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I love how people try to discredit a player but posting box score stats as if that tells the whole story, no sense.
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Originally Posted by 51and3rd
Originally Posted by Crime Wave
Originally Posted by prison mike
Are you saying that your opinion on basketball is > the logo's? Now that's laughable.
Are you really that stupid? Your siding with Jerry West's (just because he played the game) opinion, over factual evidence? You mean to tell me that Kobe was a better overall player and his body of work warps these guys?
Abdul Jabbar: 6x NBA Champion, 6x MVP, 2x FMVP, 19x NBA All-Star, 10x All-NBA First Team, 5x All-NBA, ROTY, 2x Scoring Champ etc.
Magic: 5x NBA Champion, 3x MVP, 3x FMVP, 12x NBA All-Star, 9x All-NBA First-Team, 2x All-Star MVP etc.
And you never really answered my question:
Kobe Bryant's body of work isn't touching Magic/Kareem in the all-time list , so why would anyone propel him as the greatest Laker of all-time?
Originally Posted by kix4kix
Originally Posted by Osh Kosh Bosh
Best laker ever is such an obscure argument, how do you quantify it, do you go by peak performance or longevity. If you got by peak performance then it's.
Kareem
Shaq
Magic
Kobe
Logo
But if you go by body of work it's probably:
Magic
Kobe
Logo
Kareem
Shaq.
either way Kobe is still in the top 5.
but there is no logical argument that can be made for kobe being in the top 5 greatest players ever.
Ok lol! Kobe smang your girl plehboi?
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
Kobe Shaq. The most dominant 1-2 punch combo ever in NBA history
Originally Posted by ill steelo
Those are Kobe's numbers against Philly which was his second title, not his first.
He averaged a shade under 16 against Indy in '00. Getting hurt in G2 & his miserable G5 hurt his average.
A little surprised that the Worldwide Leader screwed that up.
What a great playoff run by the ThunderOriginally Posted by kicks4days
The salt is strong in this one�Originally Posted by Do Be Doo
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
LOL so i guess Magic was lying when he said Kobe is top 5 Lakers. So i guess Jerry West lied when he said Kobe is better than him as a Lakers lol
Originally Posted by DTruth07
A lot of wannabe Skip Bayless' up in here...
Originally Posted by Do Be Doo
Originally Posted by Essential1
They are 4 great players, 2 still playing.. When it is all said and done.. Those 4 will make up 80% of the Top 5 greatest NBA Players to ever live.
Kobe will never be top 5.
Jellybean isnt even a top 5 laker.
have a seat.
Originally Posted by SHUGES
Originally Posted by ill steelo
Those are Kobe's numbers against Philly which was his second title, not his first.
He averaged a shade under 16 against Indy in '00. Getting hurt in G2 & his miserable G5 hurt his average.
A little surprised that the Worldwide Leader screwed that up.
Originally Posted by FIRST B0RN
Originally Posted by ACBboyz84
Kobe Shaq. The most dominant 1-2 punch combo ever in NBA history
Originally Posted by Do Be Doo
Magic
Kareem
West
Wilt
Shaq
Originally Posted by ricky409
Originally Posted by Do Be Doo
Magic
Kareem
West
Wilt
Shaq
true story...
i had this argument over in general...
back then, shaq was ridiculous... put early 2000s Tmac, VC, or Paul Pierce in Kobe's spot and you get 3 chips... maybe more cuz those guys arent the personalities of Kobe...
And the Lakers wouldn't have got to the Finals for 2 and 3 if not for Kobes play?Originally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
Some of you guys really believe thisOriginally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
Originally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
Originally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
Originally Posted by laker4lifeman
Some of you guys really believe thisOriginally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
i agreed that is was "dwarfed" by Shaq but i don't think saying Kobe impact was minor is completely accurateOriginally Posted by Crime Wave
Originally Posted by laker4lifeman
Some of you guys really believe thisOriginally Posted by quik1987
Bottom line: Shaq GAVE Kobe his first ring.
I don't see how this isn't a plausible statement. Kobe's impact on his first ring was dwarfed by the sheer dominance of Shaq. I believe LA had a winning record in 2000 during the games that Kobe was out of the starting lineup and didn't play (regular and post season). I'm not completely discrediting Bryantbut like i mentioned his impact was minor imo