NFL Discussion Thread: Pats win SB XLIX. Offseason begins

[laker4lifeman]

We could probably field a team with the picks the Raiders have given up on QB's

 

[Bobby Layne]

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#Lions DT Nick Fairley will get a 2nd opinion on his knee Friday or early next week, I’m told. Belief now is no surgery, out about a month

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According to three sources, Jon Gruden spent round 1 of the draft imploring the #Raiders: Draft Johnny Manziel. Just imagine #whatif
10:10 AM - 26 Oct 2014

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Jon Gruden told one close friend: “If there is one job I’d come back to the @NFL for, it’s the #Raiders.” But will he leave his current job?

 

[Hahahaha]

I can't see Gruden going to the Raiders. That team is in shambles and he makes too much now doing absolutely nothing.

 

[shatterkneesinc]

What is with the McGloin obsession

his name is matt

any qb named matt has job security

 

[illoquent aka dsk]

*Matt Flynn handrub*

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

I can't see Gruden going to the Raiders. That team is in shambles and he makes too much now doing absolutely nothing.

they had their best draft in years! they arent as dysfunctional as the AL Days

 

[dmxfury]

There should be a 30 for 30 on Al's fall from dominance

 

[HNL HI]

Gruden should just shut the hell up to be honest. He aint ever coaching again, just stop.

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

There should be a 30 for 39 on Al's fall from dominance

They're was a good article a few years back on it. Was actually sad he would get duped by these agents for more money. SI did it I believe

 

[DeadsetAce]

y'all see this article on punter Adam Podlesh and his wife and new born child? crazy stuff. sorry if posted already:

Wednesday, October 29, 2014
Family comes first for Adam Podlesh
By Tania Ganguli
ESPN.com

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. -- Adam Podlesh wanted to cry, he wanted to shout and he wanted to do something, but he knew none of that would help. So he paced as doctors and nurses worked to save the life of his wife, Miranda.

The plan Podlesh and his head coach, Mike Tomlin, agreed upon was that he would stay home in Florida, watch his wife deliver their second child, and then join his teammates in training camp a few days later. Instead, Podlesh watched her labor begin. He watched her body start to give out. He watched panic set over the hospital room, heard the words "Code Blue" and wondered if he was about to become a widower.

Miranda went into cardiac arrest and, with a complete placental abruption, the oxygen supply to the baby inside her quickly waned.

As he paced back and forth outside the operating room, his job as an NFL punter and the competition for his job with the Pittsburgh Steelers, never entered his thoughts.

"I thought to myself, at best, I'm going to have a special needs child and wife," he said. "That's basically what was going through my head, and, in all honesty, I was hoping that that would be the case.

"Just keep them alive."

Seven or eight minutes later, a nurse wheeled a healthy Carter Podlesh into the nursery, not the neonatal intensive care unit. That was a relief. The mortality rate for fetuses in women who suffer even a partial placental abruption is 15 times higher than for women without abruptions, according to the American Journal of Epidemiology. Miranda Podlesh was still alive. That was another huge relief. Her blood pressure had dropped sharply during delivery, and her vital statistics wavered precariously.

Although she survived the initial complications, she wasn't out of danger yet.

She was conscious without active painkillers when she felt a doctor cut open her stomach and rip her baby out. Had the delivery taken much longer, Carter would have drowned in her womb. She panicked silently, unable to physically scream, as she was wired to get her heart restarted. Then she drifted in and out of consciousness, asking for her husband and baby when she could.

That day marked the end of the baby's trauma, but not hers.

Her heart was failing. None of them knew that yet.

But Adam knew one thing very clearly -- there was no way he was going back to Pittsburgh, back to football at all, not yet. He wouldn't leave her side until he helped nurse her back to health.


The Podleshes met in Jacksonville, introduced by Jaguars kicker Josh Scobee and his wife. Adam lived there for four years after being drafted by the Jaguars in 2007. He and Miranda started dating in 2009 and moved to Chicago in 2011, when Adam signed a free agent deal with the Bears that included a $2 million signing bonus. After three seasons in Chicago, the Bears released Adam in March, and he signed with the Steelers in April.

In the weeks following Carter's birth, Adam called Tomlin as often as he could to provide updates. While the plan was to arrive at training camp only a week late, what happened on July 26 changed everything.

Tomlin told Adam to take his time. Eventually, Tomlin said more updates weren't necessary.

"If they said you have to come up, I would have just said, 'Release me,'" Adam said. "I needed to stay down here."

Miranda lost so much blood from the placental abruption that she required transfusions. But even afterward, she got worse. She had to be reminded to breathe. Eventually, an oxygen mask wasn't enough to sustain her breathing. Her doctor had to insert a tube in her throat. Her lungs built up so much fluid, doctors thought she had pneumonia. Her skin turned an ashen color, and her family worried they'd lose her.

A doctor told Miranda's mother, Starr Keating, that she would have to go on a ventilator soon if her condition didn't improve.

"I just kept thinking, 'How could things keep getting worse?'" Keating said.

The medical staff caring for her was also perplexed by her deteriorating condition. Myriad tests were administered, until an echocardiogram, which measures heart function, finally solved the mystery. Peripartum cardiomyopathy, a condition that likely began late in her pregnancy, was causing her heart to fail.

"I remember thinking, I was out of it the whole day, but just telling myself to wake up because people were trying to get me to wake up, to take a deep breath," Miranda said. "I remember hearing that, but I couldn't get myself to wake up. I didn't have the energy."

Miranda stayed in intensive care for five days. Either Adam or her mother was always with her. Carter would be wheeled in on a rolling bassinet with a plastic cover to separate him from germs. Adam thought it looked like a tiny motorcade. It was rare to see a baby visit the ICU, and Carter became a little celebrity.

Nurses openly called him a miracle baby.

The Podleshes' daughter, Addison, who turned 2 this month, came to visit once but was terrified by the machines and mask helping Miranda breathe. She cried as she approached, scared, and Miranda cried, saddened by her daughter's fear.


Upon leaving the hospital, Adam, Miranda, Carter and Addison moved in with Miranda's parents. The family's home in Jacksonville has stairs that Miranda wouldn't yet be able to climb. She had to stay in bed and keep her activity to the absolute minimum. Nursing her newborn was complicated because of the medication.

It was Adam who woke up to feed Addison mini muffins for breakfast and give her water with a splash of lemonade after she awoke at 5:30 or 6 a.m. He made sure she was watching appropriate television shows. He brought Carter to Miranda and changed the baby's diaper when that time came.

Eight times a day, he brought Miranda various medications. She took a diuretic to remove excess fluid, potassium to replace what was lost from the diuretic, a medication intended to slow and strengthen her heartbeats and two antibiotics.

Other family members helped, too. Neighbors brought hot dinners. Everyone had to watch Miranda to keep her from trying to help cook or clean up afterward. Her inability to do anything on her own frustrated her. As a former nurse, she was used to taking care of others, not having others take care of her.

"We feel very fortunate that Miranda met Adam," said her father, Ken Keating. "In these stressful times, he just has a natural way, his priorities were in the right place during this whole challenge."

Today, Miranda Podlesh looks like a healthy, 30-year-old mother of two. She's now independent enough that Adam felt comfortable resuming training in September and now feels ready to work out for teams.

Podlesh is grateful for the way the Steelers treated him. The team initially kept Adam on the reserve/did not report list, because that allowed him to return to the team at any time. As the season began, though, they moved on to punter Brad Wing.

When Adam felt ready to return, he took himself off the DNR list, and the Steelers released him, allowing him to become a free agent on Sept. 30. The in-season demand for punters usually depends on injuries, and he might have to wait until next season to play again.

While the Minnesota Vikings continue to pay Adrian Peterson as he goes through the legal process after being accused of child abuse, and while the Carolina Panthers continue to pay Greg Hardy as he appeals a domestic violence conviction, Podlesh was owed nothing.

After public and sponsor outcry, Peterson and Hardy were placed on the commissioner's exempt list, which calls for players to keep their salary. Being on the reserve/did not report list meant Podlesh had to forgo paychecks when he chose to stay home to take care of his family. Adam retains NFL health insurance through 2019, but the future of his career remains uncertain.

It all makes Miranda feel guilty, even though she couldn't control any of it.

Thinking about that, tears filled her eyes as she sat on her mother's couch one afternoon in September. She wasn't thinking about her painful delivery, her recovery or how difficult the past several weeks had been for her.

"Just burdening everybody," she said, softly, as her husband reaches over to her. "I feel responsible for taking him from his job and what he needs to do."

All the way back to when she was recovering in the ICU, she's often shared that feeling with Adam.

"It wasn't even something that we thought about," he said. "It was just the reaction. I keep reassuring her. We kept reassuring her. ... I even said it, 'You did the same thing for me.'"

It wasn't the hypothetical, "You would do the same thing for me." Four years ago, Adam was diagnosed with cancer. Miranda, then his girlfriend, took a leave from her job to fly from Jacksonville to Philadelphia, where he was being treated, to care for him.

When the Podleshes reflect on the events of the past few months, they feel lucky.

"To put it very bluntly, Carter shouldn't be alive if you look at it statistically, and [Miranda] most likely shouldn't be alive, looking at it," Adam said. "If a different move had been made at X point, at Y point, at Z point, neither of them would have been here."

Said Miranda: "Everything just seemed to go in our favor. At first, your reaction is to kind of blame, 'Oh, did this cause it or did so and so cause it by giving this med?' You try to think of what made that happen and how they're related. But when you take a step back, you realize, all these things went right for us."

Most critically, Miranda's primary obstetrician was already at the hospital when she went into labor -- on a typical Saturday, he wouldn't have been there. This allowed him to quickly perform surgery, a factor which might have been the difference between life and death for both Miranda and Carter. She was told there wasn't anyone else able to perform the surgery at the hospital at that time, and she could have bled to death, realizing Adam's deepest fear.

Instead, their family is whole.

 

[T0INE]

^ Wow, that's crazy.

 

[tripda6]

at that story

 

[ice city fc]

 

In all fairness without looking at the stats.

Teddy has played like crap and Bortles just started recently.

How are Carrs stats anyways?

This is Derek Carr's competition:

He's the best by default. Congratulations on being the biggest turd in the toilet bowl.

Half of his touchdowns came in one game against San Diego. He's averaging 6.09 yards per passing attempt, which puts him at 32nd overall. For a guy on such a ****** team, he's only been sacked 7 times. Huh, guess that o-line ain't so bad? Oh... they're not. The fourth ranked team in pass-blocking.

And please don't compare Derek Carr to Andrew Luck ever again. There's a much better comparison to be made.


Just another average rookie QB.

 You're a damn fool if you think the Raiders have a top 5 pass blocking unit in the league. Love how some of you pick and choose wisely when and how you want to use statistics to back a point. 

Funny thing is, and you'd have to actually watch snaps to see this, Carr actually deserves a fair share of the credit for the low sack totals. He was making protection adjustments at the line in week 1 that a lot of rookies aren't at any point in their first year. He also naturally avoids pressure and steps up in the pocket very well. 

Darren McFadden is averaging more YPC than LeSean McCoy, Alfred Morris, Andre Ellington and the Cincinnati Bengals backfield duo.

QB has to carry a team sometime...

Like how selective can you be?  According to you the Raiders must have the fourth best pass blocking o-line in the entire league because of the fact that they've given up the fourth least sacks.

Now you disregard the fact that the Raiders are dead last in team rushing, because you want to choose just to acknowledge that McFadden is averaging a decent YPC? You're a joke fam. 

 

Not saying he's good. Not taking any sides. Just saying It's still too early to judge rookies like Carr with what they have to work with.

Exactly this. Not every draft class is going to be Luck/Russ/Foles/Bob/Tanne. Gotta give these dudes a year or two before we judge.

So we can play the weapons card with one QB, but not with the other? We're going to use the read option excuse?

Terrelle Pryor won three games with the Raiders and had no weapons. Andrew Luck took a 2-14 team to 11-5. But yeah, same diff.

And **** with that 'backtrack' noise. I've admitted many mistakes (was high on the Trent trade, thought Matt Barkley was the next big thing, etc). Derek Carr is currently 0-7. I'm closer to my prediction than y'all are.

Carr White Knight Brigade is out in force this morning. Goodness.

 

[jaysfiend23]

Suprised R3 is starting already food for Jain hopefully he stays healthy and in the pocket more chancea than not

Champ bailey retires today I thought a team would give him a shot to win a ring this year lol all the problems the jets have at cb you think a guy like that would even get a shot

The boz 30-30 was a great one and shows how and why his college carter ended hbisguqjn

 

[buc em]

Suprised R3 is starting already food for Jain hopefully he stays healthy and in the pocket more chancea than not

Champ bailey retires today I thought a team would give him a shot to win a ring this year lol all the problems the jets have at cb you think a guy like that would even get a shot

The boz 30-30 was a great one and shows how and why his college carter ended hbisguqjn

Go back to sleep.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

 You're a damn fool if you think the Raiders have a top 5 pass blocking unit in the league.

Actually, fool, the Oakland Raiders currently have the 4th ranked pass-blocking rated by Pro Football Focus. Your little eye test means nothing.

This dude really tried to say, but but but but, Pryor had won three games at this point. Pryor also got his *** benched and replaced by McGloin who's now back on the bench, stuck behind Carr.

Doesn't take away from the fact he won three games, sparky.

Also, sorry that I didn't see your silly question because it was buried among the 3 pages of Lexus/Audi talk. Here let me answer it for you, since you think it's so serious:

Since you want to pretend like you've actually been evaluating Carr's play this season, what parts of his game can you point to that says he's not a promising QB? Again I'll wait for you to come back with some half *** deflection like, "Raiders are 0-7 har har"

Locking onto a single target, throwing off his back foot, inaccurate/poor placement on throws (his receivers have helped him numerous times in this regard), throwing across his body. Same **** he did in college. Better now?

2) Consensus around the league is unanimous

WHAT CONSENSUS? PLEASE SHOW ME A LIST OF EVERY GENERAL MANAGER AND COACH WHO SAY THIS. THANK YOU.

It's obvious that you're butthurt by people not riding the Derek Carr train. Calm down kiddo. Let me point you to something I said a few months ago, OK?

http://niketalk.com/t/594149/nfl-discussion-thread-mint-condition/9960#post_21484708

Now pull ya skirt up and move along.

 

[Maximus Meridius]

Chester got mad as hell at that Luck/Carr comparison.

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

This Andrew Luck knob slobbing is so unbearable at times. A guy who, in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished **** in that league can't have his stats compared to anybody else

And God forbid anybody gives credit to another young quarterback .

Luck is the goods, we know. But he's not the only young QB out here with a promising future.

 

[100027]

This Andrew Luck knob slobbing is so unbearable at times. A guy who, in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished **** in that league can't have his stats compared to anybody else

And God forbid anybody gives credit to another young quarterback

.

Luck is the goods, we know. But he's not the only young QB out here with a promising future.

You're about to get internet-assaulted.

 

[SneakerProSr.]

This Andrew Luck knob slobbing is so unbearable at times. A guy who, in the grand scheme of things, hasn't accomplished **** in that league can't have his stats compared to anybody else

And God forbid anybody gives credit to another young quarterback .

Luck is the goods, we know. But he's not the only young QB out here with a promising future.

I was starting to think I was the only one.

 

[Chester McFloppy]

*looks at who responded*

 

[100027]

I was starting to think I was the only one.

The avy 

 

[skurrtskurrt29]

You're about to get internet-assaulted.

it's just corny. Every time I come in this thread somebody has the nerve to mention how some other QB other than Andrew Luck is having an ok game or season, and every single time one of the usuals has to mention how said player is not Andrew Luck.

I mean, the lengths some of you guys go thru to discredit certain players, just because, is ******ed. But the minute somebody mentions that Luck may be, just a tad, overrated at this point in his career, you all of a sudden don't know what you're talking about and the excuses are plentiful

 

[jumpmanfromdabay]

Chester got mad as hell at that Luck/Carr comparison.

 

[licensed to ball]

My dude Jumpman having an all-time great week.

Giants win the World Series.
Raiders are the main team of discussion in the NFL thread for the entire week.

You aren't dreaming Jump!
*pinch*