and does very well in rallying fellow House Dems behind a cause even if it jeopardizes their seat. I'd use the passing of the ACA as a prime example of her leadership capabilities.
When I look at the other chamber and see Chuck Schumer, also not the most charming character in my opinion, I see a rather weak leader who doesn't really exude authority and leadership the way you'd expect from a Minority leader. I think it's a bit of a mix between more divided views amongst Senate Democrats but also subpar leadership to rally them together for or against a specific cause.

 

[John Wick]

I understood your comment that I quoted quite well. I asked for a breakdown of your description as an effort to help understand your thought process behind your statement. Thanks for sharing.

What do you want him to say thick eyebrows, 3 shades darker than obama you knew what he meant.

Most blacks when they watch politics they want someone who has walked their life actually know what blacks deal with thats one reason why we loved obama how shallow that may sound most blacks dont believe wypipo have the best interest in blacks (Hilary prime example).

I know some blacks who went out and voted obama just because he was black which isnt a good thing but they believed he would helped the black community

 

[cashbanks]

How is her age making her ineffective at her job?

And I assume you guys want Maxine Waters to retire too, right?

I never said she was ineffective i just want to know why age cant be reason enough.

yes I dont want any politicians over 60-65

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don’t have to expand. I don’t like her. She doesn’t represent my interests and I feel a qualified progressive person of color would do a better job than Pelosi. I’m tired of so called progressive white liberalism. Give qualified people of color an opportunity.

If you don't want to expand on an outburst, then you have the option of not responding, don't be surprised no one takes your point seriously if all you want to do is yell and vent.

It went from Pelosi must go from some strange unknown reason to you want a black progressive that can be effective at the job of House Leader and all it's functions. Look at how the goal move when you have to defend you position

But still you dislike Pelosi's for a reason you don't even know to be true. You just assume it to be

 

[John Wick]

If you don't want to expand on an outburst, then you have the option of not responding, don't be surprised no one takes your point seriously if all you want to do is yell and vent.

It went from Pelosi must go from some strange unknown reason to you want a black progressive that can be effective at the job of House Leader and all it's functions. Look at how the goal move when you have to defend you position

But still you dislike Pelosi's for a reason you don't even know to be true. You just assume it to be

I dont even think dude was yelling or venting.

I understand what you are saying rusty but you obviously dont understand the mindset of poor blacks who dont understand politics when all it will take for them to get into politics is someone who looks like them I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

What do you want him to say thick eyebrows, 3 shades darker than obama you knew what he meant.

Most blacks when they watch politics they want someone who has walked their life actually know what blacks deal with thats one reason why we loved obama how shallow that may sound most blacks dont believe wypipo have the best interest in blacks (Hilary prime example).

I know some blacks who went out and voted obama just because he was black which isnt a good thing but they believed he would helped the black community

Then say it is strictly on race and let that argument be judged on those terms.

And it cuts both ways. If you want someone strictly because of the color of their skin you have to also accept other people in the Dem coalition strictly based on race or something else. So white people saying they don't what a black Muslim like Ellison running the DNC now has to become a valid concern too. Just because we want to throw nuance out the window.

I want black presentation and black people having more power in the Democratic Party but the case for putting people in power have to go beyond "cause they black".

Obama ravaged Hillary so badly with the black vote in 2008 not just because he was black. Because he made a great case of why he was the better choice. He was a better choice for black people and America against McCain and Romney too.

Furthermore there I would argue that real power will come from taking control at a grassroots level. We need more black people in local and State positions. More progressive black Congressmen in the House to make the CBC a force. We need to get a some black liberal Senators elected. We need to show up for primaries and midterms.

Like my man @gry60 says, we have to look beyond just want a benevolent Santa Claus, and start grabbing power that is right in front of us for the taking.

 

[biggie62]

Forecasts see economic growth possibly below 2 percent to start the year https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/14/all...r-economic-growth-is-rapidly-fading-away.html

4% growth they said.

 

[Mr.Guy]

If you don't want to expand on an outburst, then you have the option of not responding, don't be surprised no one takes your point seriously if all you want to do is yell and vent.

It went from Pelosi must go from some strange unknown reason to you want a black progressive that can be effective at the job of House Leader and all it's functions. Look at how the goal move when you have to defend you position

But still you dislike Pelosi's for a reason you don't even know to be true. You just assume it to be

An outburst really? So I’m the angry black guy now? I don’t care if my political beliefs are taken seriously on a sneaker forum All I know is that black people continue to struggle and I want someone who can help limit this struggle. I think a person of color would be better at this.

 

[John Wick]

Then say it is strictly on race and let that argument be judged on those terms.

And it cuts both ways. If you want someone strictly because of the color of their skin you have to also accept other people in the Dem coalition strictly based on race or something else. So white people saying they don't what a black Muslim like Ellison running the DNC now has to become a valid concern too. Just because we want to throw nuance out the window.

I want black presentation and black people having more power in the Democratic Party but the case for putting people in power have to go beyond "cause they black".

Obama ravaged Hillary so badly with the black vote in 2008 not just because he was black. Because he made a great case of why he was the better choice. He was a better choice for black people and America against McCain and Romney too.

Furthermore there I would argue that real power will come from taking control at a grassroots level. We need more black people in local and State positions. More progressive black Congressmen in the House to make the CBC a force. We need to get a some black liberal Senators elected. We need to show up for primaries and midterms.

Like my man @gry60 says, we have to look beyond just want a benevolent Santa Claus, and start grabbing power that is right in front of us for the taking.

trust i agree i hear you. Me and you both know the way ahead and whats necessary to make these things happen.

But try to ask some uneducated poor black kid where his public school is failing him his local government is failing him by killing them in the streets, they been oppressed for years and dont trust the government, on where to start to change the system and you will see the excuses they make because they are so used to the system failing them or just dont even know where to begin.

Not everyone is as smart as you when it comes to politics and can debate on your level.

All im saying rust.

 

[Mr.Guy]

Then say it is strictly on race and let that argument be judged on those terms.

And it cuts both ways. If you want someone strictly because of the color of their skin you have to also accept other people in the Dem coalition strictly based on race or something else. So white people saying they don't what a black Muslim like Ellison running the DNC now has to become a valid concern too. Just because we want to throw nuance out the window.

I want black presentation and black people having more power in the Democratic Party but the case for putting people in power have to go beyond "cause they black".

Obama ravaged Hillary so badly with the black vote in 2008 not just because he was black. Because he made a great case of why he was the better choice. He was a better choice for black people and America against McCain and Romney too.

Furthermore there I would argue that real power will come from taking control at a grassroots level. We need more black people in local and State positions. More progressive black Congressmen in the House to make the CBC a force. We need to get a some black liberal Senators elected. We need to show up for primaries and midterms.

Like my man @gry60 says, we have to look beyond just want a benevolent Santa Claus, and start grabbing power that is right in front of us for the taking.

You must have missed me saying I want a “qualified” person of color. I don’t want pookie the dope boy lol.

 

[chao7]

Personally, I don't like it when people in positions like Pelosi are being asked questions at press conferences and respond by saying things like "Are you kidding me? Next question."

If someone politely asks a legitimate question, it's not appropriate to respond that way.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I dont even think dude was yelling or venting.

I understand what you are saying rusty but you obviously dont understand the mindset of poor blacks who dont understand politics when all it will take for them to get into politics is someone who looks like them I dont think there is anything wrong with that.

This is his shtick, people try to engage his ideas and when they disagree it is Timid time. I asked him to expand, he chose to be flippant. Now look at the strawmen he is keeps building.

With all due respect, miss me with the "I don't understand poor black people". I know you don't mean to insult but it is still a goal post move.

No one said anything about representation driving turnout as a politicial tool until now, especially not Timid. I even requested dudes just keep it #1HUNNA and say it is about race too.

If they argument was just "Nancy is good at her job but if she was replaced with a black progressive that would be just as effective at the duties, then that may help drive the lower income black turnout" then I would agree with that sentiment, and we would be having a different discussion But that is not the argument I was presented with.

It was about not liking her, about she not be trusted, about her age, and so on. So please before you accuse me of not understand poor black people, take time to consider what arguments I am pushing back against.

 

[Mr.Guy]

This is his shtick, people try to engage his ideas and when they disagree he goes off on tangents to win the debate strictly by appearing he cares more. I asked him to expand, he chose to be flippant. Now look at the strawmen he keeps building.

With all due respect, miss me with the "I don't understand poor black people". I know you don't mean to insult but it is still a goal post move.

No one said anything about representation driving turnout as a politicial tool until now. I even requested dudes just keep it #1HUNNA and say it is about race

If they argument was just "Nancy is good at her job but if she was replaced with a black progressive that would be just as effective at the duties, then that may help drive the lower income black turnout" then I would agree with that sentiment, and we would be having a different discussion But that is not the argument I was presented with.

It was about not liking her, about she not be trusted, about her age, and so on. So please before you accuse me of not understand poor black people, take time to consider what arguments I am pushing back against.

You should run for office or get a PhD in Political Science, I’m sure you can write a dissertation.

 

[John Wick]

This is his shtick, people try to engage his ideas and when they disagree it is Timid time. I asked him to expand, he chose to be flippant. Now look at the strawmen he is keeps building.

With all due respect, miss me with the "I don't understand poor black people". I know you don't mean to insult but it is still a goal post move.

No one said anything about representation driving turnout as a politicial tool until now, especially not Timid. I even requested dudes just keep it #1HUNNA and say it is about race too.

If they argument was just "Nancy is good at her job but if she was replaced with a black progressive that would be just as effective at the duties, then that may help drive the lower income black turnout" then I would agree with that sentiment, and we would be having a different discussion But that is not the argument I was presented with.

It was about not liking her, about she not be trusted, about her age, and so on. So please before you accuse me of not understand poor black people, take time to consider what arguments I am pushing back against.

You right i will leave it at that.

 

[RustyShackleford]

An outburst really? So I’m the angry black guy now? I don’t care if my political beliefs are taken seriously on a sneaker forum All I know is that black people continue to struggle and I want someone who can help limit this struggle. I think a person of color would be better at this.

I didn't call you a angry black man. But I'm not gonna act like you don't have certain style of debating that is unique to you. You wrote someone random, I asked you to expand, if you don't care. Cool

 

[RustyShackleford]

You should run for office or get a PhD in Political Science, I’m sure you can write a dissertation.

When the Cuban is delivered I will declare my Senate run and enroll in grad school again

I other words, never gonna happen.

 

[Mr.Guy]

I didn't call you a angry black man. But I'm not gonna act like you don't have certain style of debating that is unique to you. You wrote someone random, I asked you to expand, if you don't care. Cool

I expounded though. It’s not my fault you weren’t pleased with my response.

 

[Mr.Guy]

When the Cuban is delivered I will declare my Senate run and enroll in grad school again

I other words, never gonna happen.

Why not? We need more people like you with knowledge to share their knowledge.

 

[Deleted member 42060]

i’ll say kushner and sessions

 

[elpablo21]

 

[RustyShackleford]

I expounded though. It’s not my fault you weren’t pleased with my response.

You expended on it multiple times. I pushed back a couple times, and then reached a place where you felt it was unreasonable you give anymore.

Please go count how many post it takes you to go from "Pelsoi must got" to "I would prefer a qualified black progressive."

 

[Mr.Guy]

You expended on it multiple times. I pushed back a couple times, and then reached a place where you felt it was unreasonable you give anymore.

Please go count how many post it takes you to go from "Pelsoi must got" to "I would prefer a qualified black progressive."

You’re right I should have said that the jump. Saying Pelosi must go was sensational. If the Dems don’t win the house do you think it would be time for her to go?