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it seems we're coming closer to a common ground.
i know democratic communism can't exist, which is why its so funny that the word was thrown around at Obama....
as far as democratic socialism.....you, yourself claim that "practically all of europe is democratic socialist"
and they're murdering us in quality of life, right? ( meaning every tangible measure of "quality" of the country....employment, economy, health, education, etc.)
im honestly asking.
(btw, what you all are saying isnt different from what ive been saying at all. IN THEORY, capitalism is great, just like democracy....but the flaw of man, and the evil that men do corrupt these theories from ever working in reality.....correct? can we agree on that?)
and honestly, for all intents and purposes, this is what moore was saying in the film.....within the first 10 mins, he and this comedian (i forget dudes name) are talking about how, in theory, in its purest form, capitalism is awesome...its great....
but throughout the movie, he shows how the hearts of men have exploited the have nots, through a supposed capitalist society, which isn't capitalist at all....in fact, its stacked against us...
we have our labor taxed......to provide billionaires with welfare...
and people have the audacity to sit on even message boards like NT and denouce people on welfare in this country? people who are barely EATING are lazy and dragging society down...
but billionaires asking for more money to replace the money they swindled out of the banks into their own pockets are bosses, right?
and taxing them proportionately to THEIR income would be unfair and unconstitutional....
a guy making 60k has to pay like 10k in taxes......leaving him with 50k to live off..which is "middle class", fine, dandy....
but a dude making 100 million doesnt have to give up 90 million.....
yes, its not proportionate....but neither is the compensation he recieves....
HE STILL HAS 10 MILLION IN HIS POCKET, THO...thats not middle class...you're not missing meals....nor car service to and from work...nor your private helicopter to the opera.....seriously, what are you missing out on, 10 million a year, 20 million a year, 30 million a year....when does the bottom 95% of america smarten up and say "yo, yall arent that much more important than us....you dont really do anything that much better than anyone else to have all that wealth" i don't mean bill gates, or steve jobs...you know, dudes who are rich because of their contributions to society....im talking about the dudes paying off congressmen with interest free loans so they can loanshark people like the mafia used to do in the 20s....im talking about the CEOs who signed off on the mortgage-backed securities then pocketed all the bonus money off the deals.....then, paid off congress to get 700 billion handed right over to them to replace the money they pocketed....
you will have shelter, food and clothing....you will be able to educate your children and raise them...if you get sick, you can be treated.....
seriously...what cant you do with 10 million that you could do with 12 million (this is a rhetorical question)
SOMETHING needs to change.
yall tell ME what it is, since yall so smart
(i went into a rant, this post is all over the place)
i know democratic communism can't exist, which is why its so funny that the word was thrown around at Obama....
as far as democratic socialism.....you, yourself claim that "practically all of europe is democratic socialist"
and they're murdering us in quality of life, right? ( meaning every tangible measure of "quality" of the country....employment, economy, health, education, etc.)
im honestly asking.
(btw, what you all are saying isnt different from what ive been saying at all. IN THEORY, capitalism is great, just like democracy....but the flaw of man, and the evil that men do corrupt these theories from ever working in reality.....correct? can we agree on that?)
and honestly, for all intents and purposes, this is what moore was saying in the film.....within the first 10 mins, he and this comedian (i forget dudes name) are talking about how, in theory, in its purest form, capitalism is awesome...its great....
but throughout the movie, he shows how the hearts of men have exploited the have nots, through a supposed capitalist society, which isn't capitalist at all....in fact, its stacked against us...
we have our labor taxed......to provide billionaires with welfare...
and people have the audacity to sit on even message boards like NT and denouce people on welfare in this country? people who are barely EATING are lazy and dragging society down...
but billionaires asking for more money to replace the money they swindled out of the banks into their own pockets are bosses, right?
and taxing them proportionately to THEIR income would be unfair and unconstitutional....
a guy making 60k has to pay like 10k in taxes......leaving him with 50k to live off..which is "middle class", fine, dandy....
but a dude making 100 million doesnt have to give up 90 million.....
yes, its not proportionate....but neither is the compensation he recieves....
HE STILL HAS 10 MILLION IN HIS POCKET, THO...thats not middle class...you're not missing meals....nor car service to and from work...nor your private helicopter to the opera.....seriously, what are you missing out on, 10 million a year, 20 million a year, 30 million a year....when does the bottom 95% of america smarten up and say "yo, yall arent that much more important than us....you dont really do anything that much better than anyone else to have all that wealth" i don't mean bill gates, or steve jobs...you know, dudes who are rich because of their contributions to society....im talking about the dudes paying off congressmen with interest free loans so they can loanshark people like the mafia used to do in the 20s....im talking about the CEOs who signed off on the mortgage-backed securities then pocketed all the bonus money off the deals.....then, paid off congress to get 700 billion handed right over to them to replace the money they pocketed....
you will have shelter, food and clothing....you will be able to educate your children and raise them...if you get sick, you can be treated.....
seriously...what cant you do with 10 million that you could do with 12 million (this is a rhetorical question)
SOMETHING needs to change.
yall tell ME what it is, since yall so smart
(i went into a rant, this post is all over the place)