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KD know he's a ho3 that's why he can't even speak to Russ
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thats prolly part of it. Ma 6'1 flat footed. We damn near the same height. And you know bae wanna get in minimum 4" heels. So she needs a dude minimum 6'5. Most dudes 6'4 and up be wanting the shorties. The
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They shouldn't have snubbed harden for curry 2 years ago
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This whole MVP debate is going to be all anyone is talking about until June 26th. Strange that this year the league is gonna televise it and make an awards show of sorts.
IMO it's going to be Russ or Harden, and I believe Russ will get it. Yes Harden has had a historic season as has Russ... but looking at the stats, Hardens is large in part because of the D'antoni system and how the Rockets play. Yes you can cry all you want about Russ "stat padding" but Thunder offense relies on Russ to get those rebounds and push the ball up the court in transition. However, Harden actually does do the same exact thing time from time over the course of a game. Sure the Rockets have more wins and are in the 3rd seed in the West, but that is because they average 115.5 pts per game to the Thunders 106.7. No the MVP shouldn't be given to Russ soley because he broke a record no one ever thought would be broken or for averaging a triple double for the season. But the combination of those two things, plus losing the second best player in the league in KD, and doing what he has done with the team he has around him...the way he brings it 150% every night knowing he has to in order to even give the Thunder a chance at winning the game. That is why he deserves it this year. IF Russ was on the Rockets in Hardens place I don't think he'd have the same impact that Harden does and I doubt they'd have as many wins as they do, but that's because Harden fits perfectly into the Rockets system. IF Harden was in Russ's place on the Thunder, they would not have as many wins because he wouldn't have the shooters he has with the Rockets and he just doesn't do the little things Russ does every game nor does he have that same drive and desire to win like Russ does. Sure these are hypotheticals, but stats don't lie. What Russ has done this season is nothing short of phenomenal and that's is why you see all of his peers and former players acknowledging what the Brodie has done. As far as numbers, Russ and Harden are almost identical as far as FG%, 3P%, FT% and even PTS, REB and ASTs per game, with Russ averaging almost 2 mins less per game. The major difference is their teammates. And the biggest stat difference is 3 pointers made. The Rockets have made 1,153 3's this season, smashing the Warriors record of 1,077 from last season and still 2 games remaining. Russ just doesn't have the shooters around him that Harden does period. Russ has 9 games this season where he was only 1-2 assists away from a triple double. Yes I went through all the game stats.. We are talking 51 triple doubles with 2 games to play. That falls solely on his teammates not making shots. Which is why what he has done this season with the team he has is remarkable.
Lets take a look at the stats
Rockets per game Thunder per game
Avg points- 115.5 Avg points- 106.7
FGM- 40.3 FGM- 39.5
FGA- 87.1 FGA- 87.3
FG%- 46.3 FG%- 45.2
3PM- 14.4 3PM- 8.5
3PA- 40.1 3PA- 25.9
3P%- 35.9 3P%- 32.7
Rockets season as of today Thunder season as of today
Points- 9,239 Points- 8,536
FG made- 3,227 FG made- 3,157
FG attempted- 6,971 FG attempted- 6,983
3 pointers made- 1,153 3 pointers made- 677
3 pointers attempted- 3,210 3 pointers attempted- 2,070
Harden Russ
22.2% of teams 3PM 29.3% of teams 3PM
23% of teams 3PA 27.9% of teams 3PA
3PM- 256 3PM- 199
3PA- 740 3PA- 578
3P%- 34.6 3P%- 34.4
Rest of team Rest of team
77.8% of teams 3PM 70.7% of teams 3PM
77% of teams 3PA 72.1% of teams 3PA
3PM- 897 3PM- 478
3PA- 2,470 3PA- 1,492
3P%- 36.3% 3P%- 32%
Touches per game
Russ- 100.2
Harden- 99.6
In the end I'd be fine with a Co-MVP as they have both had such historical seasons. But, if only one is getting the award I'd give it to Russ no question as I feel he deserves it more.
IMO it's going to be Russ or Harden, and I believe Russ will get it. Yes Harden has had a historic season as has Russ... but looking at the stats, Hardens is large in part because of the D'antoni system and how the Rockets play. Yes you can cry all you want about Russ "stat padding" but Thunder offense relies on Russ to get those rebounds and push the ball up the court in transition. However, Harden actually does do the same exact thing time from time over the course of a game. Sure the Rockets have more wins and are in the 3rd seed in the West, but that is because they average 115.5 pts per game to the Thunders 106.7. No the MVP shouldn't be given to Russ soley because he broke a record no one ever thought would be broken or for averaging a triple double for the season. But the combination of those two things, plus losing the second best player in the league in KD, and doing what he has done with the team he has around him...the way he brings it 150% every night knowing he has to in order to even give the Thunder a chance at winning the game. That is why he deserves it this year. IF Russ was on the Rockets in Hardens place I don't think he'd have the same impact that Harden does and I doubt they'd have as many wins as they do, but that's because Harden fits perfectly into the Rockets system. IF Harden was in Russ's place on the Thunder, they would not have as many wins because he wouldn't have the shooters he has with the Rockets and he just doesn't do the little things Russ does every game nor does he have that same drive and desire to win like Russ does. Sure these are hypotheticals, but stats don't lie. What Russ has done this season is nothing short of phenomenal and that's is why you see all of his peers and former players acknowledging what the Brodie has done. As far as numbers, Russ and Harden are almost identical as far as FG%, 3P%, FT% and even PTS, REB and ASTs per game, with Russ averaging almost 2 mins less per game. The major difference is their teammates. And the biggest stat difference is 3 pointers made. The Rockets have made 1,153 3's this season, smashing the Warriors record of 1,077 from last season and still 2 games remaining. Russ just doesn't have the shooters around him that Harden does period. Russ has 9 games this season where he was only 1-2 assists away from a triple double. Yes I went through all the game stats.. We are talking 51 triple doubles with 2 games to play. That falls solely on his teammates not making shots. Which is why what he has done this season with the team he has is remarkable.
Lets take a look at the stats
Rockets per game Thunder per game
Avg points- 115.5 Avg points- 106.7
FGM- 40.3 FGM- 39.5
FGA- 87.1 FGA- 87.3
FG%- 46.3 FG%- 45.2
3PM- 14.4 3PM- 8.5
3PA- 40.1 3PA- 25.9
3P%- 35.9 3P%- 32.7
Rockets season as of today Thunder season as of today
Points- 9,239 Points- 8,536
FG made- 3,227 FG made- 3,157
FG attempted- 6,971 FG attempted- 6,983
3 pointers made- 1,153 3 pointers made- 677
3 pointers attempted- 3,210 3 pointers attempted- 2,070
Harden Russ
22.2% of teams 3PM 29.3% of teams 3PM
23% of teams 3PA 27.9% of teams 3PA
3PM- 256 3PM- 199
3PA- 740 3PA- 578
3P%- 34.6 3P%- 34.4
Rest of team Rest of team
77.8% of teams 3PM 70.7% of teams 3PM
77% of teams 3PA 72.1% of teams 3PA
3PM- 897 3PM- 478
3PA- 2,470 3PA- 1,492
3P%- 36.3% 3P%- 32%
Touches per game
Russ- 100.2
Harden- 99.6
In the end I'd be fine with a Co-MVP as they have both had such historical seasons. But, if only one is getting the award I'd give it to Russ no question as I feel he deserves it more.
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He didn't dislike it.
He liked GSW more.
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only one award matters and thats the championship rings
**** outta here with all this nonsense mvp talk
lets get to the nitty gritty
houston vs cavs finals bron bout to bring IT BACK TO THE LAND ONE MORE TIME
**** outta here with all this nonsense mvp talk
lets get to the nitty gritty
houston vs cavs finals bron bout to bring IT BACK TO THE LAND ONE MORE TIME
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Exactly. Just look at the 2010 C'sRuss is working with much less & Donovan restricts him to 34 a night.
Lue is a ******* idiot.
The team isn't in any kind of rhythm eithertheyre barely over 50 wins. pointless Thibs stuff right there
And with that team rest/health is more important than seeding. They were never gonna have home court in the Finals, and they don't need it in the East.
Rested, healthy > seeding. They're 100% taking at least 1 game in Toronto/Boston/Washington. Incredibly irresponsible to have him out there that much.
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the thunders system is set up to give russ rebounds lol
y'all stat geeks need to watch more games
with that being said though I see no way Harden wins it. Russ has had like 3 mvp moments in the past week or two. Harden hasn't had any.
y'all stat geeks need to watch more games
with that being said though I see no way Harden wins it. Russ has had like 3 mvp moments in the past week or two. Harden hasn't had any.
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If Russ doesn't get MVP, the NBA cant be taken seriously anymore. Im on the verge of going insane like you guys back when the Heat were winning rings and you all kept saying they were paying for rings.
I believe there is no possible way the Westbrook doesn't get MVP.
I believe there is no possible way the Westbrook doesn't get MVP.
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Houston vs Cavs finals? maybe on 2k17 simulation...
maybe on 2k17 simulation...
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Diesel :x
Finally a rational post from you. This is the goods.
I see those L's gotchu humble and relaxed lol.
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Warriors going 16-4 in the playoffs & winning the chip in 5 games.
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freeze you're pretty the same as sly tho 
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LBJ 4th ring Comin
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Does anyone have the Spurs coming out the west?
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No
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Not with that trash PG play
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Spurs may go out in round 1. Definitely in round 2 regardless of who wins the OKC-HOU series.
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The hipsters have SAS coming out the West and Kawhi winning MVP, and of course antidope probably has them doing decent.
Everybody else has them going home in rd1.
Everybody else has them going home in rd1.
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Spurs got no chance.
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Can't see the spurs losing to the grizz. Round 2 they gotta go home tho
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Spurs are the Hawks of the West.
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No but they can beat Memphis, Houston or OKC. Warriors are the easy pick out West and in the Finals.
Cavs are vulnerable but still the favorite in the East regardless of how they look now. LeBron is LeBron.
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