Official NBA 2012-2013 Season Thread

[Bert.]

Question: Did Blake's knee injury over the summer really slow him down? I've been surprised by how much his production has gone down.

The numbers are slightly down, but a lot is just playing less minutes really.

Everyone craps on him for his lack of offensive moves, but it's really improved.

He can't do anything other than dunk so exactly what other offensive game does be have?

 

[pmatic]

Right hook over left shoulder, left jump hook and he's shooting better than LaMarcus Aldridge, Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap from 16-23 feet so far this year. *Shrug*

 

[big j 33]

It's Zyzz, Griffin sucking is one of those lame arguments he irrationally sticks too.. Like there being 50 point guards better than Lin.

 

[dt43]

So I just randomly checked Austin River's game log.


In his last seven games, he's shooting 8% (3-25). :x

He's played well the past month.

I read somewhere that he's having one of the worst statistical seasons of any player in NBA history.


This is what happens when you put a college-level player in the NBA. Rivers should still be at Duke right now.

He is. By the numbers anyway

[h3]Austin Rivers Currently Having NBA's Worst WARP Season On Record[/h3]

Dec 26, 2012 2:43 PM EST

Austin Rivers projects to rate nearly seven wins worse than a replacement-level player by a player metric developed by Kevin Pelton, which would be the worst WARP score in the 34 seasons on record. The data pool starts with 1979-80, the first NBA season with the 3-point line.
Jason Collins, Adam Morrison, Michael Curry and Desmond Mason are the five other players with the worst WARP seasons.
Rivers is making just 34.6 percent of his attempts inside the 3-point line.

http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ently_Having_NBAs_Worst_WARP_Season_On_Record

And things have only gotten worse since January started

I wonder if dude was gassed up all his life because he was Doc's son, and now that he's being brought back down to earth he's having a breakdown. He needs to learn to play within himself like everyone else.

 

[carltonjunior]

@Zyzz

An offensive game that can get him 20 a night as well as being an unarguable top 3 rebounder for his position

 

[Bert.]

It's Zyzz, Griffin sucking is one of those lame arguments he irrationally sticks too.. Like there being 50 point guards better than Lin.

Griffin isn't that good

 

[bigmike23]

melo is fasting on food for the past 2 weeks?

 

[solarius49]

I'm not a Clipps fan, but its hard to imagine that someone who averages 21, 11, 3.5 for their career "sucks"

he needs to work on this shot blocking though

 

[pmatic]

melo is fasting on food for the past 2 weeks?

No wonder he got so mad at KG for mentioning Honey Nut Cheerios.

 

[miamib30514]

I think that was his first bucket in the league.

I always get confused between that dunk or the fadeaway jumper.

Bron's first bucket was the jumper.

 

[nationaltruckerdave]

Blake Griffin haters are annoying

Dude is gonna go down as a great when it's all said and done

Just watch

 

[bigmike23]

Right hook over left shoulder, left jump hook and he's shooting better than LaMarcus Aldridge, Carlos Boozer and Paul Millsap from 16-23 feet so far this year. *Shrug*

dont all 3 guys shoot from that spot more then he does tho? and boozer shooting numbers have gone done from year to year so take his bum *** out

his offense game is still raw, but u can tell he has worked on a few moves he just needs to polish them. he still struggles when guys push him out the post tho.

 

[BIG LEEMELONE]

No wonder he got so mad at KG for mentioning Honey Nut Cheerios.

repped

 

[shoeking2101]

posting an article I saw

Five NBA Players Who Don’t Deserve the Hall of Fame


Allen Iverson
Man, we’re talking about the Hall of Fame… not the game… not the game… the Hall of Fame. The argument can certainly be made that an 11-time All-Star, a four-time scoring champion, and the 2001 Most Valuable Player deserves to be in the Hall of Fame. There is little doubt Allen Iverson will be one day in the Hall of Fame. However, the question remains whether or not he really deserves to be a Hall of Famer.

It’s hard to imagine a man whose most famous sound bite about an aversion to ‘practice would qualify. The Baseball Hall of Fame has had questions about several of its statistical leaders. Pete Rose is not in the Hall of Fame. Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens are both questionable. Mark McGwire probably will never see the inside of the Hall. You may argue that all of those were examples of the Steroid Era. You can argue that on some level they cheated and that is why they are out.

Iverson was never proven to use any performance enhancing drugs. This doesn’t mean Iverson didn’t harm the game. This does not mean that Iverson made the game better. This simply means that Iverson did not cheat. Iverson never elevated his teammates to a title during all those years. Other than a crossover dribble and tenaciousness, no coach would actively encourage a player to go out and play like Iverson. Ultimately, you want someone in the Hall of Fame to be someone you can project as a shining example of your game. If Iverson is that, then the game has as many or more problems than baseball ever did.


Tracy McGrady

A career stat that you generally do not want to see on a potential Hall of Fame resume is “played on 6 teams in 12 years.” There is a case for many great journeymen being in the Hall of Fame. Let’s analyze the deeper statistic on McGrady. He has not won or been nominated for a league award in the last four years. McGrady-led teams never made it past the second round of the playoffs. The entire argument for McGrady lies in his early potential. That potential seemed to be maximized when both McGrady and Grant Hill (we’ll get to him in a minute) signed with the Orlando Magic before the 2000 season.

The Magic were coming off of an improbable playoff appearance with a team of scrappy journeymen led by a young coach named Glen ‘Doc’ Rivers. The signing of McGrady and Hill to max contracts wrecked the team for years to come. McGrady was traded to the Houston Rockets four years later and again failed to improve his new team. Since 2007, McGrady has simply been a name as well as a non-factor on most rosters (and there have been plenty). Does any of that sound like Hall of Fame material?


Vince Carter

Let’s examine all that you need to know about the man once known as ‘Vinsanity.’ Before the New Jersey Nets, Orlando Magic and Dallas Mavericks put Vince Carter on their roster, they were in the NBA finals. After actively seeking Carter’s services, all three teams didn’t go back to the NBA Finals… ever again. He was known in his younger days for being one of the most gifted dunkers of all time who benefited from a lot of misguided hype.

He’s also a slashing binge scorer. Again, like with McGrady, teams shouldn’t grow tired of or get rid of a future Hall of Famer as the last few have done with Vince Carter. Again, Carter hasn’t even been an All-Star since 2007. There isn’t even sympathy voting for Carter at this time. Once the circus dunks and SportsCenter highlights stop, you are left with a player who is a spark off the bench and will not elevate your team at all.

Grant Hill

The reason why this one hurts so much is that you really want to see Grant Hill in the Hall of Fame. Hill is a nice guy. He is a great sportsman and a wonderful humanitarian. There is every reason to want to see Hill in the Hall of Fame. However, there aren’t many actual reasons to put him in.

He certainly had the potential to be a Hall of Famer. In an era dominated by hip hop and thug basketball, Grant Hill was the star that the NBA wanted you to focus on. Unfortunately, his entire career has been beset by injuries and a lack of championship rings. If he won a championship this year, it would be as a utility player with a limited role. He hasn’t been an All-Star since 2005.

You simply can’t elect a living player to the Basketball Hall of Fame based on potential or lost potential. Hill may yet make it in and everyone will say, “What a great guy.” But you are supposed to say,”That’s a true Hall of Famer.”

Anfernee Hardaway

If only Hall of Fame inductions were based on TV commercials, Hardaway would have nearly made it in on the strength of ‘lil Penny. Unfortunately for Hardaway, that is not the way it works and one of the truly great commercial series of all time was far too brief. Hardaway looked like he was destined to be Magic Johnson to Shaquille O’Neal when they were together with the Orlando Magic.

But his career became riddled with injuries as well as fractious relationships with head coaches. The end came as being trade bait with questionable knees as well as a mercy stint on the end of the Miami Heat’s bench. This was about the same time that O’Neal was still being hailed as the Heat’s savior. If that doesn’t particularly sound like a Hall of Fame career and you are missing a championship somewhere in there, then we would tend to agree with you.

He is. By the numbers anyway


http://basketball.realgm.com/wireta...ently_Having_NBAs_Worst_WARP_Season_On_Record

And things have only gotten worse since January started

 

[shoeking2101]

Yikesss. Imo it's Austin's confidence. He's not this bad, at least I didn't think so coming into this year.

Lol at that Hall of Fame article. How can you even be taking seriously saying "Allen Iverson doesn't belong in the HoF

 

[solarius49]

so Paul George wasnt fouled there? ok

 

[Bert.]

Blake Griffin haters are annoying

Dude is gonna go down as a great when it's all said and done

Just watch

:Rollin


Based off what? I don't see greatness in him. He does work but he has no offensive game. All he can do is dunk while committing offensive fouls half the timw

 

[shoeking2101]

:Rollin


Based off what? I don't see greatness in him. He does work but he has no offensive game. All he can do is dunk while committing offensive fouls half the timw

I'm not the biggest Blake fan but if you are legitimately watching Blake and coming away with this then Idk what to say to you. This just isn't true. All he can do is dunk? Really? You not watching.

 

[noblekane]

i think allen iverson should be a hof

the rest i agree shouldnt

 

[solarius49]

The Pacers consistently have the worst arena music, and halftime entertainment, probably in the entire NBA

 

[bigmike23]

The Pacers consistently have the worst arena music, and halftime entertainment, probably in the entire NBA

its not like its that many fans in the stands to care what is played

 

[Johnny_Cakes]

Too many Laker fans come in here to cry about the negativity we get. We were the best franchise in the past decade, what do you guys expect when we're finally down for a spell? Stop worrying about what other people say and roll with the punches. Don't be a *****, deal with it.

what are you talking about?? too many Lakers fans crying?

fam it's like two or three Lakers fans who let Doo Doo Be, Quik and that other guy rustle their jimmies.


but just take a look at this thread whenever the Lakers lose. 5+ pages of Phil Jackson pics and slick talk

but it's coo, it's all fun a jokes (at least for me).

That may be true, I'm probably seeing the quoted complaints over and over again and thinking it's different people. I'm just getting annoyed at the ones who throw a fit when DBD and quik do their thing. It's like, what do you expect, for people to feel sorry for you? Get over yourselves

 

[blazers21ntnp]

Hill (2x NCAA Champ, ACC POY, 1st & 2nd Team All-American, NBA ROY, All-NBA First Team, 4x All-NBA Second Team, 7x All-Star, Olympic Gold Medalist) and Iverson are both undoubtedly HOFers. Vince will probably get in (eventually) because he'll be top 30 in points scored when he retires.

 

[antidope]

Lol Grant hill not going. It's obvious that the writer forgot that this is the BASKETBALL hall of fame not the NBA. Vincent is going, because of how high he will be on all time scoring list, I said that when iI started this conversation pages ago

 

[duba169]

I don't see how this year's NBA season thread is so much different than previous years. There've been trolls/idiots in every season thread every year. Sure, it sucks having the Do Be Doos/Quiks of the board posting about the Lakers non-stop, but you guys don't remember the past 2 years when the "LeBron needs more help!" crowd would flood the thread after every Heat loss? The 15-20 pages every time the Heat were involved in a crunch time situation, win or lose?

The way I see it, you guys are just noticing it more now because this year the Lakers are the butt of jokes instead of the Heat.

It's 100% not as hardcore as the last few years. Most people seem to be kind of sympathetic to the lakers even when clowning them

I know because I loved those floodgates nights haha

**** lebron and the heat tho.

Put them in the west and watch how fast they **** up

Seriously tho the lakers fans ain't even getting it bad. And you have mad chips. It's like me as as Yankees fan getting pissed. No reason. Talk to me when you have a bad decade