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Like abortion, I think conservatives have gotten way over their skies on the pro gun stuff.

I think the Democrats should push really hard on funding the ATF probably and going after illegal guns. It is something the public support, it is something police support, it is something liberals support.

Dems have to make it salient to voters how much conservatives views contribute to higher rates of violent crime.

i think it would clarify things if they just called it "crime" more.

i feel like democrats tend to call it stopping "gun violence" or cracking down on "guns."


imo I would call it "crime" or "gun crime", and establish that Democrats are the true tough on crime party.

republicans are lawless extremists.
 
I think ron destantis has relatively good political instincts.

while being a uncharming, and thin skinned vulgarian in person.
and he's average height


imo Trump either takes him out, or damages him irrevocably.
heads I win, tails you lose situation.,
 
I think ron destantis has relatively good political instincts.

while being a uncharming, and thin skinned vulgarian in person.
and he's average height


imo Trump either takes him out, or damages him irrevocably.
heads I win, tails you lose situation.,
I think the question of DeSantis political instincts are still unanswered.

Him being Florida as it turns bright red has made him a star in the conservative world but might delude him to the realties of the national electorate

If DeSantis breaks with traditional Republican economics and runs on something like Romney's childcare allowance. That would be very smart of him.

If mans shows up talking like Rick Scott, then he is a idiot. Trump will just lie and sound like an economic centrist again and make a fool of him.

I think Glen Youngkin fooling Virgina mother's into voting for him is much more impressive and speaks to better instincts than DeSantis
 
I think the question of DeSantis political instincts are still unanswered.

Him being Florida as it turns bright red has made him a star in the conservative world but might delude him to the realties of the national electorate

If DeSantis breaks with traditional Republican economics and runs on something like Romney's childcare allowance. That would be very smart of him.

If mans shows up talking like Rick Scott, then he is a idiot. Trump will just lie and sound like an economic centrist again and make a fool of him.

I think Glen Youngkin fooling Virgina mother's into voting for him is much more impressive and speaks to better instincts than DeSantis

I think increasing teacher pay, opening the schools earlier, holding the line at a 15 week abortion ban, and a fighting mostly symbolic culture war fights.
was a winning combination beyond just Florida's red trend.

he seems to have some idea of what he's doing.


but if he he does like a 6 week abortion ban and pivots to Ricks Scott austerity+plutocracy plan
I retract everything I just said. :lol:
 
I think increasing teacher pay, opening the schools earlier, holding the line at a 15 week abortion ban, and a fighting mostly symbolic culture war fights.
was a winning combination beyond just Florida's red trend.

he seems to have some idea of what he's doing.


but if he he does like a 6 week abortion ban and pivots to Ricks Scott austerity+plutocracy plan
I retract everything I just said. :lol:
He increased their pay because their is a massive shortage of teachers, Florida's abortion ban has no exemption for rape or incest. I simply don't think school reopenings hold the same weight as you do.

I know you didn't mean to, but he hasn't just fought symbolic culture wars. Teachers lost their jobs over the don't say gay stuff, he vetoed a gerrymandered map and demanded an extreme gerrymander that eliminated two black districts, he is arresting people for improperly voting even though the state said they could. All this news about Florida banning gender affirming care for kids doesn't mention he also banned it for adults as well. And socially transitioning your kid might get CPS called on you by a teacher.

I think he has given the Democratic Party more than enough to paint him as excessively cruel.

So let me ask, you really think the things he listed, considering the other **** he has done, is appealing enough for him win in PA, New Hampshire or Michigan? Because he will probably have too.

DeSantis could win FL, Georgia, North Carolina, Arizona, Wisconsin, Maine #2, and Nebraska #2 and still not get to 270. So I don't think status quo DeSantis has the national appeal people think he has.

I think he could help himself by not thinking his path to the White House is paved by more of the same.
 
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:lol: what is happening with consertive campaing operatives??

we all know real everyday americans love silencers and drive BMW sedans off road???

This man was running for US Senate as a conservative and his "ad" had a german gun and car in it and nothing else. He never wanted to win.
 
He increased their pay because their is a massive shortage of teachers, Florida's abortion ban has no exemption for rape or incest. I simply don't think school reopenings hold the same weight as you do.

Im not saying his specific policies in Florida you can copy and paste into a national campaign.

the policies he's selected for florida has managed to engage his base while winning over a lot of voters of colours.
and he's drawn some lines with the republican legislator on abortion that I think have helped him.

so imo he's thinking about this on higher level than Rick Scott, Peter Theil and the rest of these idiots.
so to be clear when I said relatively good. relative to other republicans I think his instincts have been pretty good.


whether he can translate this success to a national campaign I agree is a question mark.
 
Im not saying his specific policies in Florida you can copy and paste into a national campaign.

the policies he's selected for florida has managed to engage his base while winning over a lot of voters of colours.
and he's drawn some lines with the republican legislator on abortion that I think have helped him.

so imo he's thinking about this on higher level than Rick Scott, Peter Theil and the rest of these idiots.
so to be clear when I said relatively good. relative to other republicans I think his instincts have been pretty good.


whether he can translate this success to a national campaign I agree is a question mark.
Fair enough

But I think in the end this won't matter for 2024.

Trump has better instincts, and is a shameless liar. DeSantis won't be able to keep up.

Ron gonna get his political soul snatched by Don eventually
 
Trump knows these clowns are lemmings so all he has to do is a couple of rallies and these people will come flying back to him.
 
There's a new psycho every day :smh:

dude, i work in a substance abuse treatment center and earlier this year there was a guy that left and relapsed talking mad **** about me - how he was gonna **** me up. he was also heavily armed - 6’3” big skinhead on roids. i park outside and everyday walking to and from my car was like awww **** is this the day? he called me one day begging to come back so we brought him in right away :lol:
 
Ari Melber scared me for a sec :lol:

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DeSantis isn’t it. Once he gets that national attention and scrutiny, he’s going to look funny in the light.

And in all likelihood Trump washes him in the primaries. DeSantis is like a B grade Trump without any type of charisma or wittiness. All the trolling and **** talking works to Trumps advantage, but for as crappy a person he is, all the **** talking comes natural to him whereas it just seems forced and manufactured coming from DeSantis.
 
So an update what I heard on the other side in the news. Poland is in contact with Biden and NATO. US is sending specialist along with satilitr data to see what it was. Looking at 4 possibilities. Rocket from Belarus, rocket from Russia, rocket from Russia which was shut down, Ukraine doing an inside job to get NATO involved to create a no fly zone. Nothing is ruled out as a possibility.

It was a Russian made rocket though.
 
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