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Originally Posted by I Wear Sneakers
Some of the "questions" you guys wanted answered are trivial/nitpicking from the bigger picture.
IMO ...
agreed.Originally Posted by I Wear Sneakers
Some of the "questions" you guys wanted answered are trivial/nitpicking from the bigger picture.
IMO ...
Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW
Originally Posted by I Wear Sneakers
Some of the "questions" you guys wanted answered are trivial/nitpicking from the bigger picture.
IMO ...
EXACTLY.
Not gonna keep going on about it. And most of the ANSWERS were there. I LOVED the ending. Some didn't and that's cool.
And Seasoned vet - Glad to see you trolling the thread again, but I guess you didn't get to see the big let down you was expecting
Originally Posted by I Wear Sneakers
Some of the "questions" you guys wanted answered are trivial/nitpicking from the bigger picture.
IMO ...
Originally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg
Originally Posted by Nako XL
No Michael said the people stuck on the island had unfinished business.
The sideways reality happens long after the island is finished with them.
What bothers me about the ending is there's no real explanation for why MIB turned into a smoke monster or for any of the other really fantastical things that happened on the island... Are we supposed to just accept it all as "island magic"? come on...
They sidestepped almost all the questions people had coming in.
This is my only beef with the finale
Even going back two thousand years, the island is still bringing people to its shores. From an entire shipwreck of people a single woman is plucked, and it should be no surprise to learn that there's a reason she washes up on the beach alone. Immediately we learn that this is Claudia, birth-mom to LOST's two most important players: Jacob and the man in black.
Cue spooky music change, and enter our oldest LOST character to date - 'mother'. Right away, we should know who this really is. We're given a tremendous clue as Claudia stops to drink from a stream: the overhead reflection that startles her is nearly identical to a scene in The Cost of Living. In that episode, Mr. Eko is drinking from a similar stream when he sees the reflection of the smoke monster looming over him.
Yes, mother is the monster. As we later find out, she's also the keeper of the island, and protector of the holy heat lamp
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"They come, they fight, they corrupt, they destroy..." Mother's words would fall from the MIB's own lips, hundreds of years later. As successor, it stands to reason that he'd automatically acquire many of her ideologies. In similar fashion, as the smoke monster we've also learned that the man in black borrows things from those he would mimic or duplicate, perhaps even unknowingly. We've certainly seen him inherit the mannerisms, habits, and dialogue of John Locke. Apparently, the role of island guardian comes with certain baggage in the form of those who went before you - a definite reincarnation, of sorts.
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This week a long-standing theory I adhered to finally got popped: the idea that Jacob and the MIB were two halves of the same entity. Although we learned this physically wasn't the truth, spiritually and emotionally they really are indeed two halves of a whole.
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The ceremonial chanting and sharing of wine seemed largely symbolic to me. It was as if mother needed to convince Jacob that once he did this, his path was forever bound to the island. Jacob's still gullible at this point. He drinks up, and he believes her. Whether or not this truly does etch his destiny in stone remains to be seen, but this is where mother does something really, really slick: she recruits both Jacob and his brother to guard the island.
Jacob is 100% right. His brother was always first choice. But what he doesn't know: mother is shrewd enough to recognize that as 'good' as he is, Jacob can't guard the island alone. Jacob's honesty and commitment needs to be tempered by his brother's willingness to lie, be deceitful, and do anything needed to get the job done. Alone, each of them is only half a candidate. But together, they make an ideal guardian for the island's shores.
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This is where mother's plan gets totally insidious. She knocks the MIB out, and drags him to his village. By the time he wakes up, she's decimated the settlement and killed all his comrades. Even worse, she's filled in his well, eliminating any hope he might've had at getting off the island. THIS is what infuriates the man in black most of all. He couldn't care less about the people he lived with... but messing with his escape plan was the one thing sure to drive him completely berserk.
So how did mother accomplish all this stuff? As the smoke monster, of course. When she warned Jacob not to go into Yoda's cave, she was speaking as someone who'd done it herself. Sometime over the course of her tenure on the island, she'd put her own body through the island's paper shredder... and emerged with the power to commit the carnage we saw here by the time she got to the other side.
Also, consider the wall glyphs we saw during Dead is Dead, involving the worship of the smoke monster. Egyptian hieroglyphics would predate Jacob or the MIB's arrival on the island, indicative of the monster being around for much, much longer. At least that's my take on it.
The next thing mother does is plant the senet board at the scene of the crime. This makes the dark man think Jacob was also responsible for the destruction. Mother knows the MIB will seek them out, and in his rage, finally put an end to her life. She might even have needed him to kill her. Her time was up anyway, and Jacob had already taken her place. Hell, she'd even physically handed him a torch.
After conveniently sending Jacob away to 'get firewood', mother willingly meets her destiny at the end of the now infamous knife. She even thanks the man in black for her release. Predictably, this is when Jacob approaches. He sees his murderous brother holding a bloody knife standing over the body of their mother, and delivers another great flying tackle. A half-dozen punches later, and the final piece of mom's puzzle falls into place: Jacob drags the MIB to the secret stream, knocks him out, and sends him through the island's giant QUIZNOS oven.
In the end, this solves mother's every dilemma. Jacob gets spared the cost associated with going into the cave, and the man in black can no longer leave the island. When she first hatched her plan, mother knew full well this would be the end result - even if she wouldn't be around to see it. Her own long con involved serving out the rest of her time, and getting the best of both worlds when it came to a replacement for guarding the heart of the island.
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Originally Posted by DubA169
Originally Posted by CadillacFLOW
Dub- What mysteries are you specifically wanting? All of them?
The island is old, the island moves, the island has magical powers, the island has always had someone there with magical powers protecting it. How can they really explain that? Like the Mother said the questions would never stop. You gotta cut it off some where.
i want to know SOMETHING about eloise hawking. how the hell did she know what was going on the whole time. they played her up thsi whole season.
more about the effects of jughead
much more about whidmore. how did he get back to the island.... the rules
they didn't answer stuff from this very season. they copped out. the whole series isn't coherent.
it's laughable how much horse #!$+ the numbers are. they are cursed, but no it's jacobs numbers. how did that guy in the mental institution hear about them?
jacob was sending meteors and crap at hurley?
the jacob game/bringing people to the island is all types of messed up and makes little sense.
Originally Posted by Mo Matik
Originally Posted by I Wear Sneakers
Some of the "questions" you guys wanted answered are trivial/nitpicking from the bigger picture.
IMO ...
I think if this show was shorter, that'd be acceptable. But a show with quadrillion episodes should definitely be less vague about major themes and aspects of the shows plot.
I can't believe that was the finale. I mean purgatory? Really? It's a giant cop out. Think if rather than the regular reality, all we had was the alternate reality. And then at the end they were to say "Oh, everything that happened has no actual purpose. You guys should go to Heaven at the same time." Yeah... that makes sense.
Might as well have Jack wake up during the original flight 815 and say "Wow, that was a crazy dream."
quiktoflip wrote:
Im sure things will be figured out. But this show was about entertainment not the meaning of life. It was/is a puzzle to keep you busy like a game.
A game you can keep playing long after the show is over. Until that day when you have the whole game figured out and now you only play it because
its fun that you know every corner of the puzzle.
yes it's a puzzle with 700 out of 1000 pieces missing
I'd really love to see if there is an explanation for this or is it simply that the producers couldn't get the actors to be on the show this season (besides Ana Lucia of course)Originally Posted by MrONegative
[h1]
If this is only a reunion for people who were on the island, why is Penny (who never set a foot on the place) there, while Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Ana-Lucia and so many more are not? (Won't someone please think of Nikki and Paulo?) Couldn't Ben just bring Alex? Do Jack and Juliet no longer care about their imaginary afterlife son? [/h1]
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Okay so this is my ONLY question.........Was the ISLAND the waiting place before they could "MOVE ON" (to Heaven or whatever) or was the FLASH SIDEWAYS the waiting place before they could "MOVE ON"........The Flash sideways was right? that would make far more sence or it to be the waiting place
THANK YOU........So basiclly the bomb NEVER worked, what we were watching wassnt a flashside ways..........it was just a waiting place before they could move on? and the "bad" people didnt make it only the good peopleOriginally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg
Originally Posted by ONHOLLOWEDGROUND821
Okay so this is my ONLY question.........Was the ISLAND the waiting place before they could "MOVE ON" (to Heaven or whatever) or was the FLASH SIDEWAYS the waiting place before they could "MOVE ON"........The Flash sideways was right? that would make far more sence or it to be the waiting place
Correct, the flash sideways was the waiting place
Well Penny was "good" and even if she didnt step foot on the Island she was the love of Desmond's life so I understand why she would be there, Ana Lucia was "Bad" and Im guessing so was Miles? and a few others on the plane that left..........And correct me if Im wrong but didnt Daniel and Charlotte make it into the Church? they did didnt they?........Ben felt he was too Bad to make it by his own admissions, so that's why he didnt make it and get to be with his daughterOriginally Posted by ExtRaOrDinaRy SwAg
I'd really love to see if there is an explanation for this or is it simply that the producers couldn't get the actors to be on the show this season (besides Ana Lucia of course)Originally Posted by MrONegative
[h1]
If this is only a reunion for people who were on the island, why is Penny (who never set a foot on the place) there, while Daniel, Charlotte, Miles, Ana-Lucia and so many more are not? (Won't someone please think of Nikki and Paulo?) Couldn't Ben just bring Alex? Do Jack and Juliet no longer care about their imaginary afterlife son? [/h1]
Originally Posted by Falcon4567
I'm pretty sure not everyone was there because they had to get to heaven at their own pace.