Official 2012 Boxing Thread: JMM/Manny IV - FOTY.

Yep.. Dirrell is in the Yellow Headgear and he said about 25 mins ago hes on the money team in the camera

Floyd schoolin Dirrell while sparrin.
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n/m.... saw him switch from righty to southpaw... Must be Dre
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Weekend wrap up.

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Saturday at Houston

Danny Garcia W12 Erik Morales
Junior welterweight
Wins a vacant junior welterweight title
Scores: 118-111, 117-110, 116-112
Records: Garcia (23-0, 14 KOs); Morales (52-8, 36 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Morales, the Mexican legend and four-division titleholder, is going into the International Boxing Hall of Fame on the first ballot, but all good things come to an end. He is 35 now and although he can still fight and still has a warrior's mentality, he just can't get it done anymore at the highest level. A younger version of Morales probably takes Garcia to school, because even the older version of Morales busted him up and had his moments. But even Morales said at the post-fight news conference that his "time had passed" and he acknowledged that he had lost what was a competitive fight. Morales has had a helluva run, though. This indeed might be the end but not necessarily, because he said he thought he might like to have a farewell bout in Mexico.

Whatever he decides to do, Morales gave fight fans some of the most memorable action battles in history. He won his first title as a young pup by knocking out eventual Hall of Famer Daniel Zaragoza in his final bout in 1997 and remained near the top of the sport for most of the next decade. His trilogies with Marco Antonio Barrera and Manny Pacquiao will never be forgotten and, in 2005, he was the last man to defeat Pacquiao. After a 2½-year retirement from 2007 to 2010, Morales returned for more glory. He won three fights in a row, lost a dramatic slugfest to Marcos Maidana in April 2011 in a fight he was supposed to be destroyed in and parlayed the performance into a shot at a belt that had wrongly been stripped from Timothy Bradley Jr. But Morales doesn't make the rules and won the vacant belt with a strong performance in a 10th-round knockout of Pablo Cesar Cano in September. Rather than take an easy first defense, which he certainly would not have been blamed for, Morales gave Garcia the opportunity. It turned out to be a mistake because although Philadelphia's Garcia, who turned 24 a few days before the fight, had some trouble, he clearly was the winner in a good fight.

With the largely pro-Morales crowd of 5,590 rocking Reliant Arena, Morales -- who had been stripped of the belt at the weigh-in for coming in at 142 pounds, two over the limit, and not even trying to shed the weight -- had his moments. His jab was sharp and he did a good job of making Garcia fight for long stretches at his more deliberate pace because he can't go 100 mph like he used to. But Garcia, with youth, energy and determination on his side, was quicker and crisper with his punches. Morales cut him over his left eye and bashed up his nose, but Garcia persevered to fulfill his lifelong dream of winning a world title. Morales was running out of gas late in the fight and his legs looked dead when Garcia landed a clean left hook to drop him in the 11th round. Morales refused to give up and did what he could as he limped to the final bell, where it was obvious that Garcia was going to take home the competitive decision.

Morales gave boxing fans everything they could have asked for over the years. He probably also served as a great learning lesson for Garcia, who still pulls straight back from punches and still stops to admire his work when he lands a punch way too much. There are many things he still needs to work on, but when you go 12 hard rounds with a crafty old veteran champion like Morales, there is no doubt that the experience will help -- this fight will make Garcia a better fighter in the long run.

James Kirkland W-DQ10 Carlos Molina
Junior middleweight
Records: Kirkland (31-1, 27 KOs); Molina (19-5-2, 6 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Unless this decision is overturned to a no decision -- and the Molina camp is protesting, as it should -- this will go down as one of the most hideous calls in recent memory as referee Jon Schorle and the Texas officials completely botched the ending of the fight and unjustly handed Kirkland -- who did nothing wrong -- a victory he did not deserve. It was the kind of meathead decision that hurts the sport and turns fans off. There was no common sense applied and, at least as I understand the rules, Schorle and his commission cohorts blew it.

Let's back up a little. Molina, 28, of Chicago, had earned this HBO appearance with a strong, three-fight run that followed a nearly two-year forced layoff while locked in a promotional battle with Don King. When Molina was free and returned, he showed he was a legit contender with a draw (which he deserved to win) against Erislandy Lara, a knockout of Allen Conyers and a dominant decision against former welterweight titlist Kermit Cintron. The massive-punching Kirkland, 28, of Austin, Texas, rejuvenated his career in November by scoring a sixth-round knockout of Alfredo Angulo in a raging slugfest in Mexico that helped him continue to move past his shocking first-round knockout loss to Nobuhiro Ishida in the 2011 upset of the year.

The question was whether Kirkland, the clear favorite, would be able to impose himself and his power against Molina, a quality boxer with a good chin, or whether Molina would be able to outbox and frustrate the more limited Kirkland. The answer: This was all Molina. He dominated virtually the entire fight save for the final few moments that led to the horrific ending. The fight had been one-sided until the 10th round when Kirkland -- whose manager, Cameron Dunkin, told ESPN.com after the fight that Kirkland had dropped about 30 pounds to make weight in the final weeks before the fight, an obvious reason he looked so awful -- finally came alive.

Desperate for a knockout, because everyone knew he was way behind, Kirkland went for it in the 10th round and buzzed Molina, who had gotten away with a lot of holding that Schorle (in another botched situation) never warned him once about. Then, as the round was nearing the end, he dropped Molina with a flurry of shots. Even though it was not the cleanest of knockdowns -- some referees would have ruled it a slip or a push because Kirkland was leaning on him as he went down -- Schorle called it a knockdown and began to count. Molina went down simultaneous to the bell ringing to end the round. Schorle had to count, but Molina was up at four and looked fine. You figured, OK, round over, now he'll go back to his corner and shake it off. It would have made for a possibly dramatic final two rounds to see if Kirkland could get him out of there or if Molina could hang on (literally and figuratively) to win the decision.

But Schorle, who has had other shaky performances, robbed everyone of that -- the fans and the fighters. Orin Askenette, one of Molina's cornermen, entered the ring after the bell had rung and Molina had beaten the count. But Schorle, who was giving Molina the eight count, shooed Askenette out of the ring and then, after moments of confusion and a brief conference with ringside regulators, stopped the fight and ruled Kirkland the DQ winner. The reason, he said, was because the corner had entered the ring before the round was officially over. It was a ticky-tacky, ridiculous call to begin with but it may not have even been correct. In reading the Texas rules, there is not supposed to be an eight count if the round has ended (which is signaled by the bell). According to Texas rules, "When a round ends before a contestant who was knocked down rises, the bell shall not ring, and the count shall continue. If the contestant rises before the count of 10, the bell shall ring ending the round." So we have two issues: The bell should not have sounded -- although that is understandable because it was simultaneous to the knockdown -- and the round should have been over as soon as Molina beat the count, meaning there shouldn't have been an eight count. Once the bell had rung and Molina had beaten the count, the round was over.

Askenette did not enter the ring until after the bell had sounded and after Molina was fully upright. And where in the world was the inspector assigned to Molina's corner? It is his job to make sure the corner does not go up the steps in a situation like this. That was botched also. It was just a bad job all the way around by Schorle, the inspector and the Texas regulators as a whole, who did not appear to know their own rules. Yet it is Molina who is paying for it, which is wrong.

And one more thing of note. Molina was ahead, as he should have been, 88-83 and 87-84 on two scorecards. But judge Gale Van Hoy had Kirkland ahead 86-85 in one of the single most egregiously bad scorecards I've seen. Texas must do something about him. And Texas also must change this result. It's not fair to Molina or to Kirkland to have such a stained result on their records.



Saturday at Brooklyn, N.Y.

Zab Judah TKO9 Vernon Paris
Junior welterweight
Title eliminator
Records: Judah (42-7, 29 KOs); Paris (26-1, 15 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Just when Judah looks like he's finished, he has found a way to bounce back. He's done it before and he did it again, this time against Paris, 24, of Detroit. Instead of serving as a good name for Paris to notch on his record, Judah, 34, of Brooklyn, N.Y., took him to school and gave him a boxing lesson he will never forget.

It was quite a turnaround for Judah, the former undisputed welterweight champion and three-time junior welterweight titlist. Last July, Judah was routed in an uncompetitive fifth-round knockout loss to Amir Khan in a 140-pound title unification bout. Many thought Judah was done and that he would be fodder for the up-and-coming Paris. But Judah dominated and looked as good as he has in years. Judah, a southpaw, simply outclassed the youngster. He hurt Paris several times, including late in the sixth round. In the ninth round, Judah was in total control and firing away at will. Judah, still displaying fast hands and power, was landing everything and had Paris trapped in a corner. He fired more than a dozen punches, landing most and forcing referee Steve Willis to step in and save a defenseless Paris 27 seconds into the round.

The victory gives Judah, who led 80-72, 79-73, 79-73 on the scorecards at the time of the stoppage, another title opportunity as he becomes the mandatory challenger for the winner of the May 19 rematch between titlist Lamont Peterson and Amir Khan, who lost his two belts to Peterson in December. Although Judah looked great against Paris, it is difficult to see a rematch between Judah and Khan coming to fruition if Khan beats Peterson because the first fight was so lopsided that what TV network will want to put it on? If Peterson beats Khan, maybe we will see him fight Judah. Whatever happens -- the winner could vacate the belt -- Judah will have another title opportunity. The question is: Which Judah will show up to fight for it?

Tomasz Adamek W10 Nagy Aguilera
Heavyweight
Scores: 100-90 (twice), 99-91
Records: Adamek (45-2, 28 KOs); Aguilera (17-7, 12 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: In November, Adamek, a former cruiserweight and light heavyweight titleholder who had moved up to become a legitimate contender at heavyweight, got a shot at champion Vitali Klitschko. The fight was in Adamek's native Poland and was the biggest boxing event in the nation's history. Adamek, however, was way undersized compared to the giant Klitschko and got pummeled in an uncompetitive 10th-round knockout loss.

Making his return for what he hopes will be another title run, Adamek, 35, who lives in Jersey City, N.J., was matched softly against Aguilera, 25, a native of the Dominican Republic living in Newburgh, N.Y. Although Adamek dominated and won via lopsided decision there was good action throughout the entertaining fight, especially in the early rounds. Near the end of the third round, Adamek badly staggered Aguilera with a left hand. His knees buckled and he almost went down. Adamek landed several more shots but Aguilera took them in the final seconds before the bell sounded. The fourth round was the best of the fight. It was filled with action and might find itself on the list of round of the year honorable mentions come December. Adamek was battering Aguilera early in the round and dishing out punishment, but Aguilera rebounded to land some heavy shots. They finished the round brawling toe-to-toe as the crowd cheered. Although Aguilera landed some nice shots through the remainder of the fight, Adamek was too busy and accurate as he pounded out the decision.

Adamek was penciled in to headline the June 16 edition of NBC Sports Net's "Fight Night" at Prudential Center in Newark, N.J., where Adamek draws huge crowds. However, he injured both of his hands against Aguilera. According to Main Events promoter Kathy Duva, Adamek is scheduled to see a hand specialist in New York on Monday afternoon and it is possible he will not be ready fight in June, in which case Main Events will make an alternative plan. Aguilera dropped to 2-5 in his past seven, including knockout losses to former titleholder Samuel Peter and Cristobal Arreola and a decision to former light heavyweight champ Antonio Tarver in his first heavyweight bout

Bryant Jennings TKO9 Sergei Liakhovich
Heavyweight
Records: Jennings (13-0, 6 KOs); Liakhovich (25-5, 16 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: In January, Jennings, 27, of Philadelphia, took a last-minute fight against fellow undefeated heavyweight Maurice Byarm in the main event of the debut edition of NBC Sports Net's "Fight Night" when the original main event fell apart. Jennings put on a good performance and won a competitive fight. It earned him a return to action just two months later to open the second edition of "Fight Night," and Jennings turned in another impressive performance against former titleholder Liakhovich to stamp himself as one of the few American big men to keep an eye on.

Jennings took the fight to Liakhovich, 35, of Belarus, who was game as always but not up to the task as he lost his second fight in a row following his bloody ninth-round knockout loss to Robert Helenius in August. Jennings put his punches together throughout the fight and landed numerous combinations in a dominant, energetic showing. He marked up Liakhovich's left eye early in the fight, displayed a strong body attack and appeared to have broken Liakhovich's nose in the middle rounds. In the ninth round, the ringside doctor examined the nose but the fight was allowed to continue. But Jennings turned up the heat and was hammering Liakhovich as the round came to an end and the fight was stopped in the corner after the round to give Jennings an excellent win and send Liakhovich's future into doubt. Jennings will certainly get more opportunities but Liakhovich, who was fighting for only the fifth time since 2006, appears to be just about done even though he still has heart.



Saturday at Atlantic City, N.J.

Mariusz Wach TKO6 Tye Fields
Heavyweight
Records: Wach (27-0, 15 KOs); Fields (49-5, 44 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Wach, 32, a native of Poland living in North Bergen, N.J., is a relatively unknown fighter but his name comes up here and there as it relates to a possible fight with one of the heavyweight champion brothers Wladimir or Vitali Klitschko. That's because Wach has a sterling record, a Polish crowd to cheer him on and size -- 6-foot-7, 247 pounds -- so he at least matches up with the brothers in terms of stature. Here he was facing Fields, 37, of Missoula, Mont., but living in Canada, who is also big (6-8, 250), but not even close to being even a top-20 heavyweight. Nonetheless, Fields represented the best opponent of Wach's career and he passed the test in strong and entertaining fashion.

The fight headlined an afternoon CES/Global Boxing-promoted pay-per-view show and although the production values were so amateurishly poor it was almost distracting, at least we got some solid scraps, including this main event. Neither guy is a defensive wizard so they were there to be hit and Wach unloaded some very solid shots that Fields took well until the ending of the fight. Near the end of the third round, Wach, who was by far the more active fighter, nailed Fields with a pair of right hands that wobbled him. Wach's right hand was his weapon of choice and he could barely miss with it. As the fifth round ended, Wach teed off on Fields with a series of combinations in which the right hand did most of the damage. In the sixth round, he hurt Fields with a pair of right hands that were the beginning of the end. He landed a few more right hands during a flurry of shots and Fields went down near the ropes. He struggled to his feet but was too wobbly and referee Benjy Esteves wisely called it off at 1 minute, 44 seconds.

Maybe Wach can continue to develop and make some noise in the division but it would be nice to see him face a solid contender or fellow up-and-coming heavyweight. A fight with a Klitschko brother at this point, however, would be nothing more than a grab for a payday in a fight he would have almost no chance to win.



Saturday at Johannesburg, South Africa

Jeffrey Mathebula W12 Takalani Ndlovu
Junior featherweight
Wins a junior featherweight title
Scores: 117-111, 116-112 Mathebula, 115-113 Ndlovu
Records: Mathebula (26-3-2, 14 KOs); Ndlovu (33-7, 18 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: In September 2010, Ndlovu defeated his South African countryman by split decision in a title elimination bout. Ndlovu, 34, went on to outpoint Steve Molitor in their third meeting in March 2011 to claim a 122-pound title and then made a defense in October. Mathebula, meantime, had become the mandatory challenger, and they met in a rematch with Matheubula, 32, turning the tables this time to win the split decision in his second world title opportunity. Mathebula lost a split decision to then-titleholder Celestino Caballero in April 2009. According to South African media reports, Ndlovu got off to a strong start and was in control in the first half of the bout before Mathebula picked up the pace and began landing more regularly. By the final few rounds, Ndlovu was beginning to fade and Mathebula was able to sweep the late rounds to pull out the decision and grab a belt.



Friday at Tucson, Ariz.

Diego Magdaleno TKO7 Fernando Beltran Jr.
Junior lightweight
Records: Magdaleno (22-0, 8 KOs); Beltran Jr. (36-8-1, 20 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Magdaleno, 25, a rising contender from Las Vegas, was scheduled to headline the "ShoBox: The New Generation" card on Showtime against Eduardo "Chucky" Lazcano. However, Lazcano dropped out on Tuesday for medical reasons and Beltran, 30, a former two-time junior featherweight title challenger from Mexico, took his place. Although Beltran is no longer a top contender and was fighting at the heaviest weight of his career after boxing primarily as a featherweight and junior featherweight, it was still an impressive victory for Magdaleno because Beltran had never previously been knocked out. Magdaleno also showed he can handle fighting away from Nevada, where he had fought all but one of his previous bouts.

Magdaleno dominated the fight. He was faster, bigger and did a great job of firing multiple combinations. Beltran simply had no answer for the combinations and the speed with which Magdaleno delivered them. Magdaleno had just one rocky moment in the fight, which came in the fourth round when fellow southpaw Beltran dropped him with a clean straight left hand. However, it was a flash knockdown and Magdaleno did not seem hurt by the blow. When the fight resumed, he ramped up the pace of his attack and was all over Beltran. He was doing damage for the rest of the round as though the knockdown had never happened. Magdaleno was in total control in the seventh round when he was teeing off on Beltran and eventually knocked him down under a hail of shots. Beltran survived, but it was all Magdaleno. He was hammering Beltran when Beltran's corner threw in the towel at 2 minutes, 28 seconds rather than have him absorb more unnecessary punishment.

Beltran lost his third consecutive fight and dropped to 2-5 in his past seven. Magdaleno is just about ready to fight for a world title and his opportunity should not be too far off, especially with his fan base in Las Vegas and promoter Top Rank moving him very nicely.

Johnny Garcia W8 Yordenis Ugas
Welterweight
Scores: 76-75 (twice) Garcia, 76-75 Ugas
Records: Garcia (12-0, 8 KOs); Ugas (11-1, 5 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Although this was a highly competitive and close fight, the result is a major upset, make no mistake about it. Ugas, 25, who now lives in Miami, was a decorated amateur on the Cuban powerhouse national team. He was a 2008 Olympic bronze medalist, a former world amateur champion, Pan-American Games champion and all-around dominant amateur from whom big things were expected in the pros. He is younger than most Cuban defectors and figured to move quickly up the ranks and into title contention. So this is a major setback. Although Garcia, 29, of Holland, Mich., has a sweet record, he had built against lowly competition and was not expected to give Ugas many problems in this "ShoBox" opening bout. But Garcia surprised everyone except perhaps himself. Ugas fought fine, but Garcia was a touch better as he eked out a split decision that, frankly, could have gone either way. But the mere fact it was even this close means Ugas has some work to do. He was outworked by Garcia, who seemed hungrier in the battle. Ugas, who was way too economical with his punches, dropped Garcia with a right hand in the fifth round but it was not enough to overcome his work rate, which was rewarded by two of the judges.



Friday at Pharr, Texas

Robert Garcia W10 Antwone Smith
Welterweight
Scores: 98-92, 97-93 (twice)
Records: Garcia (31-3, 21 KOs); Smith (21-4-1, 12 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: In May 2010, Garcia served as fodder for the comebacking Antonio Margarito, who had been out of action for 16 months following a license revocation after he was caught trying to fight Shane Mosley with loaded hand wraps. Margarito dropped Garcia in the first round as he lost a lopsided decision in his most notable fight. But now Garcia, 31, the crowd favorite from nearby Weslaco, Texas, has won three fights in a row after a solid victory against Smith. With the national television exposure of a main event on "Friday Night Fights" and Smith's reputation as a fringe contender, this is the most notable victory of Garcia's career.

The ring was an absurdly small 16-by-16, which favored the more aggressive Garcia. He pressured the slicker Smith and just seemed to want it more. He outhustled Smith and beat him to the punch throughout the bout to take the clear decision. Smith, 25, of Miami -- who could not be more annoying with his loud grunting a la Monica Seles with each punch he threw -- had pulled off a series of upsets as the "opponent" in multiple fights to emerge as a prospect in his own right but dropped to 3-3 in his past six fights, including losses to Garcia, former titlist Kermit Cintron and a surprising ninth-round knockout loss to Lanardo Tyner.

James De La Rosa W8 Tyrone Brunson
Junior middleweight
Scores: 79-72, 78-73, 77-74
Records: De La Rosa (21-1, 12 KOs); Brunson (21-2-1, 20 KOs)
Rafael's remarks: Brunson, 27, of Philadelphia, got a lot of hype when he began his professional career with a record 19 consecutive first-round knockouts, although all of them came against woeful competition (which had a pathetic combined record of 53-108-6). It's been pretty much downhill for Brunson since. He drew in his next fight in a six-rounder, won two more fights (an eight-round decision and a third-round knockout) and then got knocked out in the third round by Carson Jones in December 2009. He had not fought in the 27 months since until squaring off with De La Rosa looking to recapture some of that old knockout thunder.

De La Rosa, 24, of Harlingen, Texas, and fighting in front of what was essentially a hometown crowd, was also a guy in need of a victory and a good performance. He had not fought in 14 months since losing a clear decision to Allen Conyers on the Timothy Bradley Jr.-Devon Alexander undercard. In a crowd-pleasing fight, De La Rosa was able to bounce back against Brunson. Brunson was credited with a second-round knockdown by referee Tony Garcia when he clipped De La Rosa with a shot that forced him to touch his glove to the canvas. However, Brunson did not press the attack after the knockdown and De La Rosa pressed the action throughout the fight and was the clear winner in what was something of a must-win fight for both guys.
 
Originally Posted by 951guero

Originally Posted by Marvin Hagler

Originally Posted by 951guero


will they be fighting in Vegas or another venue (similar to last time Cabell fought an undergrad at Staples center)
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I believe the Canelo fight will be broadcast from another venue. (Mexico I THINK)
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damn was all pumped for them fighting out in Vegas, venue might actually be in LA 
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Originally Posted by therenegade23

Originally Posted by 951guero

Originally Posted by Marvin Hagler

I believe the Canelo fight will be broadcast from another venue. (Mexico I THINK)
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damn was all pumped for them fighting out in Vegas, venue might actually be in LA 
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I'm about 95% sure that all the fights will be in Vegas this time around, no split site for Canelo.

From ESPN's May schedule:



May 5

At Las Vegas (HBO PPV): Miguel Cotto vs. Floyd Mayweather Jr., 12 rounds, for Cotto's WBA junior middleweight title; Saul "Canelo" Alvarez vs. Shane Mosley, 12 rounds, for Alvarez's WBC junior middleweight title; Jessie Vargas vs. TBA, 10 rounds, welterweights

 
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Originally Posted by Proshares

Originally Posted by therenegade23

Originally Posted by 951guero

damn was all pumped for them fighting out in Vegas, venue might actually be in LA 
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I'm about 95% sure that all the fights will be in Vegas this time around, no split site for Canelo.
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Makes sense because of Cinco de Mayo too (Canelos Mexicos prize fighter
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Will be out in Vegas that weekend
Hoping to score tickets to the fight
 
Missed that PBF sparring session. I can't believe no one mentioned on Twitter about Dirrell's Money Team declaration. Dirrell & Money Team ... 
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  I know fam is from Michigan and all, but I still can't see the connection.

Word on the streets is that 'Dre Ward will try to make a bout with Lucian Bute (obviously, contingent on Bute beating Froch in May) and if that bout can't be finalized, Ward will take on Dirrell, who is a mandatory for the WBC belt.

Ward has made it publicly known that he wants his first unified defense in Oakland, but IMHO, if Bute steps up to the plate, he should fight in Canada. I highly doubt he will, but he'd be an utter fool not to at least consider going there and making his biggest paycheck.

And let me pay my dues... Rest in Peace, Bert Sugar. I remember a few years ago I went in on him about his slurping of Oscar De La Hoya.  Fam said something like, "he was pound-for-pound the greatest of his era," or to that extent, and I posted that dude was senile.

His knowledge, though, was unmatched. I'll miss the fedora, unlit cigar, and most of all, his storytelling.  Whenever dude popped up on the TV, I found myself googling/youtube-ing a fighter I had previously never heard of.
 
Don't worry you and the rest of us won't be able to watch Green-Kessler as no US network will pick it up.I'm also sickened with this match. Here's Ward -- I'm not slurping; anyone that's been following this thread knows that I've been an S.O.G. fan since he was an amatuer -- sitting on the sidelines as the #1 guy in the division, and it seems like everyone is blatantly ducking the man. Rather than avenge a loss to Ward, Kess is moving up to 175...to fight Allan Green?!There are some whispers around boxing circles that Kessler could be in the mix against any of the 175-lb champions should he get past Green.
 
Originally Posted by Sir Rob A Lot

Don't worry you and the rest of us won't be able to watch Green-Kessler as no US network will pick it up.I'm also sickened with this match. Here's Ward -- I'm not slurping; anyone that's been following this thread knows that I've been an S.O.G. fan since he was an amatuer -- sitting on the sidelines as the #1 guy in the division, and it seems like everyone is blatantly ducking the man. Rather than avenge a loss to Ward, Kess is moving up to 175...to fight Allan Green?!There are some whispers around boxing circles that Kessler could be in the mix against any of the 175-lb champions should he get past Green.
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Ward goes out and straight up mugs guys in the ring, most people don't want to deal with that type of fight. 
 
I think Ward whups everyone from 168 - 175. URRRRYBODY. it would take a real nasty filthy Roughhouse fighter with Heart to beat him at his own game.

If Dirrell had some "Floyd" in him, with the Forearms and "Dirty boxing", he'd have legit shot. but Froch and Arthur showed me he cant do that
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

I think Ward whups everyone from 168 - 175. URRRRYBODY. it would take a real nasty filthy Roughhouse fighter with Heart to beat him at his own game.

If Dirrell had some "Floyd" in him, with the Forearms and "Dirty boxing", he'd have legit shot. but Froch and Arthur showed me he cant do that
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Andre Dirrell doesn't have enough heart, and Anthony doesn't have enough skill. The Dirrell family is close with my pops family (Flint, MI is that small) and they swear they could beat Andre Ward, I tell them every time I see them stop dreaming.
Ward vs. Dawson would be a very good fight, but I don't think Dawson has the heart to beat him either.
 
Dawson will beat Ward convincingly, and I do not even like Dawson. His physical and athletic advantages will be too much for Ward, despite him being a mental chump at times. Remember Ward has not faced anyone really fast or athletic.
Andre Dirrell will give Ward some trouble, but Ward will nip a close decision. Same goes for Andre Dirrell vs Dawson. Anthony Dirrell does not even have a shot against any of the Super 6 participants except for Allan Green.
 
I thought Sergio was fighting demarco?

Linares was a tune up for Demarco????????
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am I wrong?
 
Originally Posted by GUNNA GET IT

I thought Sergio was fighting demarco?

Linares was a tune up for Demarco????????
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am I wrong?
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No it's the other way around. Sergio Thompson is a no-name. I don't even see pictures of him on Google images.
 
The Thompson kid was a tune-up fight for Linares.

Had he gotten the W, he would've moved on to DeMarco in July.

So much for those plans...
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Originally Posted by CAFinest23

Originally Posted by Sir Rob A Lot

Don't worry you and the rest of us won't be able to watch Green-Kessler as no US network will pick it up.I'm also sickened with this match. Here's Ward -- I'm not slurping; anyone that's been following this thread knows that I've been an S.O.G. fan since he was an amatuer -- sitting on the sidelines as the #1 guy in the division, and it seems like everyone is blatantly ducking the man. Rather than avenge a loss to Ward, Kess is moving up to 175...to fight Allan Green?!There are some whispers around boxing circles that Kessler could be in the mix against any of the 175-lb champions should he get past Green.
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Ward goes out and straight up mugs guys in the ring, most people don't want to deal with that type of fight. 
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I don't think anyone wants to see Kessler/Ward again
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Ward had his big money fight right there in Bute but said he's a no name and needed to beat someone.  Which was kinda idiotic to me.  Showtime paid them both big money to face off with each other after the Super Six.  I would hate to see Froch beat Bute.
 
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