Official 2015 NFL Draft Thread

StillIn729 said:
you guys should scoop Marcus Peters, dude is the best in the draft IMO but will fall because he's a head case
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Peters is going to be elite if he keeps it straight but that's the big if

I am not sold on Trae Waynes yet
 
Can't wait to see how the draft plays out.. Now they saying guys who were supposed to go 2nd or 3rd, moving into the 1st.. Then who slides out of the first


Eric Rowe is also a hot name
 
Maybe I missed it but when did it become cool not to draft running backs in the 1st round?

Is this groupthink?

If Todd Gurley is healthy how is he not the top prospect in this draft? He'd slide to the 2nd round?
 
Most of the mocks have Gurley and Gordon going in the 1st, from what I've seen.
 
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Statis22 said:
Maybe I missed it but when did it become cool not to draft running backs in the 1st round?

Is this groupthink?

If Todd Gurley is healthy how is he not the top prospect in this draft? He'd slide to the 2nd round?
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Look at how many recent 1st/2nd round RB prospects have busted.  Many with mega-level hype coming out.

Carlos Hyde is next 
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Just where the return for value is.. You're trying get a 10 year guy out of your 1st rounder.. Then you got your WARP basically, harder to get an impact LT or QB over a RB

Certain positions don't have the value that other positions do.. Like safeties now hold a higher value than they once did with the so many offenses using pass catching TEs and 3/4 WRs sets and pass catching rbs

Also RB is more of a committee position now
 
Statis22 said:
Maybe I missed it but when did it become cool not to draft running backs in the 1st round?

Is this groupthink?

If Todd Gurley is healthy how is he not the top prospect in this draft? He'd slide to the 2nd round?
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I mean, been goin on for quite a while now. You can get "franchise" backs in the 3rd-4th-6th rounds, etc. And the position breaks down quicker than many others, so why invest like that when you can get a bargain later?

**** man, your best RB in franchise history is a damn walk on. :lol
 
Granted there are value picks in every draft. There are quality linebackers that go 3rd round does that mean I can't take one in the 1st?

I'm saying is if a RB is a top prospect why can't a team team take him in the 1st round?
 
Statis22 said:
Granted there are value picks in every draft. There are quality linebackers that go 3rd round does that mean I can't take one in the 1st?

I'm saying is if a RB is a top prospect why can't a team team take him in the 1st round?
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Of course there's always exceptions, but your odds are better/more manageable later on at RB.

For instance if you take your QB every year in the 6th round, you get one Tom, and 50 bums.

You might get 3-4-5 solid RB's in round 1, but could get 3-4-5 in round 2 as well, and another 3 in round 3, and maybe 1-2 in round 4, etc.


You'd have to sit and study and break it all down, but to me, RB is a lesser need. Murray wasn't a first round back, get him first round Olineman, and he suddenly destroys. Shady wasn't. Foster, Lamar Miller for me was round 4. Morris in Washington. Lynch is the only one I can think of currently that is round 1 worth anything. Lacy round 2. Patriots won the SB with no real RB worth noting. Forsett, Montee Ball, the Colts........I just don't currently see the need in taking them round 1. Especially with the highest injury risk, shortest shelf life, etc.
 


Nice piece from a reddit user here. One relevant paragraph to this discussion:

Lesson 3: Premium Skill Position Picks. Who Needs Them? New England, Seattle, Baltimore, New York Giants, Green Bay Packers are the last five Super Bowl Champions. What do they have in common? None of them won with a Running Back they drafted in round 1. In fact, in the last decade alone, only New York spent more than one first rounder on skill position players. A breakdown below:
Seattle: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 0 WRs selected in round 1.
New England: 1 RB selected in round 1 (Maroney). 0 WRs selected in round 1. Maroney was not on their 2015 championship team.
Green Bay: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 0 WRs selected in round 1.
Baltimore: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 1 WR selected in round 1 (Mark Clayton). Mark Clayton was not on their championship team.
New York Giants: 1 RB selected in round 1 (David Wilson). 2 WRs selected in round 1 (Hakeem Nicks, ODB). Only Nicks was on either of their two Super Bowl squads.
The championship teams understood that skill position picks could be filled in round 2 and later. Good WRs and RBs are a dime a dozen (note that I said "good," not "elite"). Quality defenders, offensive linemen, these were the focus of the teams I listed above (minus New York).
As good as the guys like Todd Gurley and Ameer Abdullah may end up (I'm not as high on Melvin Gordon as everyone else is), teams should consider patiently waiting for them in the 2015 draft.
 
Just look at the top 5 rushers last year and where they were drafted..

Off the top of my head marshawn is probably the only 1 in the top 10 taken in the 1st.. And then you have to factor in Seattle getting him for a 4th from buffalo
 
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itsaboutthattime said:
Just look at the top 5 rushers last year and where they were drafted..

Off the top of my head marshawn is probably the only 1 in the top 10 taken in the 1st.. And then you have to factor in Seattle getting him for a 4th from buffalo
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Cause he didnt kno how to act in buffalo smh scrub
 
Had to go look it up, just out of curiosity.. And you have to factor in ap basically being suspended

Only 1 of the top 5 rushers last year went in the 1st (marshawn)

2 of the 5 went in the 2nd (bell and shady)

Murray went 3rd round and forsett went in the 7th



Just to expend a little more.. Forte went in the 2nd.. Charles in the 3rd.. Gore in the 3rd.. Foster undrafted.. Lacy in the 2nd.. Hill in the 2nd.. Lamar miller in the 4th

Only other guys in the top 20 rushers last year to go in the 1st: ingraham and jonathan Stewart
 
People wondering why teams reach on QBs in the first:
Outside of Brady and Russ, every SB winning team over the last decade has won with a QB selected within the first 32 picks of the NFL draft.

You're much more likely to hit on a first rounder than throwing up a prayer in the 3rd and later, hoping to snag the next Thomas.
 
think I posted this in the regular nfl thread.. it's missing russ and another title for eli and brady
 
100027 said:


Nice piece from a reddit user here. One relevant paragraph to this discussion:

Lesson 3: Premium Skill Position Picks. Who Needs Them? New England, Seattle, Baltimore, New York Giants, Green Bay Packers are the last five Super Bowl Champions. What do they have in common? None of them won with a Running Back they drafted in round 1. In fact, in the last decade alone, only New York spent more than one first rounder on skill position players. A breakdown below:
Seattle: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 0 WRs selected in round 1.
New England: 1 RB selected in round 1 (Maroney). 0 WRs selected in round 1. Maroney was not on their 2015 championship team.
Green Bay: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 0 WRs selected in round 1.
Baltimore: 0 RBs selected in round 1. 1 WR selected in round 1 (Mark Clayton). Mark Clayton was not on their championship team.
New York Giants: 1 RB selected in round 1 (David Wilson). 2 WRs selected in round 1 (Hakeem Nicks, ODB). Only Nicks was on either of their two Super Bowl squads.
The championship teams understood that skill position picks could be filled in round 2 and later. Good WRs and RBs are a dime a dozen (note that I said "good," not "elite"). Quality defenders, offensive linemen, these were the focus of the teams I listed above (minus New York).
As good as the guys like Todd Gurley and Ameer Abdullah may end up (I'm not as high on Melvin Gordon as everyone else is), teams should consider patiently waiting for them in the 2015 draft.
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You know, I thought about this yesterday. Championship teams don't draft top receivers. In fact, if you look at teams that consistently compete in the Conference Championship game, you rarely see top 1-15 draft talent in there as well.
 
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