***Official 2011 MLB NL Central Thread***




JUPITER, Fla. (AP) -- St. Louis Cardinals ace Adam Wainwright will have Tommy John surgery on his right elbow and miss the entire season.

Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak confirmed the news Thursday from spring training camp. He said he learned the severity of the injury Wednesday night after the 29-year-old pitcher sought a second opinion from Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles. A surgery date is not set.

"It's not a real surprise to us but certainly a disappointment," Mozeliak said. "As we look to the future now we certainly believe we still have a strong starting rotation. Now we're going to have to look to try to fill it in terms of a fifth spot."

Wainwright, who won 20 games last year and was runner-up for the NL Cy Young Award, felt arm stiffness after Monday's throwing session. He had experienced soreness toward the end of last season and didn't pitch in September. He had minor arm issues in 1998 and 2004.

His loss leaves the team with a big hole in a starting rotation that for now include Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse, Jaime Garcia, and Jake Westbrook

"That's a big guy to miss," Lohse said. "We still got to go out there and play. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. We still have to go out there and do our jobs."

The Cardinals entered spring training with a rotation that Mozeliak said he would stack up against any in baseball.

"You're losing an ace," Mozeliak said. "It's not something you can replace overnight. I would also say we have four quality pitchers. It's not exactly like we have no bullets left."

Manager Tony La Russa said Wednesday, before learning the extent of the injury, that he didn't expect the Cardinals to try to replace Wainwright through a trade or free agent signing of someone like Kevin Millwood or possibly Pedro Martinez.

But that could change.

"You follow camps and see if something develops where it's a good fit," La Russa said. "But right now it's not a good fit because were going to cover it from within. We'll pay attention though, that's part of what you do in spring training. We have scouts all over and we'll watch box scores."

La Russa has six or seven pitchers in camp who will have the opportunity to join the rotation.

"Guys are assigned at least a couple appearances over the first eight to 10 games and then a lot of those decisions make themselves," La Russa said.

The list is headed by reliever Kyle McClellan and includes P.J. Walters, Lance Lynn, Adam Ottavino, Ian Snell, Brian Tallet and Brandon Dickson. McClellan and Tallet are penciled in to join the Cardinals bullpen. Walters, Lynn, Ottavino and Dickson helped comprise the Triple-A Memphis staff for most of last season.

La Russa sees plenty of work for the candidates during the early spring training games.

"Early it's not a problem," he said. "Even if you want to give a guy a look or something the squeeze comes after you've gone through the group twice, when you start really getting the guys [work] that are on the club. So we'll see where we are."

Tommy John surgery reconstructs the ulnar collateral ligament, replacing it with a tendon from elsewhere in the body. The procedure requires months of recovery. It is named after the pitcher who in 1974 became the first professional athlete to successfully have had the operation.

Mozeliak said spoke to Wainwright late Wednesday.

"Obviously he's down," Mozeliak said. "But he certainly understands what's at stake and he's disappointed but I think he's also relieved to know what the next step looks like."

The 6-foot-7 Wainwright went 20-11 with a 2.42 ERA last season, finishing behind Philadelphia's Roy Halladay in Cy Young balloting while making his first All-Star team. His 2.93 ERA since 2007 trails only Halladay, and no NL pitcher threw more than Wainwright's 463 1/3 innings during the past two seasons.

In 2009, Wainwright led the NL in wins (19), innings (233) and starts (34), winning a Gold Glove while finishing third in Cy Young voting.

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JUPITER, Fla. (AP) -- St. Louis Cardinals ace Adam Wainwright will have Tommy John surgery on his right elbow and miss the entire season.

Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak confirmed the news Thursday from spring training camp. He said he learned the severity of the injury Wednesday night after the 29-year-old pitcher sought a second opinion from Dr. Lewis Yocum in Los Angeles. A surgery date is not set.

"It's not a real surprise to us but certainly a disappointment," Mozeliak said. "As we look to the future now we certainly believe we still have a strong starting rotation. Now we're going to have to look to try to fill it in terms of a fifth spot."

Wainwright, who won 20 games last year and was runner-up for the NL Cy Young Award, felt arm stiffness after Monday's throwing session. He had experienced soreness toward the end of last season and didn't pitch in September. He had minor arm issues in 1998 and 2004.

His loss leaves the team with a big hole in a starting rotation that for now include Chris Carpenter, Kyle Lohse, Jaime Garcia, and Jake Westbrook

"That's a big guy to miss," Lohse said. "We still got to go out there and play. Nobody is going to feel sorry for us. We still have to go out there and do our jobs."

The Cardinals entered spring training with a rotation that Mozeliak said he would stack up against any in baseball.

"You're losing an ace," Mozeliak said. "It's not something you can replace overnight. I would also say we have four quality pitchers. It's not exactly like we have no bullets left."

Manager Tony La Russa said Wednesday, before learning the extent of the injury, that he didn't expect the Cardinals to try to replace Wainwright through a trade or free agent signing of someone like Kevin Millwood or possibly Pedro Martinez.

But that could change.

"You follow camps and see if something develops where it's a good fit," La Russa said. "But right now it's not a good fit because were going to cover it from within. We'll pay attention though, that's part of what you do in spring training. We have scouts all over and we'll watch box scores."

La Russa has six or seven pitchers in camp who will have the opportunity to join the rotation.

"Guys are assigned at least a couple appearances over the first eight to 10 games and then a lot of those decisions make themselves," La Russa said.

The list is headed by reliever Kyle McClellan and includes P.J. Walters, Lance Lynn, Adam Ottavino, Ian Snell, Brian Tallet and Brandon Dickson. McClellan and Tallet are penciled in to join the Cardinals bullpen. Walters, Lynn, Ottavino and Dickson helped comprise the Triple-A Memphis staff for most of last season.

La Russa sees plenty of work for the candidates during the early spring training games.

"Early it's not a problem," he said. "Even if you want to give a guy a look or something the squeeze comes after you've gone through the group twice, when you start really getting the guys [work] that are on the club. So we'll see where we are."

Tommy John surgery reconstructs the ulnar collateral ligament, replacing it with a tendon from elsewhere in the body. The procedure requires months of recovery. It is named after the pitcher who in 1974 became the first professional athlete to successfully have had the operation.

Mozeliak said spoke to Wainwright late Wednesday.

"Obviously he's down," Mozeliak said. "But he certainly understands what's at stake and he's disappointed but I think he's also relieved to know what the next step looks like."

The 6-foot-7 Wainwright went 20-11 with a 2.42 ERA last season, finishing behind Philadelphia's Roy Halladay in Cy Young balloting while making his first All-Star team. His 2.93 ERA since 2007 trails only Halladay, and no NL pitcher threw more than Wainwright's 463 1/3 innings during the past two seasons.

In 2009, Wainwright led the NL in wins (19), innings (233) and starts (34), winning a Gold Glove while finishing third in Cy Young voting.

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Jonny Gomes of the Reds was on the phone. He wanted to clear his name, and once and for all make sure everyone understands he never celebrated Cardinals star Adam Wainwright's season-ending elbow injury. Nor did he ever sing about it.

"I'm a firm believer in karma,'' Gomes said.

Gomes is trying to undo the damage by one controversial Internet report that suggested he celebrated news of Wainwright's injury by singing "Wainwright is gone!'' in the Reds clubhouse. That report has since been rewritten and regretted http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/ by the writer, Hall of Fame journalist Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News, and although McCoy backtracked in a redone report to say maybe he misheard or misunderstood what Gomes was actually saying, the original report was still read and believed by many.

I don't believe the original report. I believe Gomes.

Gomes has been through a lot in his young life, not just professional problems but real family and health issues. He lost his best friend, Adam Westcott, in a traffic accident in which he was a passenger, and he has a tattoo with the initials "AW'' on his biceps, with the inscription, "Tough times go away, Tough people don't.'' Gomes isn't one to celebrate the misfortune of others.

Gomes also had a heart attack on Chistmas Eve, 2002. He was 22 years old. "Checked that off my list real early,'' he said on the phone. Gomes is beloved in baseball circles, and was a 2009 finalist for the Hutch Award, which goes to a courageous player in honor of former Reds manager Fred Hutchinson.

Gomes says he was simply asking people, "Is Wainwright gone?'' after hearing of the injury in an early phone call from ex-Reds pitcher Rob Dibble. That McCoy has quickly suggested he may have been mistaken bolsters Gomes' account, which is that he was singing a Karate Kid song from The Karate Kid with the lyrics, "You're the best around. Never ever going to let you down.''

That doesn't sound much like "Wainwright is gone.'' But Gomes' past and character, and McCoy's quick about-face make Gomes' story very believable. The Cardinals and Reds have a rough rivalry going, but Gomes doesn't seem like the type to do something so rude. "We're all in this together,'' Gomes said by phone. "We need Wainwright. We need (Albert) Pujols. Baseball needs them.''

McCoy is 70 years old and while Gomes said he loves the well-respected writer, he noted that in a story about the birth of Gomes' son, Colt, several days ago McCoy referred to the newborn as "Colby Gomes.''

People make mistakes. Even writers.

McCoy apparently wrote his original dispatch from the airport before flying back to Dayton and didn't have the chance to confront Gomes before posting it. And while he has in effect taken it all back, damage was done, and I don't blame Gomes for getting the word out.

"Your reputation is just as big as your performance on the field,'' Gomes explained.

So he told his story to the Reds' beat writers and a handful of national writers. He said he wouldn't have been comfortable having a paid mouthpiece put out a statement "with big words,'' and instead sought to "take the bull by the horns,'' and make his correction and explanation directly to folks. That is refreshing.

While Cardinals manager Tony La Russa backed up Gomes, saying he knew Gomes and believed "he didn't mean anything by it,'' Gomes also took the time to get out word to Wainwright and Nick Punto, a Cardinals player he knows well who's going through a sports hernia injury himself.

Gomes said, "I've got to do what I can to patch this up.''


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Jonny Gomes of the Reds was on the phone. He wanted to clear his name, and once and for all make sure everyone understands he never celebrated Cardinals star Adam Wainwright's season-ending elbow injury. Nor did he ever sing about it.

"I'm a firm believer in karma,'' Gomes said.

Gomes is trying to undo the damage by one controversial Internet report that suggested he celebrated news of Wainwright's injury by singing "Wainwright is gone!'' in the Reds clubhouse. That report has since been rewritten and regretted http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/dayton/cincinnatireds/ by the writer, Hall of Fame journalist Hal McCoy of the Dayton Daily News, and although McCoy backtracked in a redone report to say maybe he misheard or misunderstood what Gomes was actually saying, the original report was still read and believed by many.

I don't believe the original report. I believe Gomes.

Gomes has been through a lot in his young life, not just professional problems but real family and health issues. He lost his best friend, Adam Westcott, in a traffic accident in which he was a passenger, and he has a tattoo with the initials "AW'' on his biceps, with the inscription, "Tough times go away, Tough people don't.'' Gomes isn't one to celebrate the misfortune of others.

Gomes also had a heart attack on Chistmas Eve, 2002. He was 22 years old. "Checked that off my list real early,'' he said on the phone. Gomes is beloved in baseball circles, and was a 2009 finalist for the Hutch Award, which goes to a courageous player in honor of former Reds manager Fred Hutchinson.

Gomes says he was simply asking people, "Is Wainwright gone?'' after hearing of the injury in an early phone call from ex-Reds pitcher Rob Dibble. That McCoy has quickly suggested he may have been mistaken bolsters Gomes' account, which is that he was singing a Karate Kid song from The Karate Kid with the lyrics, "You're the best around. Never ever going to let you down.''

That doesn't sound much like "Wainwright is gone.'' But Gomes' past and character, and McCoy's quick about-face make Gomes' story very believable. The Cardinals and Reds have a rough rivalry going, but Gomes doesn't seem like the type to do something so rude. "We're all in this together,'' Gomes said by phone. "We need Wainwright. We need (Albert) Pujols. Baseball needs them.''

McCoy is 70 years old and while Gomes said he loves the well-respected writer, he noted that in a story about the birth of Gomes' son, Colt, several days ago McCoy referred to the newborn as "Colby Gomes.''

People make mistakes. Even writers.

McCoy apparently wrote his original dispatch from the airport before flying back to Dayton and didn't have the chance to confront Gomes before posting it. And while he has in effect taken it all back, damage was done, and I don't blame Gomes for getting the word out.

"Your reputation is just as big as your performance on the field,'' Gomes explained.

So he told his story to the Reds' beat writers and a handful of national writers. He said he wouldn't have been comfortable having a paid mouthpiece put out a statement "with big words,'' and instead sought to "take the bull by the horns,'' and make his correction and explanation directly to folks. That is refreshing.

While Cardinals manager Tony La Russa backed up Gomes, saying he knew Gomes and believed "he didn't mean anything by it,'' Gomes also took the time to get out word to Wainwright and Nick Punto, a Cardinals player he knows well who's going through a sports hernia injury himself.

Gomes said, "I've got to do what I can to patch this up.''


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Gomes is just doing what everybody else in the NL central is thinking and doing privately
 
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Here it is fellas, you will notice I threw a couple fallen comrades in (zodogg & jblackcat13) because they earned their stripes and will always be remembered.
 
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Here it is fellas, you will notice I threw a couple fallen comrades in (zodogg & jblackcat13) because they earned their stripes and will always be remembered.
 
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