- Jan 11, 2013
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So I've Heard That D&D Changed GRRM's Original Ending:
https://moviechat.org/tt0944947/Gam...eard-that-DandD-changed-GRRMs-original-ending
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22521737 411 replies down.
https://moviechat.org/tt0944947/Gam...eard-that-DandD-changed-GRRMs-original-ending
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22521737 411 replies down.
Okay! Over at the Datalounge a totally anonymous posted some gossip about changes in the ending, and sometimes *some* of the gossip over there turns out to be true. So here's what that totally anonymous person said about the ending:
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"So I asked, (apparently I’m not the only one asking questions about what happened right now), and managed to get a few new bits of information. GRRM has made it clear he’s ‘not pleased’ with how the show ended behind closed doors. Things were already strained between him and D&D, but this was the final straw. It’s categorically NOT the ending he had planned for the characters. The good thing is that it’s finally lit a rocket up his *** to finish the next book...
"The original plan for S7 and 8 was quite different. Cersei’s pregnancy was meant to end with her miscarrying at the end of S7 as Jaime rode North. That scene was filmed, but held back, and then cut entirely. That was meant to signal the start of her spiralling into absolute madness. The whole nonsensical ‘Bronn being sent to kill Jaime and Tyrion’ plot is a hangover from that original outline, but he was meant to go after Sansa (who Cersei believed had her poisoned), and in turn Brienne, which was supposed to be the death knell for any reconciliation for the twins when Bronn came North and told Tyrion and Jaime about Cersei plans. That was the set up for Jaime being the Valonqar, which morphed into Jon killing Dany.
"Dany was always meant to lose it after being provoked by Cersei, but the situation was a lot less black and white. With nothing left to lose, Bat**** Cersei was going to outright threaten to blow up King’s Landing with the remaining wildfire. Dany still ends up razing the capital, but it’s in the aftermath of a far more even battle. She wins, but but everyone (including Grey Worm) she brought West with her dies. Both Jon and Tyrion walk away from her too, and she commands Drogon to melt the throne and flies back East.
"George is working towards a return to seven independent kingdoms in the books, but they cut so many of his characters that is was never a realistic option. In the show, Jon was meant to sit on the throne originally, with Jaime, in the aftermath of killing Cersei, paying for his crimes by serving as his Hand. They essentially split the two major beats of Jaime’s arc, killing his Queen and becoming Hand, between Jon and Tyrion and ****** him (and Cersei) over, because HBO wanted to ensure that Kit, Emilia and particularly Peter would get a shot at Emmys. (Nikolaj and Lena were smart enough to realise that their character arcs were being sacrificed.) King Bran was the result of D&D being OBSESSED with reading online theories and wanting to come out of left field. There was also discussion of how it would be perceived if they removed a woman from the throne and placed a man there instead. ‘Bran the Broken’, as a disabled character, was the compromise. The second hand embarrassment is ****** painful! "
https://www.datalounge.com/thread/22521737 444 replies down.
And a bit later, someone who seems to be the same guy added:
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"No, Sansa and Brienne would both live, but Bronn would make it explicitly clear to Tyrion and Jaime that he’d find a way to get to them if they didn’t make a better offer to him than Cersei already had. Bronn hedging his bets was always planned. It was just less nonsensical. It was about bringing things back around to Jaime betraying Cersei and sending Brienne after Sansa. I know it was scripted in the S7 finale that Cersei would notice Brienne carrying Oathkeeper in the Dragon Pit. It may have been filmed as well, but I’m not sure.
"Sansa becoming Queen in the North was always intended. There was far more meaning to Jaime and Brienne hooking up originally. Jon chooses Jaime as his hand because because he wants someone who’d be prepared to stop him should he overstep the mark. Who better than someone who’s killed their King/Queen twice over? Jaime was meant to be the checks and balances. He was meant to marry Brienne and she was going to be the checks and balances on the checks and balances. It would also strengthen the links between the Six Kingdoms and the newly independent North. (The political aspect of a Jaime/Brienne union comes straight from George.)
"Jon and Jaime ruling together in the show was foreshadowed in the first couple of episodes. When Jon Arryn’s body is barely cold, Cersei tells Jaime that he should be hand. They also specifically added the non-book scene where Jon and Jaime meet and discuss being in the Kingsguard and the Night’s Watch for life. The original intention was always that they’d return to that. "