Official 2013 NBA Offseason Thread

[shoelyesses]

I'm not really understanding you D.Rose doubters/non-believers. So since he's never gotten past Lebron/Miami he's nothing special? I guess Paul George, Melo and Durant ain't nothing special either huh. get the hell outta here man.

The kid is still only 24, missed the last 2 playoffs and has STILL been farther than CP3 has ever been. fall back haters

Its not that its just none of your guys had those sentiments for melo/kd/LeBron...for w/e reason...Now all of a sudden just have a change of heart, claim to be unbiased, and speaking rational and expected to be taken seriously... and were suppose to overlook the obvious favoritism/biasness for a certain player.

I could see if yall was saying these things bout melo/kd/cp3 etc... But folks weren't. That's why I always say ppl be so quick to jump the gun and speak...if nothing more than to get efame/social status...or be the one to say I told you so.

 

[trynafeelmink]

I don't get this thing with Melo... the haters all claim that he isn't a franchise player yet they throw his name in as if he's supposed to bring a MEDIOCRE roster to championships.

All this ******** pressure for players winning a championship is ridiculous. D.rose is 24 and people are saying he sucks because he ISN'T GREAT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A RING? DURANT ISNT GREAT? etc etc..

the only reason Lebron went through that scrutiny ewas because you had cats claiming he's the best in the L from like his 3rd season on and he had shown that he shrinks when the pressure was on.

Melo, Dwight, CP3 etc aren't on that level

 

[S4L]

@ CP3 can't win in the playoffs. Stop man, you can't put that much pressure on a point guard who's main goal isn't to score.

LOL. Exactly my point.

You dudes and yall free passes...

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

you cant be serious dude

I'm dead serious..

When he was with new orleans who did he have besides David West? You can't blame him for that. Then he went to LA they did work the 1st year especially being their 1st year playing together. 2nd year was disappointing but they had a coach who didn't make adjustments, Blake didn't show up. DA wasn't on the floor because he was a liable. Who was he gonna pass it to? Who was his 2nd option? You can't blame him, now give him a 2nd option then judge him for not winning in the playoffs. But you can't put blame on him when he's trying to everyone else's job and more. Coach, Score and Pass.

 

[shoelyesses]

lol did you just make all this up?

all three of those guys pretty much dominated right out the gate

and Dwights 10yrs in his career is more than half over

since Ewing was "basically mutombo in the 80s" show me when mutombo avgd 20 points ever

you sir just made a damn fool of yourself

yes they did with their size..... not with finesse....totally different style of playing...Hell karl Malone...was a beast out the gate....hell mj was... but it be foolish to say Jordan or Malone dominance was the same in terms of how they played the game from the beginning to the end.

So basically you are saying 84 akeem was the same player as 93 akeem....no difference in approach to the game?

So 80's ewing and 90's ecf ewing is the same player?

80's Mj is the same as mid 90's Mj...

Orlando Shaq....was the same as lakers Shaq.. Maybe you are saying none of the players were dominant iuno what your saying.

All those players dominated early in their careers off of sheer talent/athletism like d12...and redefined/change their game and still remained dominate.

Based off what your saying you never saw them played..and probably did a quick google search and responded....LOL at the thought ewing was a bonafied shooter coming out of Georgetown...LOL yea akeem str8 outta college was str8 up "dream shaking" dudes....While you quick searching on google for stats...also look up on youtube and watch these dudes games.

 

[cashbanks]

I agree there has to be some pressure on CP3 this year he's got a team that can play for a chip gotta get em over the hump Blake's gotta step up too tho

 

[reggiekiller]

The thing that's hilarious to me is that people think going to the Rockets and learning from Hakeem is going to make Dwight improve his post game. This dude is about to be 28 YEARS OLD. This isn't some raw 18 year old prospect from Ghana. He's been tall as **** his entire life, there's probably been hundreds of big man coaches along the way that have tried to teach him post moves.

He needs to be surrounded by a bunch of shooters...and I don't really see much of them on the Rockets besides Harden, Parsons and Garcia.

Hey for a guy with no post moves, averaging 18 ppg for your career isn't half bad.

 

[everysingletime]

Hakeem, Ewing and Shaq had better footwork and a more extensive offensive arsenal their rookie years than Dwight ever had.

 

[cashbanks]

yes they did with their size..... not with finesse....totally different style of playing...Hell karl Malone...was a beast out the gate....hell mj was... but it be foolish to say Jordan or Malone dominance was the same in terms of how they played the game from the beginning to the end.

So basically you are saying 84 akeem was the same player as 93 akeem....no difference in approach to the game?
So 80's ewing and 90's ecf ewing is the same player?
80's Mj is the same as mid 90's Mj...

Orlando Shaq....was the same as lakers Shaq.. Maybe you are saying none of the players were dominant iuno what your saying.

All those players dominated early in their careers off of sheer talent/athletism like d12...and redefined/change their game and still remained dominate.

Based off what your saying you never saw them played..and probably did a quick google search and responded....LOL at the thought ewing was a bonafied shooter coming out of Georgetown...LOL yea akeem str8 outta college was str8 up "dream shaking" dudes....While you quick searching on google for stats...also look up on youtube and watch these dudes games.

no I'm saying your full of ****

they all where better players than Dwight coming out

Dwight has NEVER dominated like they did and should NEVER be compared to any of them in my honest opinion

of course they all got better and more polished

but what I'm, saying is they all began that process before they where a decade in

Dwight is who he is

He's never shown anything to say he's gonna make this magical jump now that hes pushing 30

Dont get mad at me because your comparing a guy who should be compared with Shawn Kemp to Shaq and Hakeem

 

[shox23]

I don't get this thing with Melo... the haters all claim that he isn't a franchise player yet they throw his name in as if he's supposed to bring a MEDIOCRE roster to championships.

All this ******** pressure for players winning a championship is ridiculous. D.rose is 24 and people are saying he sucks because he ISN'T GREAT BECAUSE HE DOESN'T HAVE A RING? DURANT ISNT GREAT? etc etc..

the only reason Lebron went through that scrutiny ewas because you had cats claiming he's the best in the L from like his 3rd season on and he had shown that he shrinks when the pressure was on.

Melo, Dwight, CP3 etc aren't on that level

Who said these aren't great players , most of the guys we are talking about are going to end up being all time greats, that's why there should be high expectations and pressure to win I'm not saying Rose or Durant have to win championships right now but they do have that pedigree and with that comes praise and scrutiny

 

[victor page]

If a team can only use the amnesty on a player who signed a contract with them...how was Orlando able to use it on Gilbert Arenas?

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

no I'm saying your full of ****

they all where better players than Dwight coming out

Dwight has NEVER dominated like they did and should NEVER be compared to any of them in my honest opinion

of course they all got better and more polished

but what I'm, saying is they all began that process before they where a decade in

Dwight is who he is

He's never shown anything to say he's gonna make this magical jump now that hes pushing 30

Dont get mad at me because your comparing a guy who should be compared with Shawn Kemp to Shaq and Hakeem

Shawn Kemp?

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[reggiekiller]

what I find ironic in yall statement is the fact that he is on a team, and getting training by akeem...a player who wasn't very offensively savvy early on in his career.... Yall act like akeem was dream shaking dudes right out the gate... Dude was basically a towering defensive power house easily first 6/7 years or so if his career.

Then there is ewing... Dude was basically mutombo all of the 80's and really didn't develop the step back jumper...and most of his post moves until early/mid 90's, Shaq didn't really improve dramtically until the early 2000's with the lakers...

Good wasn't social media back then....dudes woulda been saying the dream, ewing, and shaq would remain who they are never to improve and just be dominant just because of their size.

So 3 of the top centers in the league, who were basically like D12, the first half of their respective careers did it....yet it is basically out of the realm of possibility, for Dwight. Not to mention neither of them had the luxury of getting trained/working with a all-time great center all did it.

lol did you just make all this up?

all three of those guys pretty much dominated right out the gate

and Dwights 10yrs in his career is more than half over

since Ewing was "basically mutombo in the 80s" show me when mutombo avgd 20 points ever

you sir just made a damn fool of yourself

I'm sure you forgot about this, but Dwight is only 2 years removed from averaged 23 and 14.  I remember him dominating plenty in Orlando

 

[frshstunna]

If he just adds one or two moves he'll be fine for the next few years, the biggest thing for him is the free throws if he can get anywhere close to 65-70% he could easily average 20-24 pg, you throw in his rebounding and rim protection that's a top 5 player in this league

sounds like a lot has to happen

he hasnt been able to develop any moves or bring that FT% up in what 10 yrs in the league?

I just dont see him doing it all of a sudden

Dwight is already good...at this point he already been putting up 20 ppg seasons while shooting a horrible FT % and no post moves, he is what he is and thats still good enough to be the best at his position and make the Rockets a better team

 

[shoelyesses]

lol did you just make all this up?

all three of those guys pretty much dominated right out the gate

and Dwights 10yrs in his career is more than half over

since Ewing was "basically mutombo in the 80s" show me when mutombo avgd 20 points ever

you sir just made a damn fool of yourself

Ewing wasn't known for offensive prowess while in college, where Georgetown coach John Thompson placed emphasis on defense and keeping big men in the pivot. The Knicks drafted him, knowing he was rough around the edges, at least offensively. But once in the pro ranks, away from the restraints of college opponents sagging on him, Ewing eventually surprised many with his scoring ability, and later on in his career, developed an unstoppable baseline jumper.

And this is a quote str8 from nba.com on ewing as a bio.... So I guess nba.com has no clue what ewing was either.

 

[lawdog1]

If a team can only use the amnesty on a player who signed a contract with them...how was Orlando able to use it on Gilbert Arenas?

Or Philly with Elton Brand or the Knicks with Chauncey Billups? In fact, I'm not sure any of the players who have been amnestied were with the teams that drafted them originally.

 

[johnnyredstorm]

i think the amnesty rule was you could only use it on guys on your roster prior to the lockout. big shot was on the knicks the season prior and he had a player option we picked up.

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

i think the amnesty rule was you could only use it on guys on your roster prior to the lockout. big shot was on the knicks the season prior and he had a player option we picked up.

That's what I thought...

 

[Bert.]

CP3 def has pressure on him this year.

He got the coach not to mention a loaded team.

if CP3 doesnt win this year


LULZ

stacked team, hes the ultimate PG. he got so many damn shooters and hes got a great coach.

still calling a 1/2 round exit.

failure coming

 

[Bert.]

If a team can only use the amnesty on a player who signed a contract with them...how was Orlando able to use it on Gilbert Arenas?

i think your right, im getting confused with another rule.

 

[cashbanks]

I'm not saying Dwight isnt good he is good (just like kemp was)

he's just never gonna be an all time great big man in my eyes

dudes an all star i just dont think he'll be a legend

if thats a knock then so be it but look at dudes career numbers and kemps they're pretty similar dwights a better defender and rebounder but for all we know dwight could get fat and fall off too hes already got a good start on the kids

dudes act like i'm slandering Jordan

hes on the same tier as a Shawn Kemp to me until he proves otherwise

 

[shoelyesses]

no I'm saying your full of ****

they all where better players than Dwight coming out

Dwight has NEVER dominated like they did and should NEVER be compared to any of them in my honest opinion

of course they all got better and more polished

but what I'm, saying is they all began that process before they where a decade in

Dwight is who he is

He's never shown anything to say he's gonna make this magical jump now that hes pushing 30

Dont get mad at me because your comparing a guy who should be compared with Shawn Kemp to Shaq and Hakeem

um how so akeem averaged 16 points...and ewing 20...Dwight was averaging 24 points so..................... Due to weaker competition one could argue Dwight dominated/dominates even moreso then they did. No one was hailing them the best early in their careers... and clearly their was competition just as good if not better then them in their earlier years.

Dwight biggest competition was a injury prone Bynum... If Dwight wasn't top tier best...who in the hell was? Hell most of Dwight career you couldn't even name 5 good centers. Same cant be said for ewing and company...So Dwight dominated more then them, if nothing else but by default.

Yes they started earlier...and developed at a much faster rate...never said they didn't. But you implied as if these dudes were hall of famers out the gates and they basically begin and ended their careers with little on no growth or change. And as far as shaq....yea he had great footwork for his size...but he pretty much played bully ball...and dominated with his sheer force and size. This was proven when he got worked by the dream...and then he started on the road to try to add a offensive repertoire to his game.

And shawn kemp lol...even kemp improved somewhat...only similarities they have is child support issues. Yall out here making d12 out to be Theo Ratliff or something. 

 

[certifiedflyboi23]

Don't worry about CP3, worry about your team and how yall will struggle to get the 8th seed...

 

[big j 33]

Players had to be on the team at the time of the new CBA, but it didn't matter if they were traded to that team beforehand or if they signed originally with that team.

 

[coldcity]

Don't worry about CP3, worry about your team and how yall will struggle to get the 8th seed...