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Someone take this man to see the Ghost Rider and Fantastic 4 movies.
That Catwoman though :x It shouldn't even count.
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That Catwoman though :x It shouldn't even count.
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i just saw it. I thought the movie was dope. It didn't drag on and the action was satisfying. Not sure why people are disappointed.
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I don't want to see the typical plot where Superman gets weak because of Kryptonite or some technology. I wanna see him fight with against equals like Doomsday. So no Lex, unless he becomes Brainiac.
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The problem with two seemingly "invincible" characters fighting each other is that it's very easy to make the fight boring to the audience. I mean, if no one gets hurt, how can there be any suspense?
I thought they did the fights well precisely in MoS precisely for that reason. Despite Superman being invulnerable, he still got "beat" because of his initial inexperience.
I thought they did the fights well precisely in MoS precisely for that reason. Despite Superman being invulnerable, he still got "beat" because of his initial inexperience.
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Heard so many names thrown into the mix, some of the current rumors going around are for Michael C Hall, Matthew Mcconaughey and Josh Brolin.
Left-field rumors and ones that interest me,
Jason Clarke
Guy Pearce
Matthew Goode
Fassbender and Mark Strong are obviously good actors and proven villains, but personally I feel they might be a tad too "obvious" for the role right now. I know it might be a bit too much to ask for another Heath Ledger style performance, but I feel like it would need that kind of unexpected actor to surprise us and bring something memorable to the table.
Whoever it is, they need to play it as far removed from Hackman/Spacey as possible -no jokes and no idiotic sidekicks/henchmen.
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I think Fassbender is a great actor but I just do not see him as Lex. He seems too good looking and too likable I guess, he is great as Magneto because he is the anti-hero you can/want to route for. Mark Strong would be perfect if he wasn't already Sinestro.
Brolin sounds like he would make a good Lex. Bardem is a great villain too and will just add to his impressive list (Anton, Silva). Ralph Fiennes/Voldemort will make a great Luthor too.
I actually like Spcaey as Luthor especially considering what t script he had to work with. He is a great actor and he can be scary if needed. Probably one of my favorite scenes in SR:
Brolin sounds like he would make a good Lex. Bardem is a great villain too and will just add to his impressive list (Anton, Silva). Ralph Fiennes/Voldemort will make a great Luthor too.
I actually like Spcaey as Luthor especially considering what t script he had to work with. He is a great actor and he can be scary if needed. Probably one of my favorite scenes in SR:
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I hated Spacey with a vengeance, admittedly not his fault of course, awful script and instructed to be a carbon copy of the 1978 version, but that Hackman blueprint of Luthor needs to be completely erased from the memory.
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If there was better writing and Spacey portrayed Luthor the way he plays Frank Underwood in House of Cards he would've won an Oscar and it would've been the best Luthor portrayal ever. On par with Ledger's Joker.
Oh well.
Oh well.
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There were already reports that actor Mackenzie Gray might've already been cast as Luthor. He portrayed an aged Luthor in the final season of Smallville.
There was a video (posted below) where he was interviewed stating he was cast to appear in the movie but was not allowed to say anything more then that.
Edit - nevermind, he played Jax-Ur, the scientist in Zod's crew. He was the one that tested Kal-El's blood on Zod's ship.
There was a video (posted below) where he was interviewed stating he was cast to appear in the movie but was not allowed to say anything more then that.
Edit - nevermind, he played Jax-Ur, the scientist in Zod's crew. He was the one that tested Kal-El's blood on Zod's ship.
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LIke most of y'all, I can't wait to see a JL film on the big screen.
However, I also just can't see how Nolan's version of Batman can share a world with Snyder's Superman/MOS.
Right now, for the two to coexist, Batman has to be rebooted into a more fantastical version of what we've seen in the trilogy. At least, that's how I am imagining it.
Also patiently waiting for a Flash movie...
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Yea I heard Flash is suppose to come out anytime soon
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anybody remember that live action The Flash tv show?LIke most of y'all, I can't wait to see a JL film on the big screen.
However, I also just can't see how Nolan's version of Batman can share a world with Snyder's Superman/MOS.
Right now, for the two to coexist, Batman has to be rebooted into a more fantastical version of what we've seen in the trilogy. At least, that's how I am imagining it.
Also patiently waiting for a Flash movie...
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Yea I heard Flash is suppose to come out anytime soon
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anybody remember that live action The Flash tv show?
I do. Used to watch it when I was a kid. It was pretty good for it's time. I do believe it was the Barry Allen version, if I remember it correctly.
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Interesting read. Spoiler mode for those who haven't seen the movie yet...
Christopher Nolan Originally Disagreed with MAN OF STEEL Ending; SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT Author Mark Waid Reacts Negatively to Film’s Finish
by Matt Goldberg
http://collider.com/man-of-steel-ending-christopher-nolan-mark-waid/
Christopher Nolan Originally Disagreed with MAN OF STEEL Ending; SUPERMAN: BIRTHRIGHT Author Mark Waid Reacts Negatively to Film’s Finish
by Matt Goldberg
There’s been a lot of talk about Man of Steel‘s conclusion. A large portion of the discussion has been around how Zod and Superman’s fight levels Metropolis, and while that makes for a great action scene, it also raises questions about Supes’ responsibility in the implicit deaths of Metropolis citizens caught in the chaos. That climactic battle didn’t cause any disagreement among writer David S. Goyer, director Zack Snyder, and producer Christopher Nolan. What did cause some dissent was the scene that followed.
Hit the jump for how the filmmakers talked through Superman’s difficult decision, and to read the negative reaction from Superman: Birthright author Mark Waid. [Spoilers ahead, obviously]
Speaking to Empire Magazine podcast (via The Playlist), Snyder and Goyer revealed that the original version of the script had General Zod being sent back into the Phantom Zone. “But David, Chris and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him,” said Snyder. “The ‘Why?’ of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he’s going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do.”
Personally, I find that to be pretty weak reasoning. Everything we see with Ma and Pa Kent is supposed to remind us that Clark was raised in a loving household with decent values. Does every origin story need a scene where someone says to the burgeoning hero, “And remember: don’t kill anyone.” At least in Batman Begins (which Goyer co-wrote), Batman is presented with the instruction to kill someone and flatly refuses (he later kills anyway, but eases his conscience on a technicality). Also, if an aversion to killing remains “unexplained”, does this mean we should expect Superman to kill more people in the future?
Nolan was initially reluctant to have Superman snap the villain’s neck, but Goyer went and got the “OK” from DC Comics. The screenwriter then said, “I came up with this idea of heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene, gave it to Chris, and he said, ‘Okay you’ve convinced me.’” On a thematic level, I can see the logic since Superman is severing his last tie with Krypton, but it’s still taking the character to a place where he loses one of his defining attributes.
Superman: Birthright author Mark Waid agrees, and related his dissatisfaction to Thrillbent (via Cinema Blend) as an out-of-body experience:
Superman wins by killing Zod. By snapping his neck. And as this moment was building, as Zod was out of control and Superman was (for the first time since the fishing boat 90 minutes ago) struggling to actually save innocent victims instead of casually catching them in mid-plummet, some crazy guy in front of us was muttering “Don’t do it…don’t do it…DON’T DO IT…” and then Superman snapped Zod’s neck and that guy stood up and said in a very loud voice, “THAT’S IT, YOU LOST ME, I’M OUT,” and his girlfriend had to literally pull him back into his seat and keep him from walking out and that crazy guy was me. That crazy guy was me, and I barely even remember doing that, I had to be told afterward that I’d done that, that’s how caught up in betrayal I felt. And after the neck-snapping, even though I stuck it out, I didn’t give a damn about the rest of the movie.
As the credits rolled, I told myself I was upset because Superman doesn’t kill. Full-stop, Superman doesn’t kill. But sitting there, I broke it down some more in my head because I sensed there was more to it since Superman clearly regretted killing Zod. I had to grant that the filmmakers at least went way out of their way to put Superman in a position suggesting (but hardly conclusively proving) he had no choice (and I did love Superman’s immediate-aftermath reaction to what he’d done). I granted that they’d at least tried to present Superman with an impossible choice and, on a purely rational level, and if this had been a movie about a guy named Ultraguy, I might even have bought what he did. But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything.
Hit the jump for how the filmmakers talked through Superman’s difficult decision, and to read the negative reaction from Superman: Birthright author Mark Waid. [Spoilers ahead, obviously]
Speaking to Empire Magazine podcast (via The Playlist), Snyder and Goyer revealed that the original version of the script had General Zod being sent back into the Phantom Zone. “But David, Chris and I had long talks about it, and I said that I really feel like we should kill Zod, and that Superman should kill him,” said Snyder. “The ‘Why?’ of it for me was that if was truly an origin story, his aversion to killing is unexplained… I wanted to create a scenario where Superman, either he’s going to see [Metropolis' citizens] chopped in half, or he’s gotta do what he’s gotta do.”
Personally, I find that to be pretty weak reasoning. Everything we see with Ma and Pa Kent is supposed to remind us that Clark was raised in a loving household with decent values. Does every origin story need a scene where someone says to the burgeoning hero, “And remember: don’t kill anyone.” At least in Batman Begins (which Goyer co-wrote), Batman is presented with the instruction to kill someone and flatly refuses (he later kills anyway, but eases his conscience on a technicality). Also, if an aversion to killing remains “unexplained”, does this mean we should expect Superman to kill more people in the future?
Nolan was initially reluctant to have Superman snap the villain’s neck, but Goyer went and got the “OK” from DC Comics. The screenwriter then said, “I came up with this idea of heat vision and these people about to die, and I wrote the scene, gave it to Chris, and he said, ‘Okay you’ve convinced me.’” On a thematic level, I can see the logic since Superman is severing his last tie with Krypton, but it’s still taking the character to a place where he loses one of his defining attributes.
Superman: Birthright author Mark Waid agrees, and related his dissatisfaction to Thrillbent (via Cinema Blend) as an out-of-body experience:
Superman wins by killing Zod. By snapping his neck. And as this moment was building, as Zod was out of control and Superman was (for the first time since the fishing boat 90 minutes ago) struggling to actually save innocent victims instead of casually catching them in mid-plummet, some crazy guy in front of us was muttering “Don’t do it…don’t do it…DON’T DO IT…” and then Superman snapped Zod’s neck and that guy stood up and said in a very loud voice, “THAT’S IT, YOU LOST ME, I’M OUT,” and his girlfriend had to literally pull him back into his seat and keep him from walking out and that crazy guy was me. That crazy guy was me, and I barely even remember doing that, I had to be told afterward that I’d done that, that’s how caught up in betrayal I felt. And after the neck-snapping, even though I stuck it out, I didn’t give a damn about the rest of the movie.
As the credits rolled, I told myself I was upset because Superman doesn’t kill. Full-stop, Superman doesn’t kill. But sitting there, I broke it down some more in my head because I sensed there was more to it since Superman clearly regretted killing Zod. I had to grant that the filmmakers at least went way out of their way to put Superman in a position suggesting (but hardly conclusively proving) he had no choice (and I did love Superman’s immediate-aftermath reaction to what he’d done). I granted that they’d at least tried to present Superman with an impossible choice and, on a purely rational level, and if this had been a movie about a guy named Ultraguy, I might even have bought what he did. But after I processed all that, I realized that it wasn’t so much my uncompromising vision of Superman that made this a total-fail moment for me; it was the failed lead-up TO the moment. As Superman’s having his final one-on-one battle with Zod, show me that he’s going out of his way to save people from getting caught in the middle. SHOW ME that trying to simultaneously protect humans and beat Zod is achingly, achingly costing Superman the fight. Build to that moment of the hard choice…show me, without doubt, that Superman has no other out and do a better job of convincing me that it’s a hard decision to make, and maybe I’ll give it to you. But even if I do? It’s not a victory. Not this sad, soul-darkening, utterly sans-catharsis “triumph” that doesn’t even feel like a win so much as a stop-loss. Two and a half hours, and I never once got the sense that Superman really achieved or earned anything.
http://collider.com/man-of-steel-ending-christopher-nolan-mark-waid/
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The action scenes were crazzzy.
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I read another article elsewhere and I'm pretty sure the reason I liked this movie is because it's nothing like a Superman movie.
In the end, I liked the hopelessness of all the Metropolis citizens dying with the world engine things and final battle, that Smallville town getting destroyed, and the killing of Zod.
In the end, I liked the hopelessness of all the Metropolis citizens dying with the world engine things and final battle, that Smallville town getting destroyed, and the killing of Zod.
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Most of Metropolis looked like a wasteland after they were done 
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Anyone a Mass Effect fan? The spaceships, spaceship interiors, and Krypton are what I imagine the visuals in the Mass Effect movie should look like. The armor on the Kryptonian soldiers were also pretty cool.
.Anyone a Mass Effect fan? The spaceships, spaceship interiors, and Krypton are what I imagine the visuals in the Mass Effect movie should look like. The armor on the Kryptonian soldiers were also pretty cool.
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just saw it it was ok i think a little to long possibly
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On paper though, wouldn't Thor body Superman?
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