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Originally Posted by Bigmike23
Originally Posted by henz0
Fact remains - what did Jordan accomplish before he had a top 50 all time player by his side? MJ's career pre-pippen looks a lot like Kobe's post shaq, so far.
It takes more than 1 superstar, even if it's the best of all time, to put a dynasty together. if people are going to continue saying Kobe only won because of shaq, you've gotta give jordan the same treatment.. neither MJ nor Shaq could've done it without players of Kobe and Pippens caliber, and vice versa.
I understand what you're trying to say...... I totally agree with not being able to win without a top 50 player by your side.. but Mike CARRIED THE TEAM(s) just like Shaq CARRIED those laker championship teams. Which is why I said all my hate for kobe would go away if they win now because he has all the pieces around him to be able to CARRY that team to a championship.
again kobe was that lakers team 4th QTR closer he carried that team just as much as shaq did
This. I think when they say that Shaq "carried" that team, they are specifically talking about the Finals where Shaq was simplyunstoppable, but they forget the journey to get to that point, Kobe had just of as much of a burden on to get LA to that point and then Shaq went into beastmode to finish it. But there were NUMEROUS situations during the 3 peat years where Shaq wasn't even on the floor when the game was on the line b/c hefouled out or wasn't able to be trusted to hit FTs where Kobe had to be THAT guy and bring LA home. Kobe was almost always the guy taking the shot at theend of the game, even as a youngster, he was the closer.