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Oh of course my comment was not directed at you...but the twitter world has wild narratives and they act like whatever player they support does nothing wrong ever....
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Perceived by some… Of course the guys at ESPN who would rather sell drama would promote this kinda stuff. Look, AD said something after the game that could’ve been taken in a number of different ways. Maybe he meant coaching, maybe he meant players, maybe he meant LeBron calling an audible for his own number and deviating from the game plan… we really don’t know.
All someone has to do is ask AD what he meant by that comment, and I think we can put it behind us. Maybe that’s happened already but I haven’t seen it. I think it’s very disingenuous if you asked the perceived target of an insult what do you think about what this guy said about you before getting clarification…but hey I’m just a stand up guy so what do I know
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I mean, I think AD was just frustrated like Ham said but when a star player says those exact words it naturally leads to discussion centered on the coach and staff.
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All good in the hood man! I have been slowly but surely easing back off of social media and NBA twitter for those very reasons you listed. I actually like to talk hoops and between me (mostly) clowning around I feel like most of my takes are pretty reasonable… and I’m open to discussion on just about anything, except for DLo not sucking I draw the line in the sand there
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I get that P, but it’s not really a discussion it’s just mob mentality mostly saying it has to be one way. I’d like to see people thinking a little more critically about these situations man. I’m not even saying I’m right and they’re wrong, but can we even talk about it? Thats the part that’s wild to me…
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Then move away from the light, not towards it.
"Doesn't matter as much as people think" is fine.
"Doesn't matter to superstars, just the rotational guys"; cool.
"Zero impact on the game. Literally anyone in here could have coached Kobe to the same 5 championships Phil did, not even joking. It's a made-up position": don't do that.
And I pay Phil that respect, BUT.......Iono.
I find it EXTREMELY interesting that Phil joins grown up Mike and Scottie and wins 3 straight. Mike retires for 2 years, winning stops. Mike comes back, wins 3 straight.
Hmmmm
Kobe reaches puberty and Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. 04 happens, Shaq leaves, and Phil is first round fodder to MDA.
Pau shows up, and 3 straight Finals runs.
Hmmmm
And this is THEE GREATEST coach in NBA history, yet those "coincidences" sit right there.
BTW, he's the coach I mentioned that sat in his chair cleaning his glasses during 20-0 runs. And folks CHEERED that ****.
Nuggets score 2 buckets and the entire thread blows up begging for Timeouts.
Kobe worked out 24/7 when Phil was banging Jeanie. Coaching didn't have nothin to do with that.
Bron spends a million dollars a year on his body. The man went to 8 Finals in a row on two teams with 3 different coaches.
That 2011 run I mentioned earlier by the Mavs? Was that nuclear Dirk, or random middle aged white guy in a $2,000 suit? That "coach" knocked off Kobe, KD, and Bron all in the same postseason. He must have been super elite coach to pull that off, right?
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Watching this Heat game and seeing what Sponis doing w/o Jimmy just solidifies that COACHING matters
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"Steering wheels are useless. Everyone knows the motor & transmission do all the work. Get you a brand new engine and brand new transmission and all of a sudden the steering wheel did a fantastic job getting us home! Amazing!"And I pay Phil that respect, BUT.......Iono.
I find it EXTREMELY interesting that Phil joins grown up Mike and Scottie and wins 3 straight. Mike retires for 2 years, winning stops. Mike comes back, wins 3 straight.
Hmmmm
Kobe reaches puberty and Kobe/Shaq 3 peat. 04 happens, Shaq leaves, and Phil is first round fodder to MDA.
Pau shows up, and 3 straight Finals runs.
Hmmmm
And this is THEE GREATEST coach in NBA history, yet those "coincidences" sit right there.
BTW, he's the coach I mentioned that sat in his chair cleaning his glasses during 20-0 runs. And folks CHEERED that ****.
Nuggets score 2 buckets and the entire thread blows up begging for Timeouts.
Kobe worked out 24/7 when Phil was banging Jeanie. Coaching didn't have nothin to do with that.
Bron spends a million dollars a year on his body. The man went to 8 Finals in a row on two teams with 3 different coaches.
That 2011 run I mentioned earlier by the Mavs? Was that nuclear Dirk, or random middle aged white guy in a $2,000 suit? That "coach" knocked off Kobe, KD, and Bron all in the same postseason. He must have been super elite coach to pull that off, right?
That's what you sound like.
It's no coincidence that there were coaches immediately before Bulls Phil & Lakers Phil, and then Phil gets things right.
There's value in a good coach, for purposes of motivation, organizing practice, worrying about time outs and rotations...
You're sounding very "I've never played sports but I've watched millions of minutes" right now, bruh.
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Look at Miami. Inspirational. Players hitting shots, coach making adjustments when star player is out.
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One of these days we’re going to have a conversation about “adjustments”
but not today please I’m exhaustedOne of these days we’re going to have a conversation about “adjustments”
I. Can. Not. Wait.
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Spo ain’t one of these fake wanna be Phil Jackson coaches letting the team figure it out. He stops runs, with a time out. He calls a TO if the team ain’t doing what they need to do.
In today’s game the Celtics were about to stomp the yard again early in the first and Spo called early time outs twice. It worked.
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Option A: you get to pick whatever coach in the league you want, but when you're filling your roster, you cannot have any of the top 20 players in the league.
Option. B: you can pick 2 of the top 5 players in the league when you're building your roster, but your coach has to be one of the 5 worst coaches in the league (using player voting as the scale).
Obviously, I would choose Option B... but the point remains that when you have 2 of the top 5 players in the league AND a top coach in the league, that's how you get one guy with 3 different 3-peats, and then another back-to-back.
The steering wheel matters, even if you think it gets waaaaay too much credit.
C CP1708 , there's a lotttttta gray area in between 'glorified' & 'useless'... and I've told you about absolute thinking before.
Option. B: you can pick 2 of the top 5 players in the league when you're building your roster, but your coach has to be one of the 5 worst coaches in the league (using player voting as the scale).
Obviously, I would choose Option B... but the point remains that when you have 2 of the top 5 players in the league AND a top coach in the league, that's how you get one guy with 3 different 3-peats, and then another back-to-back.
The steering wheel matters, even if you think it gets waaaaay too much credit.
C CP1708 , there's a lotttttta gray area in between 'glorified' & 'useless'... and I've told you about absolute thinking before.
Agreed. I have considered that.
The way Phil turned Kobe from age 19 to age 20 was *chef's kiss*
Or how Boston and Detroit all aged out and Mike hit his prime.......
Again, Phil didn't win from 2002 to 2009. Was he not getting things right those years? He slipped on organizing practice? Or are there a million other variables that go into those years?
Option A: you get to pick whatever coach in the league you want, but when you're filling your roster, you cannot have any of the top 20 players in the league.
Option. B: you can pick 2 of the top 5 players in the league when you're building your roster, but your coach has to be one of the 5 worst coaches in the league (using player voting as the scale).
Obviously, I would choose Option B... but the point remains that when you have 2 of the top 5 players in the league AND a top coach in the league, that's how you get one guy with 3 different 3-peats, and then another back-to-back.
The steering wheel matters, even if you think it gets waaaaay too much credit. C CP1708 , there's a lotttttta gray area in between 'glorified' & 'useless'... and I've told you about absolute thinking before.
Just curiosity on my part.
No Google.....do you know who OKC's head coach is? Or Minnesota's coach?
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It's actually impressive how you ignore context that doesn't fit what you like.Agreed. I have considered that.
The way Phil turned Kobe from age 19 to age 20 was *chef's kiss*
Or how Boston and Detroit all aged out and Mike hit his prime.......
Again, Phil didn't win from 2002 to 2009. Was he not getting things right those years? He slipped on organizing practice? Or are there a million other variables that go into those years?
Coaching is not more important than roster construction, but that doesn't mean it's not important at ALL, dingus.
Steering wheel; remove it. Try to drive, even with a brand new engine & ******.
Steering wheel.
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Shaq called SVG a master of panic, Riles comes from upstairs and immediately wins a chip. Just Coincidence. Mike Brown replaces Phil...Kobe and Pau still there, yet no chip. Just a coincidence.
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Riley couldn't win in New York. Only when he had Magic/Kareem/Worthy or Shaq/Wade.
Phil got swept with Kobe/Pau the year before. (When they were a year younger)
And Mike Brown was coach of the year last year.....and missed the playoffs this year. Maybe he forgot how to coach?
Funny thing is, I'm giving YEARS of context and examples that y'all ignoring the **** out of.
Watch the hype tonight over Spo and next week when he's eliminated nobody gonna say jack ****
(Spo, who hasn't won since he had prime Bron/Wade/Bosh, but I digress.)
I hear your steering wheel analogy.......you'll note, I don't run around telling folks how important a steering wheel is to a car......
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For some reason you like to live in absolutes. Great coach =/= winning the chip every year. Just as great MVP level player means your going to win every year. There seems to be no area for nuance at all so I'll bow out for now and watch X-Men 97.
No worries. I don't even.....do we have playmates still?
Just interested in who gon get that OKC credit here pretty soon. I'm excited to start reading his name soon how he "turned things around" and such.
Or how Minny has "turned the corner" and it will have nothing to do with the ascension of Ant.
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I can see into the future and tell you how this is gonna go… the winning team made adjustments, the losing team did not.I. Can. Not. Wait.
Probably.
