Official 2017 Knicks Offseason thread, Phil Jackson gone

[johnnyredstorm]

We talk about tanking more than Sam Hinkie. I'm tired of this ****. We need to build continuity.

 

[ZOMBAVELI THE DON]

nah yall need to tank especially this year

 

[art vandelay]

Kind of tired of the fallback being "let's just tank". It is a vicious cycle that goes like this:

End of previous season-preaseason: "we need to get players x,y, and z," we get said players and have hope for a bright season.

During the season: we suck and players x,y, and z usually didn't pan out.

During the season: "it's Melo/ Coach (insert name)/ Phil/ Steve/ Dolan's fault we suck

During the season: "Trade Melo/waive the NTC Melo". Neither happen.

During the season: "Haven't done enough to go forward/ done too much to go back". Stuck in Eastern Conference purgatory.

During the season: still suck/ can't trade Melo/ let's tank.

During the season: Inadvertently start the tank.

Trade deadline: Get fleeced.

FA /Offseason: Get spurned by players that would really help.

Start the cycle again. Did I leave anything out, oh yeah, the obligatory blame Tyson/STAT's contract/ amnestied Billups instead of STAT/dumb*^% Bargs trade/ Shumpert was trash/ Earl was too drunk/Felton's too fat/Woodson is a bad coach/ Rambis had a ill porn fetish/ Fisher is scared of Barnes after catching a fade/

 

[Air Pope]

Kind of tired of the fallback being "let's just tank". It is a vicious cycle that goes like this:

End of previous season-preaseason: "we need to get players x,y, and z," we get said players and have hope for a bright season.

During the season: we suck and players x,y, and z usually didn't pan out.

During the season: "it's Melo/ Coach (insert name)/ Phil/ Steve/ Dolan's fault we suck

During the season: "Trade Melo/waive the NTC Melo". Neither happen.

During the season: "Haven't done enough to go forward/ done too much to go back". Stuck in Eastern Conference purgatory.

During the season: still suck/ can't trade Melo/ let's tank.

During the season: Inadvertently start the tank.

Trade deadline: Get fleeced.

FA /Offseason: Get spurned by players that would really help.

Start the cycle again. Did I leave anything out, oh yeah, the obligatory blame Tyson/STAT's contract/ amnestied Billups instead of STAT/dumb*^% Bargs trade/ Shumpert was trash/ Earl was too drunk/Felton's too fat/Woodson is a bad coach/ Rambis had a ill porn fetish/ Fisher is scared of Barnes after catching a fade/

Repped. All facts. What we need to hope for is that we finally escape this trash cycle.

 

[art vandelay]

My only question is how many more weeks until this is the off-season thread?

 

[8pm at msg]

The draft has brought us something we can work with in Kristaps, this year is very talent heavy. We aren't building teams properly through free agency. Might as well use the draft. All we've been signing is reclamation guys for years.

I don't get why y'all are so against this. Ain't no reward or badge of honor being given out for not tanking. Young, cost controlled talent is the best way going forward. We are already stuck in a vicious cycle, trying quick fixes. Where's the continuity in that? Just failure.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

I'm fine w building through the draft, I just wouldn't go about it by blowing it all up again. Trade rose and Noah or buy them out. Get rid of the guys who aren't playing integral roles in this team. But maintain a core and build continuity. Guys like Lee, Melo, KOQ, BJ, Kuz, KP and Willy are good enough foundation pieces. Add talented youngsters and useful vets around them and that'll rebuild the franchise. Going all out Hinkie doesn't do ****.

 

[Air Pope]

My only question is how many more weeks until this is the off-season thread?

Technically, a loss to the Sixers should automatically make this an offseason thread.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

Look at the Spurs. They never tanked. One bad season, got their Duncan and continued to scout exceptionally well and find talented players. They built around what they had. No reason we can't do that.

 

[squatchnt]

Tanking would be an improvement at this point one of those "I meant to do that seasons" We gonna eff around and be in the lottery without trying

I'm with at @onewearz. We gotta start fining cats for smiling during the game, I don't care if we up by 20 in the 4th with a minute left. Goon up!

 

[you go boy]

if only we lost more games towards the end of the season instead of going on a winning streak we coulda had towns instead of KP

 

[sonoftony]

this team infuriates me >:

 

[harlemtothebronx]

if only we lost more games towards the end of the season instead of going on a winning streak we coulda had towns instead of KP

Stop it.

 

[big j 33]

What a disappointing string of play, capped off by that loss last night.

I don't even know what the fix is this season. 

 

[harlemtothebronx]

 
What a disappointing string of play, capped off by that loss last night.

I don't even know what the fix is this season. 

Well, my close friend who I avoid Knicks discussion with thinks we should trade Derrick Rose and Brandon Jennings for Chris Paul.

Reminded me why everyone makes fun of Knicks fans.

"Wait for LeBron in 2018."

 

[8pm at msg]

I'm fine w building through the draft, I just wouldn't go about it by blowing it all up again. Trade rose and Noah or buy them out. Get rid of the guys who aren't playing integral roles in this team. But maintain a core and build continuity. Guys like Lee, Melo, KOQ, BJ, Kuz, KP and Willy are good enough foundation pieces. Add talented youngsters and useful vets around them and that'll rebuild the franchise. Going all out Hinkie doesn't do ****.

Understandable. I just don't think certain pieces of this core are worth keeping to justify that idea but I get it.

 

[100027]

if only we lost more games towards the end of the season instead of going on a winning streak we coulda had towns instead of KP

Funny thing is Minnesota is probably the one team having a more disappointing season than NYC.

 

[you go boy]

i disagree... our season is more disappointing to be honest... our team is built to compete right now not an elite team but at least a .500 team that can make the playoffs while minnesota is a young team built for the future.. we signed lee, resigned lance, overpaid noah and traded for rose for no reason but to lose a lot this year... i agree keep the core and get rid of everyone else... the only good signings was kuz and willie but everyone else is not a good fit here and it was a waste of time signing or trading for those players...theres still time to turn the season around but the way they played recently it doesnt look promising... one more huge losing streak and its definitely over for the season

 

[pr0phecy718]

On the plus side, I met a girl that's a knick fan. I think she's a keeper lol

 

[worldbeefreeg]

Actually going all out Hinkie does work...

They have a future Superstar, amazing pieces (noel/Saric), a possible another star in Simmons and another top 3 pick coming plus the Lakers pick probably.

They will be very good at some point soon in the next five years.


And its laughable to say the Knicks have foundational pieces. We have KP and that's it. No one over 30 is a foundational piece on a team that won't even win more than 32 games.

Tanking isn't always the answer but it is the smart move in many situations. As I said before the season, this team is going nowhere fast.

Our ceiling was the 8th seed if everthing went right, if everything went wrong, we would probably land a top 7 pick.


Being in that position is worse than being the worst team in the league and its why the Knicks haven't been good in almost 20 years now cause we aren't in a position to get the best talent through the draft but yet we aren't even a playoff team.

 

[100027]

i disagree... our season is more disappointing to be honest... our team is built to compete right now not an elite team but at least a .500 team that can make the playoffs while minnesota is a young team built for the future.. we signed lee, resigned lance, overpaid noah and traded for rose for no reason but to lose a lot this year... i agree keep the core and get rid of everyone else... the only good signings was kuz and willie but everyone else is not a good fit here and it was a waste of time signing or trading for those players...theres still time to turn the season around but the way they played recently it doesnt look promising... one more huge losing streak and its definitely over for the season

I guess that's debatable based on expectations but IDK man. I think for Minnesota it's worse because they thought they had all the pieces there. Now it looks like it might have to get blown up again (also Thibs has been a disaster). Realistic Knick fans knew there is still work to do in terms of building the roster.

 

[ballinsam23]

On the plus side, I met a girl that's a knick fan. I think she's a keeper lol

Man if you really like her you gotta keep her around.

My ex was the biggest headache of all time, but when i met her she said "i'm a nets and yankees fan, but you can transform me to a knick fan." She started buying sexy *** knicks tank tops and **** lol. Huge red flag right there though, shoulda known ***** wasnt loyal. Miss getting head during the games in my dorm though

 

[Sonny Corinthos]

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lol, they still haven't even moved Rubio

 

[kingfoamnyc]

This team is bad. Like really bad. This team has some of the worst defense I've ever seen in my life. Top 5 pick worthy

 

[Air Pope]

This team is bad. Like really bad. This team has some of the worst defense I've ever seen in my life. Top 5 pick worthy

Fax. Our defense literally single handedly makes us horrible.