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If you believe this, you need to read that history more closely.the whole of American history can not produce a problem solved by the law?
You cannot legislate away human behaviors. That is the bottom line and uncomfortable truth for many.
That's tough. I just glanced at her fb page.
They will happen but some will be deterred or thwarted with a wider net consisting of legislation.
Which is the entire point.
Just like a sex offender LoJack/GPS might catch them near a playground before they abduct a child, but sex offenders who don't have a LoJack/GPS won't be caught.
The one offender being thwarted makes it worth it.
So let's not go to the extreme and use "disarm the public" as the only option. More restrictions on access to certain weapons and accessories may not completely get rid of these events but wouldn't they reduce them?
Similar to speed limits don't stop people from speeding but does reduce the number of people who would speed
sex offender lowjack only targets sex offenders.... not every adult who owns a car and passes by a playground. and thats the difference. this argument has been made countless times.
2 days later another one commits suicide. copycat. notch #2 under fix the mentality. whoever person #2 is saw the damage from the first one and said "sounds good to me" and did it too. smh. there is a sickness among the american people, and youth are especially susceptible.
"getback is saying what so many people are saying "but we have to do SOMETHING!""The point is that more legislation increases the odds that someone will slip up along the way and be swept up with a wider net. Even if the increase in those odds are small.
Red Flag Laws, stronger background checks...I don't know. I don't have the answers as far as which laws could be enacted.
Action > Inaction
Yo this is 100% the dumbest thing I’ve read on NT.suicide happens SO often im utterly desensitized to feeling grief over random people 100s or 1000s of miles away who take their own lives. it is what it is. i wish it wouldnt happen but im not gonna send thoughts and prayers over it. being pragmatic, there is a sickness leading to things like this and it needs to be sought out and erased so these kinds of tragedies happen less often.
or are u shocked i said what it is and said that victim #2 saw victim #1 and the damage it did, and still decided to copy? cuz thats exactly what happened. again, it is what it is. imo its pretty damn selfish.
"getback is saying what so many people are saying "but we have to do SOMETHING!""
u have a lot of faith in legislation. i dont. youre saying to take the chance because it MIGHT help. i look at it like, youre definitely penalizing an entire population to have a chance at something that MIGHT help slightly. but at the same time theres also a good possibility to create a new problem in its wake which is crime goes up since nobody is armed except criminals and police.
i think making the RIGHT move first, is better than making ANY move just to say u did something. this is chess. we have to solve a very difficult, recent, and not well studied problem that is getting worse and worse. gotta move correct
"getback is saying what so many people are saying "but we have to do SOMETHING!""
u have a lot of faith in legislation. i dont. youre saying to take the chance because it MIGHT help. i look at it like, youre definitely penalizing an entire population to have a chance at something that MIGHT help slightly. but at the same time theres also a good possibility to create a new problem in its wake which is crime goes up since nobody is armed except criminals and police.
i think making the RIGHT move first, is better than making ANY move just to say u did something. this is chess. we have to solve a very difficult, recent, and not well studied problem that is getting worse and worse. gotta move correct
Yo this is 100% the dumbest thing I’ve read on NT.
Reply to me if you want but you won’t get a response
Go make your gun appreciation thread
complex phenomenon is definitely right. and uve definitely advocated for bans countless times. not only that but maybe i misunderstood u when u saidWhere in my post do I advocate disarming people?
I've never said blindly throw sh*t at the wall either. It's obviously a complex phenomenon that needs to be addressed meticulously.
complex phenomenon is definitely right. and uve definitely advocated for bans countless times. not only that but maybe i misunderstood u when u said
"They will happen but some will be deterred or thwarted with a wider net consisting of legislation."
in a direct response to
"What we all can now agree on is these things will happen whether there is a ban instituted or not. Once you come to that conclusion I'm not sure how you are still arguing we need to disarm the public."
that sounds like ur saying a ban will deter or thwart some would-be shooters altho theyll still happen. and when u say "action > inaction" thats a pretty broad absolute catchall so maybe i just took ur words too seriously. my bad.
In a perfect world I'd want zero guns, but I know that's not reasonable for various reason. Humans (or at least Americans) don't deserve them. Or at least that's what we've demonstrated for the past several decades.
By legislation as it pertains to this thread, I'm referring to legislation that would be proactive in disrupting these mass shootings. Put the 4chan dudes who laughed at the NZ shooting video on blast. Same with the youtube commenters, people who make threatening posts on FB and IG. ID them and never allow them to own a gun, ever. And put them on a watch list.
After the Chistchurch shooting, New Zealand moves to ban assault weapons, while the US is promoting plans to arm school teachers instead. Al-Jazeera exposes NRA’s “playbook” on media responses after mass shootings.
It should be automatic death penalty on the federal level for anyone that does a mass shooting no matter the reason. Also if people want to reduce gun violence they need to make crimes involving guns severe. Like you use a gun in any type of crime its an automatic 20 years just to start out. Feds should pickup all gun cases as well. If we can throw non violent coke dealers in prison for life why not violent criminals?Man wtf?! These people want to talk about mental health issues for shooters and not do anything about that either, how about mental health help for victims? at everyone here.
RIP to Sydney.