Official 2011 San Francisco Giants Season Thread (86-76) 2nd Place in NL West

[ricerocket1]

Jeremy let's do this

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

In general though, the contact play is over-rated.

The players are essentially playing catch, and it rarely ever works.

But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

In general though, the contact play is over-rated.

The players are essentially playing catch, and it rarely ever works.

But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

such a good oppo wasted

and another

 

[noblekane]

Originally Posted by GSDOUBLEU

such a good oppo wasted

and another

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

In general though, the contact play is over-rated.

The players are essentially playing catch, and it rarely ever works.

But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

In general though, the contact play is over-rated.

The players are essentially playing catch, and it rarely ever works.

But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

 

[rawex5]

1-0 and 2-1 pitches were the ones for Torres.

 

[rawex5]

1-0 and 2-1 pitches were the ones for Torres.

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24


But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24


But again, I dont think the idea is to expect to score there.  I mean, you can always hope for a bad throw. But you have to send him to stay out of the double play.  Its more about keeping the inning alive than expecting it to result in a run.

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

 

[rawex5]

Cody Ross will go yard.

 

[rawex5]

Cody Ross will go yard.

 

[chris82790]

Do we have any position players left on the bench besides Burriss?

 

[chris82790]

Do we have any position players left on the bench besides Burriss?

 

[rawex5]

I believe he's been used and there is nobody left.

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.  Torres stays and we have runners on 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd.  Really no strategic advantage from the Giants standpoint.  Praying for a wild pitch is no different than going on contact and hoping for a bad throw.  Either way, you are banking on the defense messing up.  No change in strategy.

 

[rawex5]

I believe he's been used and there is nobody left.

 

[dland24]

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

You can look back and look at the reply. Desmond was playing in and had all his attention towards Torres. Something Torres could have done instead was bluff towards home and run back. He didn't even have to go on the play. And because Desmond was solely paying attention to Torres, they wouldn't have been able to pull off the double play.

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.  Torres stays and we have runners on 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd.  Really no strategic advantage from the Giants standpoint.  Praying for a wild pitch is no different than going on contact and hoping for a bad throw.  Either way, you are banking on the defense messing up.  No change in strategy.

 

[rawex5]

Ankiel scares me.

 

[rawex5]

Ankiel scares me.

 

[rawex5]

If this game keeps going, which one of these position players can pitch? Probably Tejada.

Let's just end it now!

 

[rawex5]

If this game keeps going, which one of these position players can pitch? Probably Tejada.

Let's just end it now!

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.  Torres stays and we have runners on 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd.  Really no strategic advantage from the Giants standpoint.  Praying for a wild pitch is no different than going on contact and hoping for a bad throw.  Either way, you are banking on the defense messing up.  No change in strategy.

Don't really see the comparison between a wild pitch and hoping for a bad throw, really. But having runners at 1st and 3rd is different than having runners on 2nd and 3rd because it takes away the force.

 

[tim lincecum]

Originally Posted by dland24

Originally Posted by Tim Lincecum

Originally Posted by dland24

Yeah but you cant just assume that Desmond was only going to pay attention to Torres even if the infield is in.  And like Franch said, with two outs, it doesnt make a whole lot of difference if the runner is on 2nd or 3rd.

Desmond has to honor when Torres bluffs. Ross has good speed. That hesitation, then to throw to 2B to get Sanchez and to try to get Ross at 1st. I'll take my chances. You have to know your personnel.

And I disagree with 2 outs it doesn't matter if the runner is at 2nd or 3rd. As we saw there, Rodriguez was wild. That runner on 3rd would have still been huge.

I think we are going to have to agree to disagree.  Torres stays and we have runners on 1st and 3rd or 2nd and 3rd.  Really no strategic advantage from the Giants standpoint.  Praying for a wild pitch is no different than going on contact and hoping for a bad throw.  Either way, you are banking on the defense messing up.  No change in strategy.

Don't really see the comparison between a wild pitch and hoping for a bad throw, really. But having runners at 1st and 3rd is different than having runners on 2nd and 3rd because it takes away the force.