I aint saying he's the epitome of evil. I'm just not going to feel sorry for dude when he reveals a sad story about his past and I'm not gonna forget it just cuz the character appears to have changed.
I don't play the game of there's more evil ppl out there. This isn't the case of me putting a thief in the same category of a rapist or murderer. Jaime's intent was always to kill Bran.
I don't know why ppl keep saying this. It's only been mentioned that Targayens did it and so far all of them are dead but one and no nobody loves any living Targaryens that are actively engaging in incest. So please stop with this tired excuse.
What you're doing about the attempted murder of Bran is call rationalizing. If you want to simplify that act like it's any old thing everybody does you're twisted. Plus all of the ppl you're mentioning aint even likeable. Robert was a drunk and an a-hole. Tywin is a prick. These are not even admirable characters. This house crap is just more bull **** anyway.
Call me when Tyrion starts raping little girls and killing kids in their sleep to keep the "honor of their house"
you think that way because your trying to view the story from a modern perspective. is pushing a little kid out of a window in order to protect your last name twisted in todays society? Yes, but so is 95% of all of the other things in the book. You say Robert is a drunk and an a-hole, so with Tywin, and this is true. But how come so many people love those 2 characters but hate jamie because he pushed a kid down a window. In my eyes, he is probably has more morals than both of the 2.
Also, if your judging things from a modern point of view, then which strong characters have honor in the series besides ned stark, robb stark, and dany? In those times killing other people, including women and children was sometimes necessary. Especially in jamies shoes. Imagine, if Bran told Robert? Cercei would be dead, so would tommen and myrcella which are both arounds brans age. Not to mention probably set off a war with Tywin lannister and result in the death of thousands of other innocents. Even if I had to make that decision, I would probably do what he did. A death of a boy > a death of thousands of other boys + my family name.
I'm viewing this from my perspective, I just happen to be living in modern times. I like fantasy and fiction and the story is great but I'm not going to change the way I think so I can fit in the times of a medieval fictional piece
I don't give a **** if a lot of ppl love Robert (wasn't aware of this) and Tywin (it's cuz he's scolding one other horrible person and when he does it to Tyrion ppl just root for him even more cuz even he has his vices). That has nothing to do with whether or not what certain characters do or say are good. This isn't an argument about who is more moral which is irrelvant given who you're choosing to compare Jaime to. Yes GoT has a lot of horrible and even good ppl doing terrible things that's not my point. I think you're confusing two separate things here. People can love Tywin or Jaime or even the Hound cuz they know this **** aint real. It's fiction. This is a story they're engaged with and they're along for the ride. In that same vein viewers can hate characters for those same reasons. It doesn't make what they actually do right or good in real life. I'm not saying in-story Jaime should never have done that, I'm saying he should die for it and I'm saying even in-story there is no justification for it, hence the sequence of events that led to war between the North and KL.
Just to be clear I don't give a **** about honor in the story or in modern times. That's most times just another dumb thing to die for when you hold yourself to principles you can't reasonably keep.
It doesn't matter if it was necessary. If it was revealed in the story right now that Jaime threw Bran out a window because he was upholding the honor of his house because he got caught committing incest to everyone he'd be crucified. So I don't know what ******ed logic your even getting this reasoning from. What Jaime did is not honorable. It's not understandable. It's only necessary because he's willing to do anything not to get caught and not further ruin his family's name. Everything he did in regards to what I'm talking about was because he lacked honor.
As far as the consequences for what you're trying to point to as a necessary act
Half of that has already come to pass.
There is a war. Innocents have already died. Only exception is the children born from incest are not dead. Cersi deserves to die. So, so what if she does? Don't do the crime if you're not willing to suffer the consequences. The children dying would be up to King Robert but with Ned at his side he could've found away to send them back to Tywin unharmed, of course Tywin would've probably killed them once the truth was out so there's that. Incest children die, that's just how it is during those times. Also it is not some fact that Tywin would definitely go to war if it was proven that Cersi and Jaime committed incest and they and her children were killed for it. Even if he did, Tywin would lose. There's no way he'd stand against the King's army and the other banner houses backing him. Tywin had problems with Robb's men, he would not survive against them along with Stannis' army.
If you want to put yourself in Jaime's shoes go ahead. I'm saying off the jump he should've never put himself in that position but because he's an awful person for the most part or went down the path to become one he doesn't even care about those possible situations. He let his **** think for him and he got ****** in the *** for it. This isn't some time travel kill baby Hitler hypothetical. You're not saving lives by pushing a kid out a window to hide incest.
If you live your life by doing w/e you want no matter if it's right or wrong and then when put in a bind because of those reckless actions and then do things out of "necessity" you deserve whatever is coming to you cuz you put yourself in that position. What you're basically saying is if I got caught raping some chick it's okay if I kill the witness to get away with the crime
and you're trying to put the location and time frame from the story (as if it wasn't a crime then like it is now) around that scenario to further justify those actions
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