Mass Shooting Thread: Waiting on the next one.

[biggie62]

I'm from Central Africa.

I have family there, and I have family in Europe. The Europeans in my family are not trying to move here, even with the much higher pay we get. Everything else (k-12 education, healthcare, safety) tends to be worse. I have other relatives who studied, worked here and left because of socioeconomics. I realize that these are anecdotal stories; if you're looking for hard data points, you should look into the increase of American expats who gave up their nationality.

The problems we have are solvable, but we elect too many people who have very little interest in finding solutions. Those who leave/don't come back will tell you that they're tired of the American apathy that drives half the voting population.

But that’s because people tend to vote against their best interests in many states because they are uninformed or only focus on one small issue without caring how the other issues the candidate will vote on which might be a detriment to them. Can’t fix stupid tho.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

I'm from Central Africa.

I have family there, and I have family in Europe. The Europeans in my family are not trying to move here, even with the much higher pay we get. Everything else (k-12 education, healthcare, safety) tends to be worse. I have other relatives who studied, worked here and left because of socioeconomics. I realize that these are anecdotal stories; if you're looking for hard data points, you should look into the increase of American expats who gave up their nationality.

The problems we have are solvable, but we elect too many people who have very little interest in finding solutions. Those who leave/don't come back will tell you that they're tired of the American apathy that drives half the voting population.

I grew up in poverty and have been more fortunate that many who came up under my conditions were able to, so my views are probably biased no experience living in other countries so I have nothing to compare it to on my own. Still don't see the US as a failed society tho.

 

[RustyShackleford]

My family immigrated to the States in the late 90s. Everyone has been more or less successful professionally.

But my sister moved back, and the older members always talk about if they had to do it over they would have moved to Canada or France instead

America has the potential to be a much better functioning country. Like the gap between where it could be and where it is, is massive. This is my fundamental frustration with America.

I think the fact that it is still attractive to risk-taking lower-income people in the developing world is not the solid defense people think it is.

Middle-class people from advanced economies are in no rush to move to this lack of universal healthcare having, gun-infested country.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

Hasn't US always been the destination of risk taking lower income people? Give us your poor and tired etc...

 

[RustyShackleford]

Hasn't US always been the destination of risk taking lower income people? Give us your poor and tired etc...

I said it is "still" attractive to these people. This implies that what we see now is a continuation of past trends. I am not disputing that.

What I am saying is that bringing up this point is not a strong defense for America's many easily fixable shortcomings.

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

I said it is "still" attractive to these people. This implies that what we see now is a continuation of past trends. I am not disputing that.

What I am saying is that bringing up this point is not a strong defense for America's many easily fixable shortcomings.

I'm saying it because it doesn't seem that the middle class from elsewhere has ever seen the US as an immigration destination. The failed society stuff is dramatization.

 

[WASHED KING]

What successful society doesn't protect it's children?

 

[RustyShackleford]

I'm saying it because it doesn't seem that the middle class from elsewhere has ever seen the US as an immigration destination. The failed society stuff is dramatization.

My family was middle class

There are tons of middle-class and affluent people that send their kids off to school in advanced economies, especially in America.

Immigration into America has not exclusively been from poor people. The fact America is less attractive to middle-class people from other countries, including other advanced economies is a long-term problem for America.

And exposes America's shortcomings in many areas.

What your argument implies is that America should mainly be compared to the developing world, not other advanced economies, because that is the only way America seems really appealing

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

My family was middle class

There are tons of middle-class and affluent people that send their kids off to school in advanced economies, especially in America.

Immigration into America has not exclusively been from poor people. The fact America is less attractive to middle-class people from other countries, including other advanced economies is a long-term problem for America.

And exposes America's shortcomings in many areas.

What your argument implies is that America should mainly be compared to the developing world, not other advanced economies, because that is the only way America seems really appealing

Only thing I'm arguing is that saying the US is a failed society is being dramatic.

 

[RustyShackleford]

I don't think America is a failed state, but it is highly dysfunctional and there is no good excuse for the dysfunction

 

[RustyShackleford]

Only thing I'm arguing is that saying the US is a failed society is being dramatic.

In the thread about people getting needlessly slaughtered on the daily, this is what you are hung up on?

 

[Raji Lowenthal]

In the thread about people getting needlessly slaughtered on the daily, this is what you are hung up on?

As stated a page or so back, what I considered a failed society is different and understood the lenses someone else might be looking thru. The discussion has continued since my position has remained the same.

 

[IATT]

 

[Nike Jordan]

 

[gry60]

As stated a page or so back, what I considered a failed society is different and understood the lenses someone else might be looking thru.

Is "failed" too strong of a word? Maybe. However, I don't think there's a strong argument against the notion that the US is failing. We're falling backwards economically, socially, and ethically, and it doesn't have to be this way.

One thing many US states have in common with a lot of poorly run, unstable countries, is the refusal to address problems with solutions that actually have a proven track record of effectiveness, and a lot of that boils down to being a person of "principles." I left my country of origin when I was old enough to pay attention to local politics and policy makers, and after many years overseas, the issues I left behind have gotten worse because those in charge don't give a **** and folks no longer care. I see the same dynamic in the US when it comes to quality of life issues, and the fact that many US politicians have decided to make stagnation their political platform is not reassuring.

And the thing that scares me the most about this general apathy is, there is always a point of no return (or to be more realistic, a point of "no peaceful return"), and we're gonna reach it if we don't get our **** together.

 

[IATT]

 

[sneeker]

Is "failed" too strong of a word? Maybe. However, I don't think there's a strong argument against the notion that the US is failing. We're falling backwards economically, socially, and ethically, and it doesn't have to be this way.

One thing many US states have in common with a lot of poorly run, unstable countries, is the refusal to address problems with solutions that actually have a proven track record of effectiveness, and a lot of that boils down to being a person of "principles." I left my country of origin when I was old enough to pay attention to local politics and policy makers, and after many years overseas, the issues I left behind have gotten worse because those in charge don't give a **** and folks no longer care. I see the same dynamic in the US when it comes to quality of life issues, and the fact that many US politicians have decided to make stagnation their political platform is not reassuring.

And the thing that scares me the most about this general apathy is, there is always a point of no return (or to be more realistic, a point of "no peaceful return"), and we're gonna reach it if we don't get our **** together.

The failure comes from tolerance on high profile crimes and lack of enforcement. It's more like people can easily hide behind the amendment rights and due process for their obvious crimes while in the past, they could just easily suspend those rights and send the criminals to the gallows.

 

[daruma]

6-year-old survives after mother, father, 3-year-old brother slain in Allen mall shooting

Cindy and Kyu Cho, alongside their 3-year-old son James were killed. The couple's 6-year-old son, William was also injured, but survived.

www.cbsnews.com

bruh... his whole ******* family... so ******* sad...

 

[TURBO UNO]

bruh... his whole ****ing family... so ****ing sad...

That’s the family I saw on the video. I thought it was a little girl but it’s likely the 3 year old boy who’s body was under the fathers legs. Man, this breaks my heart

I genuinely hate that man for doing what he did.

 

[sneeker]

I'm giving the "double up yours" to Ted Cruz. as a christian, I hate it when politicians use religion as a scapegoat for their incompetence.

 

[Air Champa]

If we're lucky Cruz will be gone soon if people will get off their lazy asses and vote.

I hope Colin Allred ain't the next Beto and can actually win something.

 

[debso]

didn’t think I’d ever live to see a Mexican white supremacist

There are plenty in the southwest.
White supremacists come in all races and ethnicities.

 

[biggie62]

There are plenty in the southwest.
White supremacists come in all races and ethnicities.

Plenty of Hispanics that think of themselves as white. It’s quite funny.

 

[gry60]

So that's where the good guys are. Hiding from the fire with the non-carriers. So much for that narrative...

 

[mplsdunk]

What do you have the gun for if you’re not gonna use it there of all places?