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ask them how they feel about the topic of rape shame then report back
NBC employee claims Bill Cosby paid off women, invited young models to dressing room.
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It's not a gray area at all.
Coerced sex isn't consensual sex. It's considered "forced through coercion" and is still sexual assault.
Just because dudes want to blur that line doesn't mean it is so.
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jello puddin for sum puddin
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I wouldn't because honestly, this is just a misunderstanding compared to what happened to her.
I understand its gonna mess them up emotionally , but to call it public shame is a bit of a reach.
No one is yelling and pointing, "Look! Look at the rape victim and laugh!!!" I understand thats how victims may feel, but that in the inside, internal. Not public.
Maybe Im being over literal, but it aint "public shame".
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You're confused here. I'm not saying he's suppose to do anything in the thread topic situation. I'm saying if the victims want to make that **** public since dude was never charged that's perfectly fine for them to inform the public of the truth and let the public decide what they do with that info. In that hypothetical though, you'd think knowing about that and caring that it's true would inform you on how you act around that person and treat them.So the old man next door has raped 20 women in his life time, of age and under age. Never got charged let alone convicted so he's not registered as a sex offender. You don't care?
You sound like Cam'ron talking about he'd just move if a known terrorist was living next door
So what are you supposed to do? The same law that makes him a bad person is the same law keeping him out of jail.
What is caring gonna do?
You find that out and you telling me you don't care? When you're kids or nephews and nieces come around it's cool for that dude to watch them for a while? We just suppose to not care about rapists and child predators now cuz they were never charged or convicted? So according to you the only rapists that matter are the ones that did time?
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I realize that. The whole drugging thing seems a lil snowball to me though. Correct me if I'm wrong...Janice Dickinson was the first to report the drugging?
I'm speaking strictly of the facts here. I don't know if he was slipping chick roofies...doing a line w/ them, having a few drinks, blowing some loud etc etc etc. What is apparent though is that these women were constantly coming to his crib, and some consistently receiving checks from him.
I'm curious, and maybe you can answer this. Did any of the victims he allegedly drugged have sex or continue some type of relationship with him?
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The conviction isnt the thing I have a problem with, its the age.
Even if said person was eventually convicted, at 80 years old, he's only gonna do about a year and die.
A waste of time and money.
Even if said person was eventually convicted, at 80 years old, he's only gonna do about a year and die.
A waste of time and money.
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I separate them because coercion doesn't always mean non-consent. That's why gray area exists. Well I guess by direct dictionary definition coercion implies non-willingness. So maybe you're right.
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Coercion is still loose and subjective term. It depends on the situation and environment.
But yeah in this situation it sounds like non-willingness.
But yeah in this situation it sounds like non-willingness.
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forget dictionary, the law.
if you coerce through any means, fraud, authority, that is sexual assault.
no gray area.
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I feel like almost everyone has made good points here though.
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it's as no more or less lose than any word in the English language.
if you threaten someone through any means, financially, physically, abuse of authority, and the threat is real, and immediate then it's rape, there isn't a gray area.
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No. Janice Dickinson was the 5th or 6th to claim he drugged her drink and then had sex with her.
To answer your other question he allegedly drugged and raped one of his employees, and she stayed quiet about it because he was Bill Cosby. Then he drugged her again at an industry event.
A couple of women have similar stories. About Cosby raping them once on a date or at his house. And then him doing it again numerous times in more public places.
One of the women cited the fact that other people, employees, limo drivers, etc were all complicit in it as a reason why she felt helpless to tell on him.
The OP in this very thread has a video with a dude talking about bringing teenage girls through and guarding the door so no one could intervene.
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cot damn
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The original point I brought up was more about a "casting couch" situation. Where sex can be used as an advantage to further you're future. Like you know that person has influence....so you decide to sleep with them. Not necessarily threatening....but using you're influence and stature.
All valid points brought in here. Unrelated..but if a celeb says some stuff like...you gotta f the crew before you can get to me...is that considered sexual assault as well? There does have to be a sense of agency where someone can make a decision when given a option.
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Damn William was messing with Underaged girls? 
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different question and a different crime, if you are on a casting coach and the director says suck my **** whether the female does it or not it's a crime. it's sexual harrasment "Quid-pro-quo"
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^^ You a law student?
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that's basic sexual harassment training most employers give to employees.^^ You a law student?
not sure how it'd turn out in a trial though, still an incorrect form of conduct.
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^^ You a law student?
ive taken some first year law classes a while back, and they also had offered law classes in my high school.
but no i am not a law student.
but judging from this thread many of you should familiarize yourself with this stuff you want to avoid the summer jam scren.
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Well yeah, I was just curious
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I have taken a first year law class and the things I learned blew my mind 
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I feel like you took what I said wrong. Rape and sexual assault aren't categorized together, right?
It's a gray area to me because people view some of these things differently. The law saying one thing doesn't make it inherently truth, it just means you'd be ****** in court if you tried to argue.
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Some incredibly stupid hypothetical tailored to deliver your point does the exact opposite.So the old man next door has raped 20 women in his life time, of age and under age. Never got charged let alone convicted so he's not registered as a sex offender. You don't care?
You sound like Cam'ron talking about he'd just move if a known terrorist was living next door
And then you try to play it off by saying some dumb ****. Im not surprised.
He wasn't convicted, the cases wont be revisited. I didn't feel like I had to outright say that for it to already be implied.
I think people are trying to spin those of us that don't care into a, 'You don't care that he possibly raped these women! What's wrong with you?'
What im saying is all these women came out in the past, didn't win their cases or agreed to settle out of court, or passed the legal time limit they had to do anything about it and now debating this is 100% pointless as nothing will be done about it because nothing can be done about it.
He has millions of dollars to live off of and probably around 5-12 years of life left in him. Im sure regardless how this situation turns out, Cosby will be okay regardless.
