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Now that he is going to the Wiz, +!*$ is even more real. Believe InMyMind was on the verge of giving up his fanhood.
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I was in shocked watching this. Timberwolves have no luck. People were going crazy at NBA City. One due reminded me of the Alonzo Mouring gif when they announce the wolves with the fourth pick.Originally Posted by HOOD17
Philly or the Wizards will get the #1 pick
Originally Posted by Scott Frost
Now that he is going to the Wiz, +!*$ is even more real. Believe InMyMind was on the verge of giving up his fanhood.
Ecstatic.Originally Posted by RoOk
Any sixers fans fine with turner?
Originally Posted by RoOk
Any sixers fans fine with turner?
I'll be heated if they do that.Originally Posted by franchise3
Per Woj:
Dude Tweeted that Portland and Houston will work the phone lines to get the #3-4 pick.
Jrue Holliday being the person lol
You know he was happy they didn't get the first pick. I'm sure he likes having a job.
Originally Posted by MisterP0315
Replay of Granger?
Washington | John Wall | Position: PG Height: 6-foot-4 Weight: 185 pounds Age: 19 School: Kentucky |
Philadelphia | Evan Turner | Position: SG Height: 6-7 Weight: 205 Age: 21 School: Ohio State |
New Jersey | Derrick Favors | Position: PF Height: 6-9 Weight: 215 Age: 18 College: Georgia Tech |
Minnesota | Wesley Johnson | Position: SF Height: 6-7 Weight: 198 Age: 22 School: Syracuse |
Sacramento | DeMarcus Cousins | Position: C Height: 6-11 Weight: 260 Age: 19 School: Kentucky |
Golden State | Cole Aldrich | Position: C Height: 6-11 Weight: 245 Age: 21 School: Kansas |
Detroit | Al-Farouq Aminu | Position: SF Height: 6-8 Weight: 205 Age: 19 School:Wake Forest |
Los Angeles Clippers | Ekpe Udoh | Position: PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 240 Age: 22 School: Baylor |
Utah (via New York) | Greg Monroe | Position: PF Height: 6-11 Weight: 250 Age: 19 School: Georgetown |
Indiana | Ed Davis | Position: PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 215 Age: 20 College: North Carolina |
New Orleans | Daniel Orton | Position: C Height: 6-10 Weight: 260 Age: 19 School: Kentucky |
Memphis | Luke Babbitt | Position: SF Height: 6-9 Weight: 220 Age: 20 School:Nevada |
Toronto | Avery Bradley | Position: SG Height: 6-3 Weight: 180 Age: 19 School: Texas |
Houston | Hassan Whiteside | Position: C Height: 6-11 Weight: 225 Age: 20 Country: Marshall |
Milwaukee (via Chicago) | Gordon Hayward | Position: SF Height: 6-8 Weight: 200 Age: 20 School: Butler |
Minnesota (via Charlotte) | Paul George | Position: SF Height: 6-8 Weight: 185 Age: 20 School: Fresno State |
Chicago (via Milwaukee) | James Anderson | Position: SG Height: 6-6 Weight: 195 Age: 21 School: Oklahoma State |
Miami | Eric Bledsoe | Position: PG Height: 6-1 Weight: 190 Age: 20 School: Kentucky |
Boston | Xavier Henry | Position: SG Height: 6-7 Weight: 220 Age: 19 School: Kansas |
San Antonio | Damion James | Position: SF Height: 6-8 Weight: 224 Age: 22 School: Texas |
Oklahoma City | Donatas Motiejunas | Position: PF Height: 7-0 Weight: 220 Age: 19 Country: Lithuania |
Portland | Patrick Patterson | Position: PF Height: 6-8 Weight: 245 Age: 21 School: Kentucky |
Minnesota (via Utah) | Kevin Seraphin | Position: PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 258 Age: 20 Country: France |
Atlanta | Quincy Pondexter | Position: SF Height: 6-7 Weight: 220 Age: 22 School: Washington |
Memphis (via Denver) | Craig Brackins | Position: PF Height: 6-10 Weight: 230 Age: 22 School: Iowa State |
Oklahoma City (via Phoenix) | Solomon Alabi | Position: C Height: 7-1 Weight: 245 Age: 22 School: Florida State |
New Jersey (via Dallas) | Terrico White | Position: SG Height: 6-5 Weight: 211 Age: 20 School: Mississippi |
Memphis (via L.A. Lakers) | Larry Sanders | Position: SF Height: 6-10 Weight: 220 Age: 21 School: Va. Commonwealth |
Orlando | Willie Warren | Position: PG Height: 6-4 Weight: 210 Age: 20 School: Oklahoma |
Washington (via Cleveland) | Keith Gallon | Position: PF Height: 6-9 Weight: 300 Age: 19 School: Oklahoma |
Originally Posted by Kiddin Like Jason
You know he was happy they didn't get the first pick. I'm sure he likes having a job.
Ranking the NBA draft's best players
By Doug Gottlieb
ESPN.com
The deadline for college players to withdraw their names from the NBA draft and preserve their college eligibility was moved up to May 8 this year, meaning we already know which players are taking their chances to be among the 60 names selected on June 24. Here is what the top 30 of my Big Board would look like …
1. John Wall, Kentucky
The real deal. Incredibly fast with the ball and agile in transition. As difficult to keep out of the paint as Rajon Rondo, yet bigger and a better shooter. Only his defense and shooting behind the pick-and-roll are suspect. Best of all, Wall is a winner who isn't afraid to have the ball in his hands in key situations.
2. Derrick Favors, Georgia Tech
Long, freak athlete who played with below-average guards on an erratic team. Destroyed DeMarcus Cousins in high school and started to elevate his game late in the college season. Has every tool needed to be a star in the pros, just needs reps and polish.
3. Greg Monroe, Georgetown
Has a Chris Bosh feel to his game. He's bright, well-rounded and, though he's not a superstar, he's solid in most every aspect of his game despite playing just two years of college. Has been surrounded by average talent and his passing skills will be more pronounced with better players around him.
4. Evan Turner, Ohio State
Not a great athlete and not a shooter with range, but his basketball IQ and ability to create for himself and others make him a valuable asset.
5. Wesley Johnson, Syracuse
Very unselfish and a quality shooter. Johnson doesn't go by people, doesn't really do a great job of posting up and holding position, but he is very long, can play two positions at both ends and recovers from mistakes with his with very good speed.
6. Ekpe Udoh, Baylor
Udoh has a quick jumper with supreme timing and is an exceptionally quick learner and hard worker. He made himself an offensive player during his transfer year at Baylor, yet never lost the slightest bit of timing or intangibles defensively. While his build is fairly slight, he is strong, runs well in transition and has become a decent face-up jump shooter.
7. Al-Farouq Aminu, Wake Forest
Super-skilled wing who will be a better pro than he was a college player. Not nasty enough to be a star, but bright, easy to like and still scratching the surface on his overall game. Aminu can guard two or three positions and eventually will play two positions on offense. His perimeter jumper needs work -- he made just 23 percent of his jump shots this year -- but his form is not "broken," it is just inconsistent.
8. Luke Babbitt, Nevada
Think Chris Mullin with a smaller Toni Kukoc-type of feel. Babbitt will impress you. His array of step-backs, "Euro-steps" and range are different from anyone else in the draft. Babbitt is also a willing passer with a tremendous basketball IQ. He is the "favorite player" of at least five college recruiters I have spoken to and three scouts said the same thing.
9. Gordon Hayward, Butler
Handles like a 2, rebounds and defends like a 4 on the glass. Hayward is probably a year away in terms of strength and consistency in his shooting, but his Mike Miller-meets-Mike Dunleavy style makes him impressive, as does his ability to win. If you want a winner with upside, you want Hayward.
10. DeMarcus Cousins, Kentucky
A monster down low when he "plays," but he will float and shoot jumpers and will pout. There are some red flags concerning Cousins among several teams. He's a phenomenal specimen and Calipari says he simply needed to mature, but the likelihood that he can be ruled with an iron fist in the pros as he was in college is nonexistent. Still, he showed, like Tyreke Evans under Cal, major personal and professional growth at Kentucky.
11. Cole Aldrich, Kansas
A solid starting center in the NBA who needs some polish on his low-post game. While his "windup" is awkward for his jumper, his release is fine, and he makes enough shots from 17 feet to have a pick-and-pop game. An underrated athlete who has good timing to block shots or swipe down on the ball, Aldrich is average guarding ball screens laterally, which will cause him to foul more at the next level. Strong, solid, mature and without off-court issues, Aldrich is a safe and sound pick.
12. Ed Davis, North Carolina
Super long and rangy, great running in transition and like North Carolina, not quite the same in the halfcourt. Davis is somewhere in between a 4 and a 5. His hands, shot-blocking and rebounding instincts scream center, but he is only 6-foot-9 and he is light at around 215 pounds. Davis has a tireless motor and if he can continue to improve his jumper with that energy, he will be a very solid power forward in the future.
13. Larry Sanders, Virginia Commonwealth
Super long with a better face-up game than Ed Davis, Sanders has the look of a lottery pick, but his game has yet to totally match his potential.
14. James Anderson, Oklahoma State
Good solid 2-guard who can put points up in a hurry. Solid, but streaky 3-point shooter, moves well without the ball and is a willing and capable passer (more than 2.5 assists per game). Anderson is between a 2 and a 3, but a non-ballhandling 2 in the pros. Soft-spoken and from a small town, Anderson needs the right kind of mentoring at the pro level. He also needs major work on his defense.
15. Xavier Henry, Kansas
Solid and skilled, yet small for a forward but not really a guard in terms of skill outside of shooting the basketball. A Morris Peterson-type of player. While he's a better overall defender and maybe a better player than James Anderson, Henry's game is not as diverse on offense, as he relies on his jumper a bit too much. He shook the label of being soft late in the season.
16. Hassan Whiteside, Marshall
Older than you think for a freshman (21 on draft night), but big (legit 7-footer), Whiteside is rangy and still peaking. He played two years of high school, one year of postgrad and one year at Marshall, where he averaged 5.7 blocks per game. His offense is raw, but not terrible. Some baggage, but if surrounded by the right teammates, he will be fine.
17. Patrick Patterson, Kentucky
Came to UK with the reputation as an animal as a rebounder, but began to float on the perimeter a bit too much this year. While his skill improved, his defensive rebounding was not nearly what it had been. Still Patterson plays hard, can post and, though he is 6-8 at best, he already has a face-up game.
18. Avery Bradley, Texas
A phenomenal on-ball defender, Bradley is a man without a position. His jumper is very much a work in progress, but he does have a high basketball IQ and is a competitor who could be this draft's Jrue Holiday (disappointing season at UCLA before becoming a mid-to-late first-round pick who blossomed late in his rookie season).
19. Eric Bledsoe, Kentucky
This year's Russell Westbrook. A freak athlete who played mostly at the 2 at Kentucky despite being highly regarded as a scoring point in high school. Has a mini "Jim Jackson" type of frame, but needs to improve his ballhandling and decision-making (1-to-1 assist-turnover ratio), as well as show he can run a team.
20. Daniel Orton, Kentucky
Hurt his knee his senior year in high school, played behind Cousins and Patterson and thus never really got to grow this year at Kentucky. Very much a "kid" mentally, but not a bad kid by any means. A face-up 4 who has gained strength, is quick off the floor and has great timing when blocking shots. Will spend time in the D-League, but has a chance to start in two years.
21. Damion James, Texas
Two years ago he would have been a lottery pick, as he was a perfect fit with D.J. Augustin. After a year without a point guard and then a year with three average point guards, James has made himself into a viable lottery-level pick yet again. He is not the caliber of defender, though he could be, of Stanley Robinson, but he is a capable scorer, with a solid midrange jumper that may never extend to the NBA 3-point line. James needs to play in an up-tempo offense.
22. Paul George, Fresno State
Reminds some of Trevor Ariza. George is unpolished, but his game should definitely transfer over to the NBA game, though it has gaping holes. His length and athleticism make up for his lack of a pure offensive arsenal and he can shoot, which allows him to space the floor away from a post or a star teammate. George has a chance to be a starter in the league in time if he works to improve all facets of his game.
23. Donatas Motiejunas, Lithuania
Young and skilled around the basket, Motiejunas must add strength and toughness to his game. The Lithuanian played at a very high level in Italy this year, but despite a lot of statistical success, he is still not a great rebounder, nor does he hold position all that well. At just 19, he is a year away, but his instincts -- and his hands -- are terrific.
24. Stanley Robinson, Connecticut
Ridiculously long and athletic, "Sticks" is a jump shot away from being an athletic Bruce Bowen. He has good fundamentals defensively, great lateral quickness for his size and also has good hands around the rim on rebounds and alley-oops. He is bigger and better than Jamario Moon, though he may not be as jumpy as Moon.
25. Jordan Crawford, Xavier
His attitude was brutal for much of the year but Crawford has a confidence that, while it can rub you the wrong way, can keep him believing that the ball belongs in his hands late in games. He's not a great athlete and does seem to carry too much weight. Crawford is very good with the ball in his hands, below average without it. As a late-first to early second-round pick, he needs to expect to play without the ball and improve dramatically in his rookie season.
26. Craig Brackins, Iowa State
His numbers shrunk, and his draft spot has clearly gotten worse, but Brackins has improved as a basketball player in the past year. He played against a double-team or sagging man-to-man all year and in actuality, he is much better facing up than posting up. Brackins is big and skilled and though not a great or even really a good athlete, his pick-and-pop game, post-up game and ability to score points makes him valuable. If he were a better athlete, he might be a starter and a lottery pick this year, but his David West-type of game only helps if you have a Chris Paul alongside you.
27. Dominique Jones, South Florida
Has a Dwyane Wade-type of game and position. Not a point, not a 2, just a scoring guard that shoots it at an average level, but is unreal at getting into the paint. Jones is a good pickup for a playoff team needing offense off the bench, but he needs to shoot it better from 3. Though he has no position, he can guard a point or an averaged-sized 2 right now, which will help him get onto the court this year.
28. Solomon Alabi, Florida State
Looks the part of a starting center, but can be fairly unproductive. Alabi is a capable rebounder and shot blocker, holds decent position, but is yet to establish a polished post-up game. Still, his length, sheer size and hands make him a good big man off the bench who could grow into a starting role with some serious offensive work.
29. Quincy Pondexter, Washington
Really skilled and experienced wing. Not as big or long as Sticks Robinson, but a far better offensive player. Pondexter lacked confidence in his game until this year, but when the confidence kicked in, he became a dynamic scorer in the halfcourt and transition.
30. Willie Warren, Oklahoma
Probably only 6-2½ in bare feet, but Warren can still score. He was injured, both mentally and physically, this year as his team simply imploded both while he was in the lineup and while he was hurt. A poor man's Ben Gordon, Warren can flat-out score and is a willing passer. He must grow up in his interpersonal relationships with coaches and teammates, but make no mistake: when his head is right, he can really play.
Lessons learned in Las Vegas, Part II
I spent two days this week with trainer Joe Abunassar, of Impact Basketball in Vegas, looking at a number of first-round prospects. Abunassar has a great track record with clients like Kevin Garnett, Chauncey Billups, Danny Granger, Rudy Gay and many others. This year he has a whopping 20-plus prospects in his gym preparing for the draft.
Below are the final five things I learned. (You can check out the first five from Thursday's blog entry right here.)
1. Stanley Robinson and Devin Ebanks remain enigmatic.
Robinson is every bit the athlete we thought he was in college. He's super bouncy, runs the floor like a guard and finishes strong at the rim. He also showed some of that inconsistency we saw at UConn. He'd drill five shots in a row and then throw up a couple of air balls. He was clearly distracted Tuesday (more on that later). But on Day 2 he played with much more confidence.
Ebanks was very different than the scouting report I had on him. He isn't nearly as long (a 6-foot-9 wingspan) nor is he as explosive athletically as I thought he'd be. He's not a bad athlete; he's just not a freakish one. He also didn't wow me in the individual drills Tuesday.
However, once we got to the 3-on-3 portion Wednesday, he was more skilled and more effective as a scorer than what I saw at West Virginia. Ebanks showed a very good midrange game, attacked the basket and played tough defense.
I'm still trying to get a handle on where both of these guys will go. Both players have their selling points and, at one time during the year, both were ranked in the late lottery on our Big Board. I think their personalities and off-court questions will ultimately determine their fate. If teams believe that they'll work hard and stay out of trouble, both are first-round talents. If they can't convince teams that they have the maturity they need, they could both slip into the second round.
What I saw from both of them in terms of professionalism and maturity in Vegas was promising. But two days isn't enough to definitively answer the questions for NBA teams.
2. Dwayne Collins is really long.
Miami's Collins gets the award for the most extreme measurements I've ever seen. Collins measured 6-6½ in socks yet sported an incredible 7-4 wingspan. I went back and checked our database of measurements from the NBA pre-draft camp and I believe he has the largest disparity ever (9½ inches) between his height and wingspan.
Collins isn't the most skilled big man you'll find, but he's a very good athlete and tries to rip down the rim on every possession. He goes at the basket so strong that players were yelling "Watch your head, Dwayne!" when he'd go up for a dunk. They weren't kidding. A couple of times he almost dinged his forehead on the rim.
3. Jeremy Lin isn't ready for the league.
At some point during the season there was a "Jeremy Lin for the NBA" movement afoot. Lin had a great career at Harvard and put up big numbers against some credible college opponents.
I wanted to like Lin coming in. He's an interesting guy with a good basketball pedigree who chose the path less taken (it seems like it's easier to get a Supreme Court gig than an NBA one coming out of Harvard these days).
But after watching him for two days, in both drills and in 3-on-3 action, I don't think he's ready for the NBA. He's a very good basketball player, but I didn't think he measured up athletically to the other pro prospects in the gym. I think he has the potential to have a good pro career overseas, but I don't think we'll see him in the NBA -- not yet anyway.
4. Here are your combine numbers.
Everyone loves the combine info, whether it's wingspans, vertical jumps or the infamous bench pressing numbers. (For the record, I have no idea how bench pressing a 185-pound bar translates to NBA success.)
My experience over the years is that the numbers aren't great predictors of NBA success. Remember three years ago when Kevin Durant tested as the worst athlete in the draft? Exactly.
But, I know you want the info anyway and Abunassar was kind enough to supply it. Here's a table breaking down all the info we were able to get. Have fun with it.
[h4]COMBINE RESULTS[/h4][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Ht.[/th][th=""]Ht. w/shoes[/th][th=""]Wt.[/th][th=""]Wingspan[/th][th=""]Standing Reach[/th][th=""]Body Fat %[/th]
Craig Brackins 6-8 ½ 6-9 ½ 226 6-11 ½ 9-0 8.4 Dwayne Collins 6-6 ½ 6-8 230 7-4- 9-1 ½ N/A James Anderson 6-4 ½ 6-6 ½ 202 6-8 8-7 ½ N/A Stanley Robinson 6-7 6-8 ½ 213 7-0 8-11 10.1 Devin Ebanks 6-8 6-9 ½ 206 6-9 8-10 9.7 Lance Stephenson 6-4 ½ 6-6 227 6-10 ½ 8-6 ½ 9.4 Manny Harris 6-3 ½ 6-5 177 6-8 8-4 7.4 Avery Bradley 6-1 ½ 6-3 176 6-7 8-3 ½ 7.6
[h4]COMBINE RESULTS[/h4][th=""]Name[/th][th=""]Vertical (inches)[/th][th=""]Lane Agility (s)[/th][th=""]3/4 Sprint (s)[/th][th=""]Bench Press (reps)[/th]
Craig Brackins 40 11.62 3.69 8 Dwayne Collins 34 ½ 12.22 3.29 23 James Anderson 34 ½ 11.62 3.21 15 Stanley Robinson 38 ½ 12.36 3.15 10 Devin Ebanks 35 11.97 3.53 6 Lance Stephenson 35 ½ 11.67 3.28 N/A Manny Harris 36 ½ 12.02 3.22 10 Avery Bradley 37 ½ 11.51 3.03 N/A
5. Stanley Robinson is good guy.
Finally, an anecdote -- one of my favorites in the past 15 years of covering the draft.
On Tuesday, Robinson really struggled. His nerves got the best of him when I walked into the gym, and in an effort to impress, he ended up pressing too hard and didn't look great.
Robinson, if you remember, lost his confidence at the end of his sophomore season at UConn. He left the team for a little bit and worked in a steel yard. Finally, coach Jim Calhoun rescued him, and Robinson went on to turn his career around during his junior season. Robinson said, "Coach Calhoun taught me how to be a man. I'll forever be grateful for that."
On Wednesday morning, Robinson grabbed me just before I was going to interview him. He stuck out his hand for a handshake and said, "Mr. Ford. I'm Stanley Robinson. I just want to apologize for yesterday. I played terribly. I was trying to impress you and, well, you saw what happened."
In all my years of doing this, I've never had a prospect apologize for a lousy performance. I found out later that Robinson had stayed up much of the night, worrying about how he had played. I was taken aback. I didn't really know what to say. But then something occurred to me.
"Did you see the Celtics-Cavs game last night?" I asked.
Robinson nodded.
"LeBron James was awful," I said. "I'm not sure why exactly. I'm not sure if it was an injury, or the pressure, or something else going on in his life. We don't know. But here's what I'm thinking. If LeBron James, the best player in the world, can have a bad night, so can you. Shake it off and show me what you've got today."
Robinson grinned from ear to ear. We sat down and talked for another 10 minutes or so. He's a super-nice kid. He was very thoughtful talking about what happened during his career. The theme was clear: When he has confidence, there isn't much he can't do on the court.
I'm happy to report Robinson put that shaky Tuesday performance behind him Wednesday. He came out and played with confidence. He shot the ball with range. He attacked the basket. His team -- Sherron Collins, Lin and himself -- went 7-1 in the 3-on-3 games. He looked like a lottery pick.
As I was pondering the experience on the way home, and in the midst of all the LeBron backlash that came after Game 5, it put things into perspective a bit for me. As a sportswriter, I've failed at times to see the humanity of the players I cover. I sometimes expect them not to have weaknesses, to perform like machines, to not make mistakes on and off the court. When they fail, I am disappointed, and on occasion overreact -- judging without having all the facts. I don't always give them the slack I'd give myself or any other normal human being I know.
Robinson reminded me Wednesday that pro athletes aren't that different from the rest of us. They have good days and bad days. They are proud when they succeed. Beat themselves up when they fail. But unlike us, they put themselves out there on a public stage for the whole world to see.
I for one, as a fan of the game, am grateful that they do. That they put themselves out there in the pursuit of greatness.
If one thing was clear from my time in Vegas it was this: Stanley Robinson is right -- Calhoun did teach him how to be a man.