you guys could always alternate between kobe 8s and kd4s. I doubt you would burn through kd4s like you would kobe 8s. Just a tip, if you like a shoe tremendously, stock up on outlet pairs when/if available so they can be revisited down the line. The CWs may not be fire-like, or the hottest ones, but if its simply the shoe, then who cares what color it is- and certainly outdoor no one else will give a rip what you have on. I can understand not wanting to tear up your xmas, asgs, mercurials, etc..., but at some point, shoes are shoes- and meant to be worn/beat up. If you love the 8 or need the 8 for ball, I am sure there will be some pairs outlet bound you can stock up on. GL