LeBron - Rise

[andfattoo]

games started?.... what are you trying to say?

 

[never wear them]

Originally Posted by andfattoo

he was........... but thats because he was a rookie, the NBA didn't start rookies like that back in the day. But once they found out they could with him, they put that tradition aside.

True. But the reason why I mentioned that, was towards the guy's view on Magic joining that squad.


dont get me wrong. Lebron is a beast... He's a new type of breed for the NBA. A bigger stronger Magic Johnson, if you will... Along with Dwight Howard, Durantula...
I just think that style of play that Jordan And Kobe have is long gone. DWade couldve had it... But he can care less IMHO. He seems to just not give a f***... Which is why Lebron will outshine him in his own city. And be put on billboards and magazines... Which will drive DWade out or want to get traded haha

 

[never wear them]

Originally Posted by andfattoo

he was........... but thats because he was a rookie, the NBA didn't start rookies like that back in the day. But once they found out they could with him, they put that tradition aside.

True. But the reason why I mentioned that, was towards the guy's view on Magic joining that squad.


dont get me wrong. Lebron is a beast... He's a new type of breed for the NBA. A bigger stronger Magic Johnson, if you will... Along with Dwight Howard, Durantula...
I just think that style of play that Jordan And Kobe have is long gone. DWade couldve had it... But he can care less IMHO. He seems to just not give a f***... Which is why Lebron will outshine him in his own city. And be put on billboards and magazines... Which will drive DWade out or want to get traded haha

 

[bijald0331]

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

 

[bijald0331]

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

 

[andfattoo]

Jordan and Kobe are different. I would say the older Jordan is more like Kobe, cause when Jordan was younger he got majority of his point due to movement without the ball as opposed to with the ball, like Ray Allen. When he got older, he still did those things, but he developed that insane post up and face-up game. D Wade is his own player, and get his points the way he knows how (transition, iso, driving to the basket off screens or not, and dishes the ball off whenever he feels with good ball handling ability). I dont think its about outshining the other player, they both want that ring and willing to work together.

 

[andfattoo]

Jordan and Kobe are different. I would say the older Jordan is more like Kobe, cause when Jordan was younger he got majority of his point due to movement without the ball as opposed to with the ball, like Ray Allen. When he got older, he still did those things, but he developed that insane post up and face-up game. D Wade is his own player, and get his points the way he knows how (transition, iso, driving to the basket off screens or not, and dishes the ball off whenever he feels with good ball handling ability). I dont think its about outshining the other player, they both want that ring and willing to work together.

 

[andfattoo]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

 

[andfattoo]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

 

[never wear them]

The Black Mamba # 8...... untouchable.

If he had the team he has now, back when he was shooting 12 3pointers in 1 game, fadeaway 3pointers, monster dunks, game winners, 60+,50+ streak games... He seriously wouldve been on a different plateau. Kobe now is in his "2nd prime".

We all will have different views on every player. Some Ppl think that Carmelo Anthony has better game than lebron... I remember that one game that they went back and forth and Carmelo just sank the game winning shot on lebron.


I respect all opinions. But frown on Michael Jordan's opinion haha.

 

[never wear them]

The Black Mamba # 8...... untouchable.

If he had the team he has now, back when he was shooting 12 3pointers in 1 game, fadeaway 3pointers, monster dunks, game winners, 60+,50+ streak games... He seriously wouldve been on a different plateau. Kobe now is in his "2nd prime".

We all will have different views on every player. Some Ppl think that Carmelo Anthony has better game than lebron... I remember that one game that they went back and forth and Carmelo just sank the game winning shot on lebron.


I respect all opinions. But frown on Michael Jordan's opinion haha.

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by andfattoo

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

He started his first career game. Theres a 10 minute youtube clip. Check it out 

Kareem hit a game-winner 

 

[bijald0331]

Originally Posted by andfattoo

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

He started his first career game. Theres a 10 minute youtube clip. Check it out 

Kareem hit a game-winner 

 

[andfattoo]

"1st prime" Kobe was a beast, I doubt he would be using those same players the same as he is now as well as having the same attitude. But in your defense, Jordan had that same attitude at one point in time in his career. But Jordan still get the clear edge do to the fact that he got his rings with out that above average to dominant post presence, defying the natural way of winning championships in basketball, playing inside-out, not outside-in.  And oh yea....... and him playing in the age when hand checking wasnt a foul.

 

[andfattoo]

"1st prime" Kobe was a beast, I doubt he would be using those same players the same as he is now as well as having the same attitude. But in your defense, Jordan had that same attitude at one point in time in his career. But Jordan still get the clear edge do to the fact that he got his rings with out that above average to dominant post presence, defying the natural way of winning championships in basketball, playing inside-out, not outside-in.  And oh yea....... and him playing in the age when hand checking wasnt a foul.

 

[andfattoo]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by andfattoo

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

He started his first career game. Theres a 10 minute youtube clip. Check it out 

Kareem hit a game-winner 

ok.... ill check it out (not being sarcastic)..... u got me, i should have did more research before piggybacking someone to give a more accurate statement, even though my point he was hes want a true benchwarmer.

 

[andfattoo]

Originally Posted by bijald0331

Originally Posted by andfattoo

Originally Posted by bijald0331

andfattoo, are you serious???
77 games played with 36.3 mpg!! That's a BENCHWARMER to you? 

1	Norm Nixon	24	82		39.3
2	Kareem Abdul-Jabbar	32	82		38.3
3	Jamaal Wilkes	26	82		37.9
4	Magic Johnson	20	77		36.3
5	Jim Chones	30	82		29.2																		.
6	Michael Cooper	23	82		24.1
7	Spencer Haywood	30	76		20.3
8	Ron Boone	33	6		17.7
9	Mark Landsberger	24	23		16.3
10	Kenny Carr	24	5		11.4
11	Don Ford	27	52		11.2
12	Marty Byrnes	23	32		6.1
13	Ollie Mack	22	27		5.7
14	Brad Holland	23	38		5.2
15	Butch Lee	23	11		2.8

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I can't believe I even have to post this to prove my point...

dude, at one point he was........ in the beginning of the season and then i went and said, they started playing him more once they saw they could win with him.  How is gonna be a benchwarmer and be doing work in playoffs?

He started his first career game. Theres a 10 minute youtube clip. Check it out 

Kareem hit a game-winner 

ok.... ill check it out (not being sarcastic)..... u got me, i should have did more research before piggybacking someone to give a more accurate statement, even though my point he was hes want a true benchwarmer.

 

[never wear them]

I'd love to counteract on the comparison of talent in the NBA as to a decade ago.... But it's just way outta hand. And yesss.... Hand checking a foul?.... Bull****.

 

[never wear them]

I'd love to counteract on the comparison of talent in the NBA as to a decade ago.... But it's just way outta hand. And yesss.... Hand checking a foul?.... Bull****.

 

[nat turner]

never wear them wrote:

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" Bird was running with Mchale, Parrish, DJ
Magic was running with Kareem, James Worthy, Michael Cooper "



A Completely different situation.

Those players made a name for themselves.
Don't bring them up if you don't know what exactly happened and how they came about, as elite players.

Magic was a bench warmer at one point. Keep that in mind. Now he has a handful of rings and a statue outside Staples Center.
WHAT???????

Where did you hear that?

read!

 

[nat turner]

never wear them wrote:

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" Bird was running with Mchale, Parrish, DJ
Magic was running with Kareem, James Worthy, Michael Cooper "



A Completely different situation.

Those players made a name for themselves.
Don't bring them up if you don't know what exactly happened and how they came about, as elite players.

Magic was a bench warmer at one point. Keep that in mind. Now he has a handful of rings and a statue outside Staples Center.
WHAT???????

Where did you hear that?

read!

 

[never wear them]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

never wear them wrote:

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" Bird was running with Mchale, Parrish, DJ
Magic was running with Kareem, James Worthy, Michael Cooper "



A Completely different situation.

Those players made a name for themselves.
Don't bring them up if you don't know what exactly happened and how they came about, as elite players.

Magic was a bench warmer at one point. Keep that in mind. Now he has a handful of rings and a statue outside Staples Center.

WHAT???????

Where did you hear that?

read!


��


Now what the hell does that video have to do with anything?.... This fool...

 

[never wear them]

Originally Posted by Nat Turner

never wear them wrote:

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" Bird was running with Mchale, Parrish, DJ
Magic was running with Kareem, James Worthy, Michael Cooper "



A Completely different situation.

Those players made a name for themselves.
Don't bring them up if you don't know what exactly happened and how they came about, as elite players.

Magic was a bench warmer at one point. Keep that in mind. Now he has a handful of rings and a statue outside Staples Center.

WHAT???????

Where did you hear that?

read!


��


Now what the hell does that video have to do with anything?.... This fool...

 

[welcome2jungle]

You cant compare Lebron to other nba players cause he hasnt had good coachin!

Magic Johnson coach-Pat Riley(hall of famer)

Say what you want bout Lebron but coaching is important Lebron never in his career been with a hall of fame coach and magic johnson never was a bench warmer he been a winner since day one dont run away from the facts La Lakers always been winners in Nba. Lebron came in league with a losing team with horrible attendance.. He made Cavs worth sumthin.. Lakers gonna be winners when Kobe leave...

 

[welcome2jungle]

You cant compare Lebron to other nba players cause he hasnt had good coachin!

Magic Johnson coach-Pat Riley(hall of famer)

Say what you want bout Lebron but coaching is important Lebron never in his career been with a hall of fame coach and magic johnson never was a bench warmer he been a winner since day one dont run away from the facts La Lakers always been winners in Nba. Lebron came in league with a losing team with horrible attendance.. He made Cavs worth sumthin.. Lakers gonna be winners when Kobe leave...