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.[h1]Scouting Report: Examining Bynum's breakout season[/h1]
By David Thorpe
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Andrew Bynum has arrived as a serious contributor to the Lakers. How is he doing it? How can he continue to develop?
Let's take a look:
[h2]Early offense[/h2]The Lakers play at the fifth fastest pace in the NBA and Bynum is a beneficiary of their style and speed. He rarely racesdown the floor, choosing instead to run methodically rim-to-rim (even in transition) and looking to make contact with his defender inside. He occasionally setsa drag screen for the guard but even then he heads right to the paint afterward hoping for the quick lob.
Because the Lakers shoot so well -- they have six guys who shoot better than 36 percent from 3, plus Kobe Bryant at 34 percent -- Bynum is left alone in thepaint. He's difficult to deny because of the threat of the spin lob (made famous by Shaq), so he can normally get to where he wants to go on theblocks.
I wouldn't label him a "bucket getter," nor is he the second-coming of the "Big Fundamental," but he is certainly capable ofmaneuvering for his jump hook. He is effective going over either shoulder (though he still prefers finishing with his right hand), and doesn't really favormoving in one particular direction. He faces up about 15 percent of the time, but tends to make one move before reverting back to his back-to-the-basketstuff.
Ironically, considering Bynum is not a speedster running the floor, 47 percent of his shots come within the first 10 seconds of the offense (82games.com).In comparison, consider that Carmelo Anthony plays small forward for the super-fast Nuggets (No. 1 in pace) and gets 44 percent of his shots in the first 10seconds.
Credit Phil Jackson and the Lakers for recognizing that Bynum is most effective when the defense is still getting set, while part of that number also comesfrom offensive rebounds. Still, as defenses retreat worrying about Kobe, it's often Bynum who hurts them.
He has greatly improved his finishing moves, using his long arms at full extension to score or get fouled in traffic. He is not soft in the paint, and seemsto prefer contact on many instances -- the sign of a maturing big
[h2]Intangible growth on offense[/h2]Kareem Abdul-Jabbar deserves much praise for Bynum's development. Most impressively, Bynum has learnedhow to use his size, speed and length in a far more productive way. Just as Shaq excelled because he had both the body and the mind-set to use his body, so itis with Bynum. He has a different body, but a similar mind-set.
According to 82games.com, Bynum dunked for just 15 percent of his baskets last season, and 81 percent of those were assisted. This means he was set up forthe dunk most of the time. This year, he's getting 30 percent of his baskets off dunks, and only 68 percent are assisted. Simply put, he's huntingdunks on people and doing it effectively.
Big men who like to play inside should prefer dunks whenever possible, it is the highest percentage shot and draws the most fouls. Settling for anythingless in many cases is a sign of physical or mental weakness.
Bynum is not an overpowering athlete, but he has learned that his long arms can reach the rim quicker than defenders often realize. Watch the accompanyingvideo and you'll see some examples.
In John Hollinger's pre-season scouting report, he wrote this about Bynum: "& he'll pass out of the post even when he has an advantage, andneeds to learn to get more aggressive." Not anymore.
He's also been impressive in his ability to make plays with the ball as a passer or dribbler. Bynum can now score from almost anywhere inside the3-point line by using just one dribble to get to the rim. Or escape trouble.
According to Hollinger's stats, his turnover ratio is down and his assist ratio is up, helping to build confidence both within Bynum and his teammates.He still makes the unfortunate pass sometimes, looking for the "special" play instead of the steady one, but in time he'll play with morediscipline and connect on the special play a little more often too.
[h2]On defense and the glass[/h2]The Lakers were a poor defensive team last season, 24th in defensive efficiency. This year they rank No. 7(allowing five fewer points per 100 possessions compared to last year). All good defenses start with a strong interior presence; Bynum is making a differenceon both ends of the floor.
Players as talented as Bynum must learn that their teams need them in games and not on the bench sitting with foul issues. This is a difficult challenge tonavigate for young players, especially 7-footers who are expected to be a force inside. But Bynum is performing beautifully in this area.
Compared to last year, he's playing almost seven more minutes per game and getting almost a half a block more per game (up to 2.09), while his fouls aredown to less than three per game. He's not a shot-blocking phenom, yet he ranks ninth in the league. More importantly, as the best shot-blocker/alterer theLakers employ, he's staying out of foul trouble and on the floor.
He's improved in the area of defending ball screens as well, using his massive wingspan to slow down the dribbler and cut off passing lanes withoutbeing foul prone.
On the glass, he's active and his strong hands enable him to pull down 50/50 balls with regularity. He also seems to be more engaged in the wholeprocess -- rebounds start with "want to" and Bynum has that now. His rebounds per game are up significantly, as are his rebound rates, and he'saveraging a double-double for the first time in his young career.
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Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
Andrew Bynum is on the rise and has the league on notice.
[h2]How good can he be?[/h2]Bynum is 21st in the league in PER at 22.08. He's ahead of stars like Tracy McGrady and Shawn Marion. Andhe's sixth among centers, behind only two other players who play exclusively as 5s (Howard and Yao). Oh, and he just turned 20 in October and is at leasttwo years younger than everyone above him on the centers list.
If Bynum makes just marginal strides in his next two years, he could grow into a dominant player. And if, by 21, he makes the same phenomenal jump he'smade this season, we could be talking about one of the top two true centers in the league next year.
In what areas can Bynum improve? For starters, he never runs a pick and pop; he always rolls to the rim. But that can change. He's also not an explosiveleaper, though he's far from growing into his athletic peak.
And while he's improved in his ability to get buckets, we can expect better scoring numbers as his playing time increases and his experiences andreference points expand. He's averaging 12.9 ppg and getting only 27 percent of his shots after the 16-second mark of the shot clock. As his game grows, sowill his opportunities as a go-to guy in crunch time.
Lastly, big men almost always develop late. So imagine if Kareem, who averaged over 26 ppg at the age of 33, can school his most successful pupil on thegame's deadliest offensive weapon -- the sky hook. With the skyhook, and more of the offense flowing through him in the years to come, Bynum has thepotential to become a big-time scorer.
But in the meantime, he'll be a very strong force on a very strong team, making his fans, coaches and one teammate in particular very happy.
David Thorpe is an NBA analyst for ESPN.com and the executive director of the Pro Training Center at the IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla., where he overseesthe player development program for NBA and college players. To e-mail him, clickhere.
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By David Thorpe
ESPN.com
(Archive)
Andrew Bynum has arrived as a serious contributor to the Lakers. How is he doing it? How can he continue to develop?
Let's take a look:
[h2]Early offense[/h2]The Lakers play at the fifth fastest pace in the NBA and Bynum is a beneficiary of their style and speed. He rarely racesdown the floor, choosing instead to run methodically rim-to-rim (even in transition) and looking to make contact with his defender inside. He occasionally setsa drag screen for the guard but even then he heads right to the paint afterward hoping for the quick lob.
Because the Lakers shoot so well -- they have six guys who shoot better than 36 percent from 3, plus Kobe Bryant at 34 percent -- Bynum is left alone in thepaint. He's difficult to deny because of the threat of the spin lob (made famous by Shaq), so he can normally get to where he wants to go on theblocks.
I wouldn't label him a "bucket getter," nor is he the second-coming of the "Big Fundamental," but he is certainly capable ofmaneuvering for his jump hook. He is effective going over either shoulder (though he still prefers finishing with his right hand), and doesn't really favormoving in one particular direction. He faces up about 15 percent of the time, but tends to make one move before reverting back to his back-to-the-basketstuff.
Ironically, considering Bynum is not a speedster running the floor, 47 percent of his shots come within the first 10 seconds of the offense (82games.com).In comparison, consider that Carmelo Anthony plays small forward for the super-fast Nuggets (No. 1 in pace) and gets 44 percent of his shots in the first 10seconds.
Credit Phil Jackson and the Lakers for recognizing that Bynum is most effective when the defense is still getting set, while part of that number also comesfrom offensive rebounds. Still, as defenses retreat worrying about Kobe, it's often Bynum who hurts them.
He has greatly improved his finishing moves, using his long arms at full extension to score or get fouled in traffic. He is not soft in the paint, and seemsto prefer contact on many instances -- the sign of a maturing big
[h2]Intangible growth on offense[/h2]Kareem Abdul-Jabbar deserves much praise for Bynum's development. Most impressively, Bynum has learnedhow to use his size, speed and length in a far more productive way. Just as Shaq excelled because he had both the body and the mind-set to use his body, so itis with Bynum. He has a different body, but a similar mind-set.
According to 82games.com, Bynum dunked for just 15 percent of his baskets last season, and 81 percent of those were assisted. This means he was set up forthe dunk most of the time. This year, he's getting 30 percent of his baskets off dunks, and only 68 percent are assisted. Simply put, he's huntingdunks on people and doing it effectively.
Big men who like to play inside should prefer dunks whenever possible, it is the highest percentage shot and draws the most fouls. Settling for anythingless in many cases is a sign of physical or mental weakness.
Bynum is not an overpowering athlete, but he has learned that his long arms can reach the rim quicker than defenders often realize. Watch the accompanyingvideo and you'll see some examples.
In John Hollinger's pre-season scouting report, he wrote this about Bynum: "& he'll pass out of the post even when he has an advantage, andneeds to learn to get more aggressive." Not anymore.
He's also been impressive in his ability to make plays with the ball as a passer or dribbler. Bynum can now score from almost anywhere inside the3-point line by using just one dribble to get to the rim. Or escape trouble.
According to Hollinger's stats, his turnover ratio is down and his assist ratio is up, helping to build confidence both within Bynum and his teammates.He still makes the unfortunate pass sometimes, looking for the "special" play instead of the steady one, but in time he'll play with morediscipline and connect on the special play a little more often too.
[h2]On defense and the glass[/h2]The Lakers were a poor defensive team last season, 24th in defensive efficiency. This year they rank No. 7(allowing five fewer points per 100 possessions compared to last year). All good defenses start with a strong interior presence; Bynum is making a differenceon both ends of the floor.
Players as talented as Bynum must learn that their teams need them in games and not on the bench sitting with foul issues. This is a difficult challenge tonavigate for young players, especially 7-footers who are expected to be a force inside. But Bynum is performing beautifully in this area.
Compared to last year, he's playing almost seven more minutes per game and getting almost a half a block more per game (up to 2.09), while his fouls aredown to less than three per game. He's not a shot-blocking phenom, yet he ranks ninth in the league. More importantly, as the best shot-blocker/alterer theLakers employ, he's staying out of foul trouble and on the floor.
He's improved in the area of defending ball screens as well, using his massive wingspan to slow down the dribbler and cut off passing lanes withoutbeing foul prone.
On the glass, he's active and his strong hands enable him to pull down 50/50 balls with regularity. He also seems to be more engaged in the wholeprocess -- rebounds start with "want to" and Bynum has that now. His rebounds per game are up significantly, as are his rebound rates, and he'saveraging a double-double for the first time in his young career.
[+] Enlarge
Nathaniel S. Butler/Getty Images
Andrew Bynum is on the rise and has the league on notice.
[h2]How good can he be?[/h2]Bynum is 21st in the league in PER at 22.08. He's ahead of stars like Tracy McGrady and Shawn Marion. Andhe's sixth among centers, behind only two other players who play exclusively as 5s (Howard and Yao). Oh, and he just turned 20 in October and is at leasttwo years younger than everyone above him on the centers list.
If Bynum makes just marginal strides in his next two years, he could grow into a dominant player. And if, by 21, he makes the same phenomenal jump he'smade this season, we could be talking about one of the top two true centers in the league next year.
In what areas can Bynum improve? For starters, he never runs a pick and pop; he always rolls to the rim. But that can change. He's also not an explosiveleaper, though he's far from growing into his athletic peak.
And while he's improved in his ability to get buckets, we can expect better scoring numbers as his playing time increases and his experiences andreference points expand. He's averaging 12.9 ppg and getting only 27 percent of his shots after the 16-second mark of the shot clock. As his game grows, sowill his opportunities as a go-to guy in crunch time.
Lastly, big men almost always develop late. So imagine if Kareem, who averaged over 26 ppg at the age of 33, can school his most successful pupil on thegame's deadliest offensive weapon -- the sky hook. With the skyhook, and more of the offense flowing through him in the years to come, Bynum has thepotential to become a big-time scorer.
But in the meantime, he'll be a very strong force on a very strong team, making his fans, coaches and one teammate in particular very happy.
David Thorpe is an NBA analyst for ESPN.com and the executive director of the Pro Training Center at the IMG Academies in Bradenton, Fla., where he overseesthe player development program for NBA and college players. To e-mail him, clickhere.
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Originally Posted by TH0MAS CR0WN
I'm still bitter about that Caron trade
Same here, and he is just so filled with potential, having Kobe around him was really gonna be an important influence, and great for the team aswell.
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I think If we could package Odom and Javaris and maybe Mihm or some draft picks we could get something decent in return, not to mention Sasha which in thatcase we could pay the other team some money to take 'em of our hands..... hahaha
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We won't have to look at kwame's contract much longer. I just hope we can deal him. I wish I could send that sonics trade to mitch. Maybe I shouldcall KLAC and let them know since all of the lakers front office listens to them....
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^^ Stu Lantz was joking last night once Farmar and Sasha started hitting shots, he said "careful, if you get hot, Phil might take you out"
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I go after Ron Artest if I am Mitch this summer. I would love to see him in the Purple and Gold.
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keep bringing bynum off the bench...he not ready to start yet 19 points 6 fouls..
him and farmar will be great for us off the bench
him and farmar will be great for us off the bench
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Just a little video i found on my computer , that i know my fellow laker fans will enjoy.....IMO the best laker/kobe vid I've seen
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For all the laker fans that like these 87-88 throwbacks, I went to my pro image and they do make these up to a 4xl. I got the kobe in a 4xl but to my surpisethey also have magic johnson, james worthy, cooper, and the one I want most byron scott. Check your jersey shops.
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The question about Phil Jackson's future with the Lakers came up again tonight, before the game against New Jersey... Jackson stuck to his familiarrefrain, which is that his decision will be based on how he feels and whether or not he feels he is the right coach for this team. It seems as though Jacksonwants to buy himself a little more time and see how this season plays itself out. InsideSoCal
Phil Jackson isn't really resigning from the Lakers, despite his postgame comments after a droopy loss Friday in Boston. It was sarcasm, in a way only hecould deliver it. In reality, Jackson hasn't officially decided on his future with the Lakers, despite a self-imposed Thanksgiving deadline. "I havethought about it, but I'm not willing to state my position on it, though, OK?" he said Sunday. "I think that I should probably sit down and talkto Dr. [Jerry] Buss first." LA Times
Jackson, in the last season of a three-year, $30-million contract, repeatedly has said he would wait to sign an extension until properly gauging his strengthwhile recovering from a second hip-replacement surgery within a year. LA Times
Jackson said Sunday that his hips were "doing well." "Strength-wise, I'm getting stronger and things are going much better for me," hesaid. "It's just the process of this road grind that you go through to see what it's going to be like. That, and the effectiveness -- howeffective I can be as a coach. And if I see these players responding, I'll feel better about my decision." LA Times
Phil Jackson isn't really resigning from the Lakers, despite his postgame comments after a droopy loss Friday in Boston. It was sarcasm, in a way only hecould deliver it. In reality, Jackson hasn't officially decided on his future with the Lakers, despite a self-imposed Thanksgiving deadline. "I havethought about it, but I'm not willing to state my position on it, though, OK?" he said Sunday. "I think that I should probably sit down and talkto Dr. [Jerry] Buss first." LA Times
Jackson, in the last season of a three-year, $30-million contract, repeatedly has said he would wait to sign an extension until properly gauging his strengthwhile recovering from a second hip-replacement surgery within a year. LA Times
Jackson said Sunday that his hips were "doing well." "Strength-wise, I'm getting stronger and things are going much better for me," hesaid. "It's just the process of this road grind that you go through to see what it's going to be like. That, and the effectiveness -- howeffective I can be as a coach. And if I see these players responding, I'll feel better about my decision." LA Times
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lets see if we can trick the knicks into trading david lee for kwame and sasha
Yeah...that would be nice
I think Isaiah is stupid enough to do it....
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Damn ska, how many dallas threads did you have to lock up?
Anyway lets get to the meat of the matter...
Does anybody have PJ browns number? How about the nets number so we can get Jamaal Magloire out here? Does Jamal Sampson like dallas? Should we give ChirsWebber a call?
We have to do something!
Anyway lets get to the meat of the matter...
Does anybody have PJ browns number? How about the nets number so we can get Jamaal Magloire out here? Does Jamal Sampson like dallas? Should we give ChirsWebber a call?
We have to do something!
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1 game is really soft for Odom.
He should have got 2-3 IMO
He should have got 2-3 IMO
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As much as I hated Kupcake for trading Caron and not trading for other players....
Trading for Ariza
Drafting Farmar, Turiaf, Bynum, Crittenton, etc.
Signing Fisher
Our team is looking really good
Trading for Ariza
Drafting Farmar, Turiaf, Bynum, Crittenton, etc.
Signing Fisher
Our team is looking really good
I don't know how we can get Kidd, but I know we need to do something. Anyone else notice how Paul, Williams, Iverson, Parker, have all been the onestearing us up? The PG's in this league have been just killing us and we need to get that fixed. I don't know if Kidd can keep up with those kids, butit's clear we need to do something.
I like the little break to let Ronny heal, and Kobe and Bynum get over their sickness. 2 against G State and one against the Spurs, I'm praying we get twoout of the three. I'd be ok with that. But I think the rest is good for us.
I like the little break to let Ronny heal, and Kobe and Bynum get over their sickness. 2 against G State and one against the Spurs, I'm praying we get twoout of the three. I'd be ok with that. But I think the rest is good for us.
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eh i don't know. he's too slow and would stall the offense imo.
i wouldn't mind grabbing malik allen though. he seems to be a good fit for the triangle with his shooting abilities.
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