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Amen to this... Amen!!!!!Originally Posted by tree4twenty
Originally Posted by Swerv1n
Kobe aint even the best Laker ever...... how can he be the best player ever. Come on now.....i think some people hating on MJ cause they aint get see his greatness. All they know is this lame Kobe era where teams aint even half as good as when Jordan was in his prime. I mean ALMOST every team in the league was deadly....u had the Suns the Pacers the Jazz the Blazers the Pistons the Spurs....etc. ANY of those teams from back then woulda mopped the 09' Lakers. 72-10 Bulls woulda SWEPT the finals this year.
Tell me Kobe is better than old Lakers Magic J, Kareem A, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Shaquille....even James Worthy was better. You know nothing about sports if u think he's better than these guys. And all these guys will admit MJ is better than them. If u think Kobe better than Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Pistol Pete, Oscar Robertson, or Bill Russel .......u dont know sh** about basketball......flat out.
I agree 100%.
One thing you gotta understand though, is people ride Kobe so hard because he is a LAKER. If MJ played his career with the Lakers and Kobe played for the Bulls, these same people would be the exact opposite. It's the team, not the player.
The Lakers are the Yankees of the NBA. People ride them no matter where they are from. BUT, for the real Laker fans, them saying Kobe>MJ is mandatory. They have to. That is their player/team. I am from Illinois, grew up watching MJ, and would say MJ>Kobe EVEN IF his stats were not as good as Kobes...But, to go as far as saying Kobe>ANY LAKER/AND OR PLAYER EVER?! Wow, just wow.
Originally Posted by NY GIANTS 11
He wore:
True Blue 3
White yellow PE 3
Black low 6
White 7
Black 7
White yellow PE 8
Black chrome 8
Concord 11
Space Jam 11 (commercial)
French Blue 12
Black 17
and there is a PE 9 floating around.
Originally Posted by xsalvioutlawx
Kobe Haters! Your hate is officially now irrelevant.
Tell me how my @## taste.
It was those Sprite commercials in 2003 of him working out and watching tape and stuff like that. I used to love those commercials. They weresuper inspirational. Somebody please find them somewhere! It would beOriginally Posted by T2 Judgment Day
Originally Posted by NY GIANTS 11
He wore:
True Blue 3
White yellow PE 3
Black low 6
White 7
Black 7
White yellow PE 8
Black chrome 8
Concord 11
Space Jam 11 (commercial)
French Blue 12
Black 17
and there is a PE 9 floating around.
Space Jam XI ? Which commercial?
pause @ 0:12. Also rocking the XVII during the deadlifts.Originally Posted by curlyone12
It was those Sprite commercials in 2003 of him working out and watching tape and stuff like that. I used to love those commercials. They were super inspirational. Somebody please find them somewhere! It would beOriginally Posted by T2 Judgment Day
Originally Posted by NY GIANTS 11
He wore:
True Blue 3
White yellow PE 3
Black low 6
White 7
Black 7
White yellow PE 8
Black chrome 8
Concord 11
Space Jam 11 (commercial)
French Blue 12
Black 17
and there is a PE 9 floating around.
Space Jam XI ? Which commercial?
Originally Posted by Swerv1n
Kobe aint even the best Laker ever...... how can he be the best player ever. Come on now.....i think some people hating on MJ cause they aint get see his greatness. All they know is this lame Kobe era where teams aint even half as good as when Jordan was in his prime. I mean ALMOST every team in the league was deadly....u had the Suns the Pacers the Jazz the Blazers the Pistons the Spurs....etc. ANY of those teams from back then woulda mopped the 09' Lakers. 72-10 Bulls woulda SWEPT the finals this year.
Tell me Kobe is better than old Lakers Magic J, Kareem A, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Shaquille....even James Worthy was better. You know nothing about sports if u think he's better than these guys. And all these guys will admit MJ is better than them. If u think Kobe better than Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Pistol Pete, Oscar Robertson, or Bill Russel .......u dont know sh** about basketball......flat out.
Originally Posted by tree4twenty
Originally Posted by Swerv1n
Kobe aint even the best Laker ever...... how can he be the best player ever. Come on now.....i think some people hating on MJ cause they aint get see his greatness. All they know is this lame Kobe era where teams aint even half as good as when Jordan was in his prime. I mean ALMOST every team in the league was deadly....u had the Suns the Pacers the Jazz the Blazers the Pistons the Spurs....etc. ANY of those teams from back then woulda mopped the 09' Lakers. 72-10 Bulls woulda SWEPT the finals this year.
Tell me Kobe is better than old Lakers Magic J, Kareem A, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Shaquille....even James Worthy was better. You know nothing about sports if u think he's better than these guys. And all these guys will admit MJ is better than them. If u think Kobe better than Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Pistol Pete, Oscar Robertson, or Bill Russel .......u dont know sh** about basketball......flat out.
I agree 100%.
One thing you gotta understand though, is people ride Kobe so hard because he is a LAKER. If MJ played his career with the Lakers and Kobe played for the Bulls, these same people would be the exact opposite. It's the team, not the player.
The Lakers are the Yankees of the NBA. People ride them no matter where they are from. BUT, for the real Laker fans, them saying Kobe>MJ is mandatory. They have to. That is their player/team. I am from Illinois, grew up watching MJ, and would say MJ>Kobe EVEN IF his stats were not as good as Kobes...But, to go as far as saying Kobe>ANY LAKER/AND OR PLAYER EVER?! Wow, just wow.
Reminds me of a buddy I have. He was born, raised, and still lives in the middle of Illinois, but His fav. teams are:
NBA - Lakers
NFL - Was 49ers, all the sudden it switched to the Patriots
NCAAB - UNC
NCAAF - FSU
MLB - Yankees (Of course)
Originally Posted by Swerv1n
Originally Posted by jordanpheen
ok cool I understand about passion for the game...Im the same wayOriginally Posted by Swerv1n
I even understand about you having a good...hell a great argument that Jordan is the best
but you really, like seriously don't think Kobe is the BEST in the NBA right now???
imo hes top at least 3 off all time
IMO....i would take Lebron, D Wayed, Dirk, and Tony Parker over Kobe in a pick up game.
I will say he is maybe top 5 easily top 10 right now. Lebron is heir to the throne.
My best argument is Kobes not even the best Laker ever how can he be best player ever.
I'll keep it real.....Kobe is a beast (its hard for me to type that) but he is overrated the leagues level of play and
all the injuries just make the Lakers look good.
If we woulda had a healthy Houston (Yao Ming Tracy McGrady) healthy Boston (KG) and i think SA was hurt alittle too LA wouldnt have won the Finals or even made it out of the west. Best that wasnt the case so congrats to Phil Jackson and Lamar Odom the only people on the Lakers i like. and Pau Gasol.
U got your Shaq-less ring Kobe time to retire my friend........
I don't think Kobe is better than Jordan, but I only see MAYBE three players of Lakers players that you mentioned that are better than Kobe.Magic, Kareem, and maybe Shaq. James Worthy please. Worthy does not believe that. He recently said Kobe is a top 5 player all time. Why would he say that ifthought he was better than Kobe, unless Worthy considers himself in the top 4. Reggie Miller on Dan Patrick's show said that Kobe was a top 10 playerall-time and if he won ring number 4 he would be a top 5 player. A recent a ESPN list on top shooting guards of all time places Kobe at number 2. Better thanWest and Pistol Pete. He is better than Larry Bird. I think Bird is overrated. Bird couldn't guard a chair, nor jump over a Monday morning newspaper.Russell was not good at all compared to todays players. He won eleven championship when the NBA only had like 10 teams. Wilt dominated a game when there wereonly a handful of 7 footers in the league. Michael Jordan basically said Wilt was overrated in his book "For the love of the Game". Wilt, Russell,and Oscar played in a league when the competition, were not as athletic and/or not as tall. Being athletic is not what makes a great bball but it definetlyhelps alot. I think rose tinted glasses off. Every team was not deadly, you named 6 teams (7 if you include the Bulls) that doesn't sound like "ALMOSTevery".Originally Posted by Swerv1n
Kobe aint even the best Laker ever...... how can he be the best player ever. Come on now.....i think some people hating on MJ cause they aint get see his greatness. All they know is this lame Kobe era where teams aint even half as good as when Jordan was in his prime. I mean ALMOST every team in the league was deadly....u had the Suns the Pacers the Jazz the Blazers the Pistons the Spurs....etc. ANY of those teams from back then woulda mopped the 09' Lakers. 72-10 Bulls woulda SWEPT the finals this year.
Tell me Kobe is better than old Lakers Magic J, Kareem A, Jerry West, Elgin Baylor, Shaquille....even James Worthy was better. You know nothing about sports if u think he's better than these guys. And all these guys will admit MJ is better than them. If u think Kobe better than Larry Bird, Wilt Chamberlain, Pistol Pete, Oscar Robertson, or Bill Russel .......u dont know sh** about basketball......flat out.
Hmmm lets see. Now its run and gun, 150-135 type games.Originally Posted by tree4twenty
Kobe is great, in 10 years LeBron will be greater than Kobe, MJ is the greatest.... Go ahead and start theat that comment, but I honestly believe that...
I think a lot of people don't like Kobe because he is so arrogant.
I honestly don't think Kobe would have got 3 rings with the same Bulls team that MJ got 6 with. ANYBODY who plays for a Lakers/Yankees type team for 12 years should have atleast 3 rings by default. I would have loved to see Kobe thrown into a team like the Bulls and go 72-10, and win 6 rings against some of the leagues ALL TIME greats.
PS - I don't hate Kobe at all. I love watching him play, but he is not MJ.
And I agree with xnyles about the defense. Back then they played real defense, now it is run and gun, 150-135 type games. The only time real defense is played is in the playoffs. It's just like what's his name said that just retired from the NFL - It's turning into pansy game...