Offical 2009-10 NBA Season Thread

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

Originally Posted by Blazers21NTNP

Originally Posted by JapanAir21

Bhz... Come on now man..

You're sure they can finish AT LEAST THIRD?

Yall would be goddamn lucky if you finished fourth
I agree with all of this.
with the way the rockets are playing, i would say maybe it was a push. but, the hornets are definitely not looking too good. i think new orleans and memphis will start doing better as the season goes while the rockets get worse.

it just pisses me off to know we can beat teams and we have bad coaching mistakes that could've won us this game even after the mistakes the team made throughout the game. it should be fixed by the end of the november i'm hoping.
Small market teams beat good teams all the time, but it's stringing together wins, having players who can play consistently throughout the season, and have really good team chemistry that are successful in the regular season. Coaching isn't nearly as significant in games as it does in the Playoffs. George Karl and Avery Johnson have lead some damn good teams, but doesn't mean either of them were specifically good coaches in the regular season.

It's pretty rare for a team to do good without having some damn good players. Mayo is on his way, and Gay, Conley, ain't bad, and Marc is definitely legit, but a vastly superior Denver team was scraping the West with AI. I don't see them being as good as that team, and that team fought for the 8th spot.

I say an improvement, but still 10ish seed for the Grizzlies. Other teams just won't fold under pressure just because you're playing good every night. This is a league of professionals, no win comes easy.

There have been dozens of games in the past five years where I know the Mavs COULD win, but they always came up short, like against the Lakers. Straight up fact was that we weren't as good as them. Yall's coach doesn't have the best rotations, and yeah he may call a bad play, but he can only do so much from the sidelines.


Good individual talent doesn't equate to a good team, that's what Memphis has.

Honestly, I see LAC having a better year though. They are playing competitive basketball. All their players are playing good, and they have a Number one pick waiting to suit up. Kaman is beasting, Gordon is beasting, and they'll get better throughout the year.

alot of that is true. memphis is just really missing some true vets who are willing to play defense. the team is just too young to really make an impactconsistently at this point. its only so much randolph can do leadership wise. he's done a good job, but team defense just can't get it together alongwith the coaching. this can't be worse than the same team as last year though. we basically had the same road trip last season and i'm hoping we can atleast win 2 of the last 3 road games against GSW, LAL and LAC.

its games like this one that do show that we aren't ready to compete in the playoffs. we still can't beat the teams we suppose to beat. it might changelater on, but i hate losses like this one.

i think i said 38 wins at the beginning of the season? i'm still sticking by it, but they got to make a turn around.

LAC has looked pretty bad too. its just tough to tell how alot of these teams are going to be for the whole season.
 
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AI complaining already...

That %##% had disaster written all over it before it began...anyone who was optimistic about it was an idiot.

Here we are 4 games into the season...AI's already mad after his first game...and the teams Mayo/Gay are already going at it. Who wants to pretend likethere isn't more to come?
 
what's good with the Rondo/Paul beef?

http://hornetshype.com/wp/2009/10/31/and-tonight-in-the-role-of-rafer-alston-we-have-rajon-rondo/

Kendrick Perkins told Chris Mannix of SI that Rajon Rondo said "Chris Paul has the stats that he has because he has the ball in his hands all game."




http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_y...slug=aw-paulhornets110309&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

The procession of trash talk, sources said, pushed into the personal when Rondo was heard to tell Paul, "I've got a ring, and you're never gonna win one."


As they traded technical fouls at the Boston Garden, as emotions escalated, sources said Rondo declared that Paul wished he could be him, suggesting that his frustration dripped with envy. On the way to the locker room, Hornets coach Byron Scott heard Paul insist that Rondo "is gonna respect me as a man," and soon Paul started on his way down the corridor to tell the Celtics point guard himself


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Rondo is a fool to think he can talk *!%@ to CP3... everyone know she wouldn't be anywhere if he wasn't playing with 3 HOFers.
 
[h1]Raptors Hoping To Honor Vince Carter[/h1]

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Nov 03, 2009 7:50 AM EST

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The Raptors are looking to honor Vince Carter as part of their 15th anniversary celebrations.

The team is hoping to do so on Nov. 22 when the Magic travel to Toronto.

"Everybody wants to know how we can do it, but Vince is part of the history here," general manager Bryan Colangelo told the Orlando Sentinel. "Most of the people that he had problems with here are gone."



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Originally Posted by AIRJORDAN JB23


[h1]Raptors Hoping To Honor Vince Carter[/h1]

[h3]More Raptors News[/h3]
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Nov 03, 2009 7:50 AM EST

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The Raptors are looking to honor Vince Carter as part of their 15th anniversary celebrations.

The team is hoping to do so on Nov. 22 when the Magic travel to Toronto.

"Everybody wants to know how we can do it, but Vince is part of the history here," general manager Bryan Colangelo told the Orlando Sentinel. "Most of the people that he had problems with here are gone."



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Yeah, that is a bad idea...for obvious reasons.
 
The procession of trash talk, sources said, pushed into the personal when Rondo was heard to tell Paul, "I've got a ring, and you're never gonna win one."
As they traded technical fouls at the Boston Garden, as emotions escalated, sources said Rondo declared that Paul wished he could be him, suggesting that his frustration dripped with envy. On the way to the locker room, Hornets coach Byron Scott heard Paul insist that Rondo "is gonna respect me as a man," and soon Paul started on his way down the corridor to tell the Celtics point guard himself

Not gonna lie, I prefer when dudes genuinely don't care for each other. It seems like everybody is a little too buddy buddy nowadays. It makesbasketball a little more interesting imo.
 
Originally Posted by Im Not You

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AI complaining already...

That %##% had disaster written all over it before it began...anyone who was optimistic about it was an idiot.

Here we are 4 games into the season...AI's already mad after his first game...and the teams Mayo/Gay are already going at it. Who wants to pretend like there isn't more to come?



What's the big deal with the OJ/Gay thing? Because one player says something to the team about defense and frustration is brewing due to the refs notcalling *@#! for the team is a bad thing? I would rather him say something than just not say nothing at all. It shows signs of leadership. I'm sure if Kobetold Artest something on the bench and they got into it that it wouldn't mean its a bad sign of things to come.

OJ and Rudy looked fine in the Kings game sharing the ball.
 
Originally Posted by Bigmike23

bad idea why?
1. He is playing on another team...
2. The circumstances he left under...
3. People still hate him here....
4. There is a good chance he will get booed.




$@#% that dude.
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Originally Posted by bhzmafia14

Originally Posted by Im Not You

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AI complaining already...

That %##% had disaster written all over it before it began...anyone who was optimistic about it was an idiot.

Here we are 4 games into the season...AI's already mad after his first game...and the teams Mayo/Gay are already going at it. Who wants to pretend like there isn't more to come?



What's the big deal with the OJ/Gay thing? Because one player says something to the team about defense and frustration is brewing due to the refs not calling *@#! for the team is a bad thing? I would rather him say something than just not say nothing at all. It shows signs of leadership. I'm sure if Kobe told Artest something on the bench and they got into it that it wouldn't mean its a bad sign of things to come.

OJ and Rudy looked fine in the Kings game sharing the ball.


Dude if you can't admit that the Grizzlies are a mess then I dont know what to say. You dont even have to watch them to know this, all you need to do islook at a team photo.
 
The procession of trash talk, sources said, pushed into the personal when Rondo was heard to tell Paul, "I've got a ring, and you're never gonna win one."

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DJ augustin is the entire bench of the Bobcats.
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That mess needs to get cleaned up asap. I don't even see a young stud franchise type guy on that squad. Where all there top picks go? DJ and Felton allI see, and they play the same spot.
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Did anyone hear Kornheiser and Wilbon rip CP3 a new one tonight? God damn.
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They said if Chris played back when Jordan and Bird were in their primes, he wouldn't even be able to be on the court, because he'd be sobbing from allthe trash talk.
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DJ augustin is the entire bench of the Bobcats.
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That mess needs to get cleaned up asap. I don't even see a young stud franchise type guy on that squad. Where all there top picks go? DJ and Felton all I see, and they play the same spot.
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i don't see why he doesn't start over Felton. Felton is washed
 
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh

Originally Posted by Bigmike23

bad idea why?
1. He is playing on another team...
2. The circumstances he left under...
3. People still hate him here....
4. There is a good chance he will get booed.




$@#% that dude.
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that video is riddled with saltiness, not even worth watching.
 
Originally Posted by CP1708

DJ augustin is the entire bench of the Bobcats.
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That mess needs to get cleaned up asap. I don't even see a young stud franchise type guy on that squad. Where all there top picks go? DJ and Felton all I see, and they play the same spot.
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I saw them play the C's on opening night, they are downright awful, they got no go to player, Augustin seems to be the only guy. Wallace ispaid like a franchise guy but he is what he is at this point of his career, 2nd/3rd fiddle type on a good team.

Why the Bobcats didnt sign Iverson is beyond me, at least he can still put the ball in the hoop.
 
Originally Posted by Julian Wright

The procession of trash talk, sources said, pushed into the personal when Rondo was heard to tell Paul, "I've got a ring, and you're never gonna win one."

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I can't believe this clown actually said that
This isn't even a laughing matter in my eyes. If Rondo seriously said this, he is the biggest LAME in the L by default. WHO THE %%*# DO YOUTHIN YOU ARE?!

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Yes, I'm MAD.
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- Didn't comment on it before, but sorry to hear about Bill retiring.

- CP3 is a !$!+#

- Popeye definitely got jacked up by the cops. I'm not trying to hear about him "slipping and falling".
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- Redd....
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- Luol Deng with 20 boards tonight.
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- Steve Nash actually balling this season so far. 20 assists the other night and 30 points tonight. Gotta tip my hat.
 
Originally Posted by Tony Starks

Are there 5 teams worse than the Nets?


Unfortunately I dont think so...they better sign some big free agents next year
 
Paul's frustration grows, even as he hides it

NEW YORK - Never is there a wise time to test the tolerance of the planet's best point guard, but Rajon Rondo has that irritating ability to push people's patience to the brink. The sluggish state of the New Orleans Hornets had Chris Paul seething on Sunday night, his mood even edgier with a report that Rondo had privately disparaged Paul's talents within the Boston Celtics' locker room.

Chris Paul and the Hornets have lost three of their first four games after reaching the West semifinals two seasons ago.

Beyond the charming smile and gentlemanly disposition, Paul has a tenacious will and a terrific temper. Beyond it all, he's downright ferocious.

So, here was Rondo surrounded with an embarrassment of point guard riches - K.G., Paul Pierce and Ray Allen, a championship banner and a fat, new $55 million contract. Rondo felt emboldened, eager to engage Paul. The procession of trash talk, sources said, pushed into the personal when Rondo was heard to tell Paul, "I've got a ring, and you're never gonna win one."

As they traded technical fouls at the Boston Garden, as emotions escalated, sources said Rondo declared that Paul wished he could be him, suggesting that his frustration dripped with envy. On the way to the locker room, Hornets coach Byron Scott heard Paul insist that Rondo "is gonna respect me as a man," and soon Paul started on his way down the corridor to tell the Celtics point guard himself.

Several coaches prevented Paul from getting close to Rondo outside the Celtics' locker room, but the overriding theme of Paul's rage was easily understood: Before you talk trash again, feel free to walk a mile in my Brand Jordan's.

"If Rondo had to trade in K.G., Pierce, Ray and Rasheed for the guys that Chris plays with [in New Orleans], I guarantee that you wouldn't be seeing Rondo get a $55 million contract," one Hornets source said.

Twenty-four hours later on Monday night, Paul played brilliantly - 32 points and 13 assists - and still the Hornets lost again. This time, it was to the pitiful New York Knicks, 117-111 at Madison Square Garden. When someone suggested the Hornets could lose contact with contenders like the Los Angeles Lakers and San Antonio Spurs in the Western Conference, that the Hornets didn't want to be a seventh or eighth seed, Paul responded in a most truthful way. "Man," he said, "we want to get to the playoffs."

The Hornets are no longer contending with the elite of the West, but fighting to simply make the playoffs. There's an arms race of payroll and facilities the Hornets haven't joined under penny-pinching owner George Shinn. Shinn doesn't have the resources to chase championships, and never will.

The owner runs the Hornets like a mom-and-pop operation, with his son-in-law and son in high-ranking jobs, with the most bare-boned front office and scouting staffs in the NBA. The Hornets have plans for a new practice facility, but currently play in a dumpy community center best suited for the bird and reptile shows that cover most of its calendar. It speaks to Paul's character, his loyalty, that he signed a three-year extension with New Orleans in 2008.

This is a treacherous time for the 24-year-old Paul, a crossroads for a career that's at the mercy of circumstances beyond his control. At a time when his twentysomething all-world peers - LeBron James and Dwyane Wade, Dwight Howard and Carmelo Anthony- play for committed organizations with serious owners, the faulty infrastructure of Shinn's flimsy franchise has undermined Paul's championship ambitions.

"I'm envious," Paul said. "I'm very envious. Those guys have been where I want to get to. This is my fifth year in the league, and I'm not trying to wait until I'm an old veteran in this league to win a championship. We're trying to win now."

They're trying, but Paul knows that his general manager, Jeff Bower, has to trim $3 million off the payroll to dodge the luxury tax. The Hornets can't win a playoff series as constructed, and deep down Paul understands his greatness is born of his passing and playmaking, born of elevating those around him. He can score, but that'll never be the way the Hornets win with him.

"I'm a point guard," he said. "I can't score the ball like Carmelo, LeBron and D-Wade. At the end of the day, it's always going to be a team thing with us, with me getting guys involved."

Paul's unselfishness has always spilled out of the gymnasium. He was raised to honor loyalty and still treats his alma mater, Wake Forest, and that Winston-Salem community with incredible generosity. He believed he had a responsibility to be a part of the rebuilding of New Orleans' pride, its city.

From an empty arena, Paul saved the New Orleans Hornets the way that LSU's own Pistol Pete Maravich could never save the New Orleans Jazz. He turned David West( into an All-Star and resurrected Tyson Chandler's career. No player - not LeBron, not D-Wade - means more to a team, a franchise.

Shinn is a farce, forever insisting that his moral compass brought the franchise back from exile in Oklahoma City, but truth be told he never wanted to return. The NBA pushed him into New Orleans, understanding it would've been a PR nightmare to abandon the post-Katrina city. That's Shinn, the ultimate front-runner. He now takes bows for the Hornets' popularity, but it's laughable.

Every star in the NBA would be crying for help, would be demanding higher payroll and a higher caliber of teammate. Tell Paul about the payroll escalation with San Antonio and Dallas in the Southwest Division and he never, ever bites. There's enough in this locker room to win, he will tell you, even if deep down he has his own doubts. Yet, he understands he has to convince his teammates that he believes to ever have a chance to get the most out of them.

"Hey, I'm going to be a team guy," he said. "Anytime something happens, I'm going to have my guys' backs. …When I talk to Jeff [Bower], it's all about, 'What can we do with the guys that we have?' "

In every way, this makes him the rarest of franchise players. Paul understands that it's his responsibility, a burden assumed in good times and bad. It's noble for him, and, yet sadly, it probably puts him at a competitive disadvantage. Paul's never made demands on Hornets ownership, that way that LeBron does with Cleveland, the way that Tim Duncan did with San Antonio.

Sometimes, a star has to hold his franchise accountable in public and private. Sometimes, he has to keep the fear of him leaving in free agency - or forcefully demanding a trade - to keep everyone honest and accountable. He has a good GM and a winning coach on his side, but the Hornets need bigger budgets for scouting and assistant coaches. They're a mid-major trying to compete with BCS powers, and Paul is the star quarterback with too little offensive line protection, too few playmakers to catch the ball.

Outside the visiting locker room on Monday night, on his walk to visit with family on the trip, Paul conceded, "This [franchise] is still a work in progress. We're still an organization that's trying to get up … "

For now, Paul has never been so frustrated. He has no patience for losing. Baseball season still isn't over and the losing, the non-competitiveness of his team, is taking its toll. He lost his cool with Rondo, and appeared to swipe at Al Harrington's head on the floor while chasing a loose ball Monday. Paul had no use for Rondo, but the partial noogie that he gave Harrington, a friend, was clearly a misdemeanor of passion.

The NBA is investigating the Rondo matter, CBS Sportsline reported, but it's doubtful anything punitive will come of it. After the game Sunday night, Celtics guard Ray Allen walked into the Hornets' locker room, witnesses said, and all but expressed his embarrassment for Rondo's increasingly tired act.

Still, those words from Rondo had to hit Chris Paul like a freight train - You'll never win a ring - because so much of success in this sport is born out of circumstance and good fortune. Rondo stumbled into the Big 3 in Boston for a championship, and Paul ended up with the Celtics' leftover sixth man, James Posey, who can barely function on the floor this season.

Chris Paul is the planet's best point guard and wouldn't need that staggering array of talent surrounding Rondo to win titles of his own.

When asked how difficult mediocrity could get for him this season, asked how he would ever stand for it, Paul said, "Let me say this: I want to win."

His eyes were wide now, and he wanted his point understood. "I … want … to … win. Whatever it takes me to do, I'm going to find a way."

As a leader, that's his burden. As a pragmatic basketball mind, it's ultimately unrealistic. He needs more help. He needs a level plane. For now, Chris Paul isn't chasing championships in New Orleans. He's chasing windmills. He's just trying to get back to .500, just trying to make the playoffs. Bring Rondo and his tough-talking mouth to New Orleans, and, well, the $55 million point guard would look like he's lording over the Sacramento Kings. Before you talk your trash again, feel free to walk a season in Chris Paul's Brand Jordans.
Not the biggest Chris Paul fan but damn
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He's just going to have to be more upset after losing to the Mavs tomorrow.
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Originally Posted by Tony Starks

Are there 5 teams worse than the Nets?

Nets lost a heartbreaker on opening night. Then played 2 tough teams (Orl, Wiz). Lost their All Star guard to injury (and he hasn't played since). Thenlost another starter in the 4th game. I'm not surprised they struggled so badly against the Cats.

Nets will be better once they get their pieces back.
 
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