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agreed. the 5 wasnt good to me. i do have a question tho. the white soles of my 4s have become a little scuffed. u know its that plasticy feeling sole and it tears weird too when scuffed. how do u clean that? i see these little nicks in the sole and done want to make them worse.IMO WoW brand has just really mismanaged the brand. Banking on select availability and exclusivity, I feel like they shot themselves in the foot. Wade to Chicago didn't help, an All Star release full of shenanigans, plus IMO a step backwards in design and materials...and you have the current state of WoW brand. I had such HIGH hopes for this brand as well but they lost me at the 4...