LOST Season 6 Preseason Thread vol. we almost there!

[arsnalj23]

Originally Posted by ericberry14


why would walt become the leader? what kinda sense does that make, he has had the most minimal impact on the current events in the show. You guys are just throwing out any theory rite now.

but Locke may be dead outside the island, but i have a sneaky feeling that when he gets back to the island he will come back to life.

You have to admit though, all the mysticism around Walt's character makes this theory possible. He's one of the few characters (along withClaire) that have made appearances in places they weren't supposed to be and as far as we know neither of them are dead (Walt at least we know for sure).

And I agree with the Locke statement too. I'm thinking he'll come back to the island and appear the same way Christian and Claire do, in that spiritkind of way.

 

[cadillacflow]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW

Yet suddenly, Locke self-touting himself as Jacob's chosen one has a nagging echo of falsehood to it. When he said those words to Richard, something really bugged me about it... almost as if such a conclusion were too obvious for LOST. Remember how disappointed Richard was when young Locke couldn't pick all the correct items that belonged to him (more evidence of past memory retainment). Locke should've known the compass was his because Richard had given it to him, time and time again, in past loops. Locke failed Alpert's test, and I'm thinking from that moment on Richard knew Locke wasn't destined to be their future leader. Richard still needs Locke though, because Locke must leave the island to bring back the O6. Unfortunately for John Locke, perhaps his only destiny is to be a sacrificial character.

I bet this is EXACTLY what happens. ...

Since Locke went back in time and put the "bug" in Richards ear. Richard thought Locke was the one even though he kept failing all the tests. And it would also go with the never ending failures that happen in Locke's life. My guess is Walt becomes the leader.

Man, how could anyone not like this show.

why would walt become the leader? what kinda sense does that make, he has had the most minimal impact on the current events in the show. You guys are just throwing out any theory rite now.

but Locke may be dead outside the island, but i have a sneaky feeling that when he gets back to the island he will come back to life.


Why would the others take Walt? Why would they say he's special? And knowing Lost they are going to throw a curve ball in there somehow. Andyour right, Walt does have a minimal impact right now. But, why would they take the time to show his story if all he ever did on the show was "be Michaelsson"? Everything they show in Lost is important, so my guess is Walt is somehow important to the show.

 

[callhimar]

I'm going to say that Charlotte's constant has indeed left the island, and if Charlotte does turn out to have been born on the island, then I'mgoing to guess that shes Ben's little ginger girlfriend from one of the past episodes, and that he was her constant.

 

[quiktoflip]

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by JBug88

Originally Posted by ericberry14

Originally Posted by JBug88

was the catatonic chick that Desmond saw at that house the same military chick from the island? both have a Farraday connection.

-J-

No. that military girl on the island is from 1954, the lady that Desmond saw at the house is in present time or 2011 i believe.

i understand the time line thing. but this is LOST.

time means nothing and everything.
I only ask because Farraday mentions she looks familiar

-J-

you got it all wrong. She said Faraday couldnt resist coming back, meaning that he'd been there before 1954. & evidently the only character that is immune to aging is Richard Alpert

I think we are reading too much into her saying you couldnt resist coming back. They might have thought that they were US soldiers coming back to finish whatthey started. It wasnt until she led Faraday to Jughead did she admit not knowing who they were. becasue the US would not have that multinational coalition inthe 50s lol.

I said several pages back that John isnt dead. Bethem is dead. When he comes back to the island John Locke will be alive just like Christian Shepard.

There is no reason to say that Walt is not going to be the leader. As Richard said they choose them YOUNG. It doesnt mean that he may ever come back.But at some unknown future date since we are time traveling we could see him in his role being groomed for that position.
The Others had him for several days, he proved his "Specialness". Just may not be the time for him. Also they are trying to show that the Others area group with long standing traditions and the idea that their way of life will continue. Because at the time they captured Walt there was no indication thatthey were any danger of being wiped out.

 

[gmills23]

the comment about not resisting to come back is because that chick thought they were US soldiers. which explains why the other guy asked wodmore in latin why"they" weren't in uniform
I feel like there will be a walt vs locke battle for control? of the island, both have the biggest connections to the islands from the people who were on theflight

 

[mastamind89]

Damn, I just went through all the post since when I last posted and now my head is spinning

But I agree with Quiktoflip, Ellie said that to Faraday because she thought he was apart of the soldiers.

 

[gottagitdemjs]

On the topic of Walt...

It seems to me that they got Walt to the island to do some preliminary testing with him (like Alpert with Locke) to see if he indeed is the one who willperhaps be their leader in the future. After conducting this research, they let him go knowing that when he's ready, they will get him back (likethey're getting the O6 back).

 

[barack 0drama]

and remember when Ben said Widmore changed the rules.."killing his daughter"....is it possible that others are not suppose to kill others? so when they asked young widmore how he escaped, he didnt say he killed the one dude and ran off?
Yes. I thought I was the only one who peeped.
Remember when Juliet killed a fellow Other? She got outcasted and branded with that weird symbol...

Locke also didn't shoot Widmore for this reason. "He's one of my people".

I gotta read Vozzek's writeup now...

 

[gottagitdemjs]

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

and remember when Ben said Widmore changed the rules.."killing his daughter"....is it possible that others are not suppose to kill others? so when they asked young widmore how he escaped, he didnt say he killed the one dude and ran off?

Yes. I thought I was the only one who peeped.
Remember when Juliet killed a fellow Other? She got outcasted and branded with that weird symbol...

Locke also didn't shoot Widmore for this reason. "He's one of my people".

I gotta read Vozzek's writeup now...

Interesting. I think it's a little less complicated than that though. I think Widmore somehow stumbles onto the wheel (the one that Ben turned) and hiscuriosity gets the best of him, so he turns it and poof....he's gone, and now he's spent all these years doing anything he can to get back.

 

[mastamind89]

Originally Posted by nikestreetdotcom

Anyone still have that "huge spoiler" that was posted about a year ago that explained the answer to the entire show?

Yeah, I want to read that right now.

EDIT: Also, did anyone else hate that girl with the gun in tonight's episode? For some strange reason, I couldn't stand the way she talked.





Alex

Do you mean

Spoiler

Spoiler

Spoiler [+]

Spoiler

http://timelooptheory.com//the_timeline.htm

 

[crazy ebw]

I could DEFINITELY see Ben tricking Widmore into turning the donkey wheel to get 1. Get him off the island and 2. Move the island so that Widmore couldn'tfind it. That would make sense for sure.

 

[mastamind89]

What I bolded is my main reason for posting this, it is also as far as I read but I figured why not post the whole thing...

Last night's episode of Lost, "Jughead," had its fair share of "Holy cow, what did he just say!?" moments. Like when we learned that uber-rich (and uber-mysterious) businessman Charles Widmore was funding physicist Daniel Faraday's time travel research. Or that Widmore himself was once a Latin-speaking Other on the very island he's spent the last 20 years trying to find. And then there's that little fact that, oh my, there's a nuclear bomb on the island!

It's that newest introduction of the island's itinerary of strange objects that we're looking at today (we can only hope an explanation for that four-toed statue is still to come). While being held captive with Charlotte and Miles, Faraday decides the key to their survival is to let the Others continue to assume that their motley, multi-ethnic crew is a part of the American military-but they're not just standard troops, they're scientists, sent there to recover their hydrogen bomb. We asked nuclear bomb expert Ivan Oelrich, vice president for the strategic security program at the Federation of American Scientists, to give us a primer on the workings of hydrogen bombs and to weigh in on whether last night's plot was as realistic as Widmore sinking a plane in waters too deep for recovery or if it's as unlikely as Hurley throwing out a jug of Dharma ranch dressing.

Before we begin, here's a little nuclear weapon history: The bombs the US dropped on Japan during WWII, "Little Boy" and "Fat Man," were not hydrogen bombs; those were atom bombs, a different kind of nuclear weapon. An atom bomb relies on nuclear fission to create its explosion, while a hydrogen bomb relies on fusion (though much of the explosive energy is also created through fission), and is many times more powerful. No H-bomb has ever been detonated against an enemy, but the US has tested them. A series of thermonuclear weapon tests that took place on the Marshall Islands in the South Pacific in the 1950s was called "Operation Castle." The first attempt at a dry-fuel thermonuclear hydrogen bomb device, an operation called "Castle Bravo," was successfully detonated on March 1, 1954 at Bikini Atoll in the Marshall Islands. Because of Castle Bravo's early success, a second type of nuclear weapon, a cryogenic hydrogen bomb, was not tested. That group included a cryogenic h-bomb nicknamed, that's right, "Jughead."

Radiation Burns from Proximity to a Hydrogen Bomb
Faraday is able to deduce that there's a bomb on the island by glancing at the bandaged hands of one of the Others, which he tells Alpert are radiation burns, indicating that the housing has been compromised. However, getting radiation burns from simply being near a hydrogen bomb-compromised or not-isn't possible. "People think that the fuel that drives an atomic bomb must be intensely radioactive, but in fact it's not," Oelrich says. "It becomes radioactive after the reaction." Basically, if the bomb was emitting the kind and quantity of radiation that would burn someone, more than this gentleman would be affected. "Part of the problem of detecting nuclear weapons is that they don't emit much radiation," Oerlrich says, "It would be kind of nice if they emitted a lot of radiation because then you could just hold a Geiger counter over it and say 'Ah ha! Someone is trying to get a nuclear bomb into the country!' But it's not like that." Of course, there's always the chance that those burns were incurred through exposure to a different source of radioactive material.

Leaky Housing
When Faraday is first brought to the bomb, he climbs the tower housing it with the caution one would expect when near a nuclear weapon, but he's not particularly worried. It's not until he spots the foamy material leaking through a seam in the casing that he starts to freak. "It's unsafe, we need to move," he says to Ellie, the Other assigned to watch him, and tells her to back up. If you're unversed in the workings of hydrogen bombs, you'd assume that any leakage is bad news. And that's correct, to a certain extent. "It is not as if there are quantities of liquids in a nuclear weapon that would corrode out," explains Oelrich. "If I saw that coming out, I would assume that some battery had corroded, acid had escaped, and corroded some other material, like a plastic, and leaked out." While he personally thinks it's not likely, Oelrich admits that it is possible. But if this "Jughead" is indeed supposed to be the cyrogenic "Jughead" that was part of Operation Castle, it would be most likely that this seepage was some of the foam insulation that somehow dissolved, Oelrich says.

From here, there are two ways this bomb could be dangerous: First, it might be leaking plutonium, which can be dangerous if you inhale or ingest it. Oelrich speculates that if it is indeed a battery that is leaking, plutonium leakage is more likely. "If acid from a battery leaked, then it might dissolve the plutonium into a form that could leak out," he speculates. Secondly, as Oelrich puts it, "it's a bomb-it's also dangerous if it blows up!" In the most basic terms, here's how a nuclear bomb works: Surrounding a ball of plutonium is another ball of very carefully arranged explosives. When those first explosives go off in a perfectly timed synch-designing this first explosion is the most difficult part of building a bomb-it squeezes the plutonium down, making it super dense and thus setting off the nuclear explosion. If just part of the conventional detonator was to be set off-say by a stray bullet fired by trigger-happy Other Ellie-the high explosive might be set off, but a nuclear explosion would probably not happen. "Worst case is that you would scatter plutonium around, which would still be dangerous, but it would be a lot better that the alternative," explains Oelrich.

Rendering a Hydrogen Bomb Inert
Faraday gets the Others to lead him to the bomb by saying that he can "render it inert." The first step would be to disable the detonator. "It depends on the particular design of the bomb," explains Oelrich, "but in the 1950s you would be able to see the detonator wires. The first thing to do would be to cut them so it wouldn't set the bomb off symmetrically." Then, says Oelrich, to quell any worry of the device accidentally exploding somehow, you'd ruin the explosives. "If it were me, I would soak the high explosive in water or dissolve it with alcohol. I'm just worried that explosives can accidentally go off. There's not a big chance of it, but if it's attached to a hydrogen bomb, well, that would ruin your whole day." Once the explosives are taken care of, you have to take care of all that radioactive material? That's where the lead and concrete come in. As Faraday suggested, burying the disabled bomb underground in a lead or cement housing would contain any radiation the bomb might be emitting now or in the future. Eventually, however, the plutonium could leak into the ground water, and since it will be dangerous for hundreds of thousands of years and concrete might last hundreds, burying the bomb would not be a permanent solution.

Of course, the Lost-aways left for another place in time before we found out if they actually buried Jughead-but not before John Locke urged Richard Alpert to visit him when he is born, two years in the future, to prove that Locke actually is the leader of the Others (cue gasps, goosebumps and "Cabin Fever" flashbacks here)-so the bomb could still be out there, somewhere. Uncontained, there are a couple of things radiation can do: Cause radiation sickness, cure cancer, maybe even have ill effects on pregnant women. We'll let you connect the dots from here. -Erin Scottberg

 

[cadillacflow]

There is soo many ways the show could go. I really think it's hurting my brain thinking about it.

 

[crazy ebw]

Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW

There is soo many ways the show could go. I really think it's hurting my brain thinking about it.

You and me both brother.

 

[mastamind89]

!$@ really blows your mind

 

[gottagitdemjs]

Originally Posted by Mastamind89

!$@ really blows your mind

AND WE'RE ONLY IN WEEK 2!!!!!

 

[jamesonnt]

episode

Here go my ramblings from reading these posts and only 1 watch .. I'm gonna have to watch again.

Walt - I kinda like the idea of him becoming a leader

. The Others initially taking him and like someone said doing the little tests like Alpert did toLocke. They know he's not ready but will want to come back eventually .. we know he wants to find his father(who may be alive/dead after the freighterexploded?) so maybe he somehow comes with the Oceanic 6. Remember EARLY in the show he had a comic book showing a polar bear which we later saw on the islandand I vaguely remember someone saying something about him being special.

Widmore - I made a comment last week and I know he had to be either a former leader of the others or the founder/contributor to dharma. Turns out he was anOther.

Widmore is going to be mad when Alpert or Jacob select Ben as the leader. I like the idea of Ben making him turn the wheel to get him off theisland and at the same time move it. Ben is the most manipulative guy ever. So now somehow Widmore gets involved with Dharma to try to figureout exactly what the island can do and how to get back.

What the hell happened to Charlotte?

Farraday

Miles is going to be key because of his ability to talk to the dead. Maybe he will be able to see the people everyone else couldn't because of the paradox?I liked how he told Farrday they just walked over a one month old grave so that shows he still had his abilities even as they were time traveling to thepast(that black horse theory sounds good at this point in time)

I'm done for now I gotta watch again .. probably tomorrow.

 

[barack 0drama]

Originally Posted by Crazy EBW

Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW

There is soo many ways the show could go. I really think it's hurting my brain thinking about it.

You and me both brother.

I just pictured Desmond's voice saying that...

 

[kix4kix]

Is there a map of the island online somewhere

I want to get my J locke on

I just want to know wherer they are in relation to everything, I think it would be dope.

 

[39478]

Originally Posted by kix4kix

Is there a map of the island online somewhere

I want to get my J locke on

I just want to know wherer they are in relation to everything, I think it would be dope.

http://lostmap.blogspot.com/

 

[barack 0drama]

Wow @ that map.

These dudes really created their own universe with this show...

If they made a really good Lost RPG game for consoles, I'd play the hell out of that !@++.

 

[andrew630]

Widmore straight murked the dude.

I have a favor to ask of all the Lost fans. Please post the gif of Jin spin-kicking Patchy!

 

[crazy ebw]

For real. This show has endless possibilities.

 

[jch3]

Originally Posted by Barack 0drama

Wow @ that map.

These dudes really created their own universe with this show...

If they made a really good Lost RPG game for consoles, I'd play the hell out of that !@++.

Same here.

The Lost: Via Domus game was alright, but I played it for 6 hours one day and never played it since.

 

[crazy ebw]

What was that game all about? I don't feel like googling