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Mike can't hit or block like Hines 
Tim Brown or Irvin? That's a solid debate there
Tim Brown or Irvin? That's a solid debate there
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That's because he is.
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Mike can't hit or block like Hines
I'm a Hines fan, lol. He'll be in the hall soon. Hines and Mike were far superior blockers than Jerry Rice though.
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Fun fact of the Day (again): if you only use the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career, he'd still be the all-time leader in receiving yards (16377) and only two TD's shy of Randy Moss (154).
He doesn't just have "all the records" because of longevity.
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Productive longevity being a negative 
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Only on NTProductive longevity being a negative
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Exactly. Rich Gannon's best year came with a 40 year old Jerry Rice and we're supposed to knock him for it?
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Fun fact of the Day (again): if you only use the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career, he'd still be the all-time leader in receiving yards (16377) and only two TD's shy of Randy Moss (154).
He doesn't just have "all the records" because of longevity.
So.... he'd be the leader in receiving yards, in a pass heavy offense? I woud say this though, Rice played outdoors, Moss and Irvin played on turf. But, Irvin was a beast at University of Miami on grass so, he would be good anywhere.
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It's not like Rice was physically better then Mike. We aren't comparing Calvin to Welker where you can see the speed, size, jumping ability and undeniable differences. He just played longer and had more targets. If Randy had rings and played every down I'd say he was better then both of them.
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All these ifs
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Same can be said about Irvin and Sharpe prematurely retiring. Both had to medically retire. Neither wanted to leave the game yet. Irvin was 33, Sterling was 29...
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-he had 2 HOF QBs
-He played on Grass instead of Turf
-he played longer
-he was targeted more
-He played on Grass instead of Turf
-he played longer
-he was targeted more
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Soft
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Who gives a ****. They retired.
Stop with the hypothetical crap in here. It's tired.
Maybe they should have taken better care of their soft serve bodies. Worthless bums.
Stop with the hypothetical crap in here. It's tired.
Maybe they should have taken better care of their soft serve bodies. Worthless bums.
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Since longevity is the defining factor, I guess Brett Favre is the greatest QB because he literally was first string for 21 years, as well
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If you only use the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career, he'd still be the all-time leader in receiving yards (16377) and only two TD's shy of Randy Moss (154).
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How is 88 ahead of Tim Brown? Tim was stuck with crappy QBs (no HOFer for him), an inferior RB compared to ES22, worse team overall so obviously no SB. But he still dominated and did on the college level as well. Irvin has the luxury of those incredible Cowboys teams, Timmy had nothing
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Michael Irvin isn't even top 50 in touchdowns and barely top 25 in receiving yards. Dude is barely better than Santana Moss. Santana Moss won a title at the U, right?
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Why didnt Rice put up numbers when Jeff Garcia was his QB?
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the list of QBs Tim Brown had :x
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Since longevity is the defining factor, I guess Brett Favre is the greatest QB because he literally was first string for 21 years, as well
I said this yesterday and got no response.
Everyone must have Farve and Emmit as the best All Time. If they don't the Rice argument wouldn't hold weight anymore.
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If you only use the first 12 years of Jerry Rice's career, he'd still be the all-time leader in receiving yards (16377) and only two TD's shy of Randy Moss (154).
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Blame Al for putting Marcus Allen on the backburner. Al was even going to bench Tim Brown at one point. Tim Brown was drafted ahead of both Irvin and sharpe in 1988. Blame the Davises
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