Official 2016-2017 NBA Season Thread - NBA rules Chris Bosh has a career ending injury

[ill steelo]

Dwight is not the issue in Atlanta. He's been their best player

Better performance without Dwight in the game is not exclusive to Bazemore, either. Seven different Hawks have played at least 100 minutes with Howard this season. Six of them have a better Net Rating when playing without Dwight than with him."

@ Dwight being the Hawks "best" player.

The disrespect on Paul Milsap name is palpable.

Hawks best lineups in +/- don't even have Dwight in them.

He played good in the beginning of the year but has only gotten worse as time has gone on.

Sap has been better the past few years, not this one.

Dwight Moose & Korver are their only guys shooting well above league average TS%, and he still cleans the glass at an elite level.

Meanwhile Sap is having his worst season in years. So yes, through the first quarter of the season, Dwight's been better.

And yea, I would expect lineups w/ Sap & w/o Dwight to be doing fine given the system that's been in place for the past 3 years. They go from having a system that capitalizes on having shooters at all 5 positions at all times, to now having Dwight out there. You have to tweak the system a bit for that, and that takes time. They still have several lineups w/ Dwight that have showed promise.

Their 4th most used lineup is the starters w/ Thabo instead of Korver & they're a +18

Baze, THJr, Dennis, Thabo, & him are a +71,

He Sap Dennis Jr & Thabo are +32.

And yes, there are several other lineups w/ Paul & w/o Dwight that are thriving, which doesn't disprove anything I just said.

 

[trueprada]

 hbd

 

[freeze]

hands are crazy. son got webbed fingers. next stage of evolution.

 

[trueprada]

 

[addict4sneakers]

Ask Kawhi, he don't want with Giannis.

Noooo

 

[awwsome]

Sap has been better the past few years, not this one.

Dwight Moose & Korver are their only guys shooting well above league average TS%, and he still cleans the glass at an elite level.

Meanwhile Sap is having his worst season in years. So yes, through the first quarter of the season, Dwight's been better.

And yea, I would expect lineups w/ Sap & w/o Dwight to be doing fine given the system that's been in place for the past 3 years. They go from having a system that capitalizes on having shooters at all 5 positions at all times, to now having Dwight out there. You have to tweak the system a bit for that, and that takes time. They still have several lineups w/ Dwight that have showed promise.

Their 4th most used lineup is the starters w/ Thabo instead of Korver & they're a +18

Baze, THJr, Dennis, Thabo, & him are a +71,

He Sap Dennis Jr & Thabo are +32.

And yes, there are several other lineups w/ Paul & w/o Dwight that are thriving, which doesn't disprove anything I just said.

Milsap still has the best BPM on the team, Dwight is 6th.

Just because he has a better TS% (which he should because none of his shots are away from the rim) doesn't mean he's been a more positive player.

Same with rebounding.

No matter how you wanna play it, he hasn't been the best player.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.

I agree that there needs to be tweaks made and obviously Thabo should be playing more but Milsap has and will continue to be the best player on the team.

Doesn't even make sense to think otherwise.

We've just seen them get smashed in multiple games without him while Dwight was out there, come on b.

 

[freeze]

kawhi went from top 5 to not mentioned at all.

Alphabet

 

[awwsome]

 hbd

Unbelievable that he's JUST turning 22.

Can't even imagine what he looks like at 27-28. :x


28/11/8.5/2.6/2.8 on 51% from the field.

 

[atransta]

Alphabet is putting on some muscle 

 

[bucksfan]

Miles Plumlee makes Meyers Leonard look like a steal. 

Plumlee been soft since he signed that contract...he needs to grow the beard back he had last season get some swagger about him

thank god Henson stepped up his game of late

and HBD Giannis!

kid putting up those numbers playing slightly less minutes than last year 

 

 

[awwsome]

Alphabet is putting on some muscle 

And eating his Home Grown Herbs.

 

[trueprada]

Unbelievable that he's JUST turning 22.

Can't even imagine what he looks like at 27-28.

28/11/8.5/2.6/2.8 on 51% from the field.

 

[dland24]

kawhi went from top 5 to not mentioned at all.

Alphabet

People should never have had him that high.  Period.

 

[ill steelo]

Sap has been better the past few years, not this one.

Dwight Moose & Korver are their only guys shooting well above league average TS%, and he still cleans the glass at an elite level.

Meanwhile Sap is having his worst season in years. So yes, through the first quarter of the season, Dwight's been better.

And yea, I would expect lineups w/ Sap & w/o Dwight to be doing fine given the system that's been in place for the past 3 years. They go from having a system that capitalizes on having shooters at all 5 positions at all times, to now having Dwight out there. You have to tweak the system a bit for that, and that takes time. They still have several lineups w/ Dwight that have showed promise.

Their 4th most used lineup is the starters w/ Thabo instead of Korver & they're a +18

Baze, THJr, Dennis, Thabo, & him are a +71,

He Sap Dennis Jr & Thabo are +32.

And yes, there are several other lineups w/ Paul & w/o Dwight that are thriving, which doesn't disprove anything I just said.

Milsap still has the best BPM on the team, Dwight is 6th.

Just because he has a better TS% (which he should because none of his shots are away from the rim) doesn't mean he's been a more positive player.

Same with rebounding.

No matter how you wanna play it, he hasn't been the best player.

Just because you want it to be true doesn't make it so.

I agree that there needs to be tweaks made and obviously Thabo should be playing more but Milsap has and will continue to be the best player on the team.

Doesn't even make sense to think otherwise.

We've just seen them get smashed in multiple games without him while Dwight was out there, come on b.

If you drill down that BPM, they both have negative O, Dwight w/ the higher D. Then you look at the offense as a whole, and you have a bunch of guys that are broke from 3 & still taking a bunch, including Sap.

And Dwight doesn't just have a higher TS% Sap's 52% is bad fam, but of course you gloss over that

And I don't give a **** if its true or not b da hell you talking about? I just want the team to win. It's a completely unbiased observation.

And I recall the Hornets game when ATL was on their way to a W, Dwight gets ejected, and they get ran off the court w/ Milsap out there. So I'm not sure what you're getting at with your last point.

 

[JD617]

Last year, Kawhi was

6th in PER

4th in WS

4th in BPM

5th in RPM

2nd in MVP voting, since I know you love awards

DPOY

Led his team to the 2nd best record

But sure, let's pretend he had no business being in the top 5 player convo for some weird reason, and let's throw the word "period" on the end like you always do, because that strengthens the argument.

 

[HIM]

2nd in MVP voting, since I know you love awards

For all you who don't frequent the MLB thread., you're missing out.


*Edited for being a chatty patty*

 

[JD617]

There weren't more than 5 players better than Kawhi last year. Period.

 

[Based Jesus]

 
There weren't more than 5 players better than Kawhi last year. Period.

Porzingod

Porzingod

Porzingod

Porzingod

Porzingod

.

 

[ThaxbyChamblis]

And eating his Home Grown Herbs.

Harold's Chicken from Jabari.

 

[awwsome]

If you drill down that BPM, they both have negative O, Dwight w/ the higher D. Then you look at the offense as a whole, and you have a bunch of guys that are broke from 3 & still taking a bunch, including Sap.

And Dwight doesn't just have a higher TS% Sap's 52% is bad fam, but of course you gloss over that

And I don't give a **** if its true or not b da hell you talking about? I just want the team to win. It's a completely unbiased observation.

And I recall the Hornets game when ATL was on their way to a W, Dwight gets ejected, and they get ran off the court w/ Milsap out there. So I'm not sure what you're getting at with your last point.

Their defensive BPM are 2.7 and 2.8.

@ that being "better" when if you know anything about defensive BPM, it's skewered TOWARDS rim protectors and he's only .1 higher. Not like it even matters for Dwight since he's so much more negative on offense.

You keep harping on TS% but that's going to happen when there is literally no space and you actually have to create shots which Dwight doesn't do, he just makes spacing worse and shoots at the rim.

Even still Dwight TS% is below his career average only shooting 8 shots a game.

Milsap TS% is still only .22% off of his all star season.


Like I said, it's not even a question or arguable.

 

[bhzmafia14]

im just now seeing this

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[firstclass]

im just now seeing this

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Will never not be funny

 

[Peep Game]

 

[hardens beard]

The simplest way for the Hawks to improve is to stop going to Dwight Howard in the post. A 0.77 PPP is awful for someone that is top 10 in post touches."

"0.77 PPP is like shooting 25.6% from three... Imagine a shooter like that asking for more shots."

 

[hardens beard]

Millsap is currently top 20 at 0.96 PPP, but his total possessions in the post and frequency of post ups are both lower than Howard's.