Idk but my advice is this, from the last time they dropped (2010) and I missed them, the prices on ebay have been crazy. It may be better to get these even at that price. These have had a funny way of drying up quickly. The price range I was seeing ~2012-2013 was around $400, no bs. I thought that was insane at the time. I was excited about these dropping again saying F those resale prices, but if you can cop at that price now, you might not regret spending it later especially if this trend keeps up, the price might increase on the aftermarket.