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[h1]NikeLeaks[/h1][h2]Thanks to Julian Assange, we now know how Oregon’s top company fights corruption, counterfeiting and Croatian smugglers.[/h2]
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Illustration by JooHee Yoon

           
Tags: nike, wikileaks

Packed aboard buses and flatbed trucks, the workers rolled through the wide boulevards of the central business district of Indonesia’s capital toward the tall towers of the Jakarta Stock Exchange.

    They came by the thousands from the factories, their anger focused on a single company. They carried placards: “Nike Where Is Your Commitment,” and “Nike Is A Blood-Sucking Vampire.”

    One protester simply drew a swoosh over the words “**** You.”

    It was July 2007. A dispute between Nike and one of its largest overseas suppliers threatened to cost the workers their jobs, and the anger boiled over into the streets. As the workers’ convoy snarled traffic around Nike’s high-rise offices, the executives inside feared for their safety. Surrounded, they realized they could not trust the Indonesian police to protect them.

    The Nike executives needed help. They called the U.S. Embassy.

With operations in 170 countries, and factories in 33, Phil Knight’s $21 billion baby has nearly as many outposts as the State Department has embassies and consulates. It’s no surprise that Nike’s overseas employees and the U.S. diplomatic corps often cross paths. What is surprising is just how often their interests converge.

    In November 2010, WikiLeaks published its first batch of classified U.S. diplomatic cables—documents allegedly downloaded from a Defense Department computer network and burned onto a blank CD labeled “Lady Gaga.” The initial WikiLeaks releases led to headlines about Asian arms deals, Iran war plans and Moammar Gadhafi’s “voluptuous blonde” nurse.

    The full volume of 251,000 cables, spanning a decade of diplomatic correspondence, was released this September. In these once-secret documents, patient readers can find endless detail on the day-to-day workings of the U.S. State Department.

    WW’s review found 184 cables, totaling more than 900 pages, that reference Nike. As the state’s only truly global company, Nike is mentioned more often in the cables than any other business in Oregon.

    The cables excerpted here, and presented in full here, reveal the scope and complexity of Nike’s operations.

    Beyond manufacturing, shipping and advertising—the surface of Nike’s business—this enormous enterprise has developed its own intelligence, customs and forensic services.

    The cables follow executives and diplomats through the counterfeit markets of Asia, where modern pirates make millions copying—or simply stealing—the famous swoosh.

    They show Nike investigators prowling European warehouses in the dead of night, on the hunt for contraband.

    They reveal how corrupt police and politicians try to shake down the company for bribes—and how, in some places, the company pads the budgets of foreign enforcement agencies in return for service.

    They show a company that is sometimes robbed by its own subcontractors, and pressured by workers’ demands. And a few cables contain real drama, such as the story of the evacuation of Nike executives from Jakarta following a deal gone bad.

    Sheena Blevins, a Nike spokeswoman, said in an email that the company is “not able to participate” in this article and “this is not a story we would comment on.”

    It’s understandable. The NikeLeaks reveal challenges that would spell the end of many ventures. But Nike overcomes enormous risks on a daily basis. These cables show how.



Global corporations lose $250 billion a year to knockoffs, according to a study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development—and that includes only physical goods, not software, movies or music. Nike suffers a good share of those losses.

    The WikiLeaks cables provide new detail into this lucrative illegal trade. One April 2006 cable quotes a Nike manager in China (a capital of counterfeiting) tallying the company’s intellectual property-protection campaign for the prior year: 351 seizures involving 500 factories, and bogus shoes worth $100 million.

    Another 2006 cable, from September, recounts an extended tour taken by U.S. trade representatives to three large and fast-growing port cities in the Southeast China coastal provinces of Fuzhou, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Intellectual property experts call this region “the heart of darkness.”

    After visits with provincial authorities and functionaries—most of whom “stuck to Beijing’s talking points” and recounted ineffectual anti-counterfeiting publicity campaigns—a group of American executives followed U.S. Embassy officials into the streets.

    In the markets, they found dealers stocking “blatantly” fake Nikes and other American brands, from Levi’s to Snoop Dogg clothing. The scale was far beyond any Asian street market familiar to Lonely Planet-toting tourists. Shoppers here don’t haggle over the price of a single fake Rolex—they buy “tens of thousands” at a time.

    “Some of the vendors were not interested in selling individual items, preferring instead to deal with large, wholesale orders.… In addition, foreign buyers—particularly Africans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians—work in Guangzhou as wholesale purchasers and shippers for enterprises in their home countries.”

    Often, fakes are fairly obvious, featuring poor stitching or misshapen swooshes, made in “small-scale, rural ‘workshop’ operations [that are] difficult to track.”

    But Nike maintains that its real problem isn’t these rogue mom-and-pop sweatshops. Much of the illicit fare in the markets is the genuine article, made by their own subcontractors.

    “Some of the clothing…appeared to be high-quality, genuine products being sold at low prices…. This is likely the result of ‘third-shift’ manufacturing, in which factories produce extras to sell on the side….”

    Swooshes and other genuine Nike materials are often obtained from “recyclers, scavengers or from Nike workers who smuggle shoe parts out of the factory in their clothes or literally fling them over the back fences.”

    Nike takes such cases to court but, for several reasons, the company can’t simply rely on the authorities to enforce its trademark.

    Bureaucratic dysfunction is one reason. Nike’s brand protection manager in China, Bill Wei, is quoted explaining how trademark cases in China must prove that counterfeiters have made a profit before authorities will act, and how “U.S. companies must sometimes ‘shop around’ for a qualified enforcement body that will investigate a case.”

The WikiLeaks cables also show that demands for graft follow Nike from port to police station.

    A March 2007 cable recounts another factory-row tour, this one led by Nike reps, in Putian City, the shoemaking center of Fujian Province. “Putian officials are notoriously corrupt,” the cable notes. Two years earlier, a police official there “allegedly asked the Nike reps for a RMB 100,000 payment”—that’s approximately $13,000—“for each infringer shut down.”

    The cable does not say whether Nike paid.

Such corruption may be even worse in Vietnam, where nearly 40 percent of Nike’s wares are now manufactured. The Southeast Asian country of 91 million people—of whom some 90,000 are directly or indirectly employed by Nike—is even more critical to Nike’s business than China.

    Nike has faced so many problems protecting its property in Vietnam that, in June 2007, a cable shows, the company asked the U.S. Embassy to bring a case against Vietnam to the World Trade Organization.

    “Last year, law enforcement authorities investigated four cases of counterfeit Nike products, all of which were thrown out, even though Nike believes it had provided clear and convincing evidence of [intellectual property] violations…. Moreover, our contacts told of several instances of counterfeit goods being returned to the violating enterprise, even following administrative fines.”

    The stories of raids recounted in the cables suggests Vietnamese indifference to Nike’s losses was a result of high-level corruption.

    A September 2002 cable by the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City describes a raid Nike made on one counterfeit shoe operation. The haul: 23 truckloads of counterfeit shoe parts, enough material for 15,000 pairs of shoes, from a factory that had produced some 5,000 bogus pairs the previous year. Nike estimated the value of the illegal operation at $164,000—a fortune in a country where the average per capita income was $450 at the time.

    “In gathering the evidence for the raid, the police worked closely with Nike’s new in-house investigator, who spent one year gathering evidence from informants and old-fashioned detective work…. Ironically, Nike initiated the investigation after receiving a tip from a competing counterfeit producer....”

    The police helped, in this case, only with special incentive.

    “Nike praised the cooperation it received from the local police, even though Nike paid for the police overtime and materials (e.g., fuel) to mount the raid, trucks to haul away the material, and the storage costs at a warehouse….

    “Although police held approximately two dozen counterfeiters for several hours, no arrests were made since the case is not yet considered criminal…. Authorities are still considering whether to file criminal charges….”

    As an aside, the cable notes, “One of the counterfeiters [was] the nephew of the Communist Party chairman of a powerful neighboring province.”

this problem is SOOOO MUCH LARGER then da Jordan brand fake check subsection of niketalk..da quicker you understand that, da more credible you'll sound.
 
yes.. Are you really this dumb? A stolen Rolex is IDENTICAL in EVERY WAY to an AUTHENTIC Rolex making it stolen but legit! This is not the case in the GM world.. GM shoes are comparable to the new fake Rollies that actually look ALMOST the same until you crack it open. They roll, they sparkle, they are heavy but at the end of the day ITS JUST A GOOD KNOCK OFF.. This makes it NOT LEGIT.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. I just don't like when people say GMs are authentic but unauthorized. To each their own though, if you like to wear fake shoes (GM) then by all means go ahead.
 
 
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-18528-nikeleaks.html
[h1]NikeLeaks[/h1][h2]Thanks to Julian Assange, we now know how Oregon’s top company fights corruption, counterfeiting and Croatian smugglers.[/h2]
lede_nike.widea.jpg
Illustration by JooHee Yoon

           
Tags: nike, wikileaks

Packed aboard buses and flatbed trucks, the workers rolled through the wide boulevards of the central business district of Indonesia’s capital toward the tall towers of the Jakarta Stock Exchange.

    They came by the thousands from the factories, their anger focused on a single company. They carried placards: “Nike Where Is Your Commitment,” and “Nike Is A Blood-Sucking Vampire.”

    One protester simply drew a swoosh over the words “**** You.”

    It was July 2007. A dispute between Nike and one of its largest overseas suppliers threatened to cost the workers their jobs, and the anger boiled over into the streets. As the workers’ convoy snarled traffic around Nike’s high-rise offices, the executives inside feared for their safety. Surrounded, they realized they could not trust the Indonesian police to protect them.

    The Nike executives needed help. They called the U.S. Embassy.

With operations in 170 countries, and factories in 33, Phil Knight’s $21 billion baby has nearly as many outposts as the State Department has embassies and consulates. It’s no surprise that Nike’s overseas employees and the U.S. diplomatic corps often cross paths. What is surprising is just how often their interests converge.

    In November 2010, WikiLeaks published its first batch of classified U.S. diplomatic cables—documents allegedly downloaded from a Defense Department computer network and burned onto a blank CD labeled “Lady Gaga.” The initial WikiLeaks releases led to headlines about Asian arms deals, Iran war plans and Moammar Gadhafi’s “voluptuous blonde” nurse.

    The full volume of 251,000 cables, spanning a decade of diplomatic correspondence, was released this September. In these once-secret documents, patient readers can find endless detail on the day-to-day workings of the U.S. State Department.

    WW’s review found 184 cables, totaling more than 900 pages, that reference Nike. As the state’s only truly global company, Nike is mentioned more often in the cables than any other business in Oregon.

    The cables excerpted here, and presented in full here, reveal the scope and complexity of Nike’s operations.

    Beyond manufacturing, shipping and advertising—the surface of Nike’s business—this enormous enterprise has developed its own intelligence, customs and forensic services.

    The cables follow executives and diplomats through the counterfeit markets of Asia, where modern pirates make millions copying—or simply stealing—the famous swoosh.

    They show Nike investigators prowling European warehouses in the dead of night, on the hunt for contraband.

    They reveal how corrupt police and politicians try to shake down the company for bribes—and how, in some places, the company pads the budgets of foreign enforcement agencies in return for service.

    They show a company that is sometimes robbed by its own subcontractors, and pressured by workers’ demands. And a few cables contain real drama, such as the story of the evacuation of Nike executives from Jakarta following a deal gone bad.

    Sheena Blevins, a Nike spokeswoman, said in an email that the company is “not able to participate” in this article and “this is not a story we would comment on.”

    It’s understandable. The NikeLeaks reveal challenges that would spell the end of many ventures. But Nike overcomes enormous risks on a daily basis. These cables show how.



Global corporations lose $250 billion a year to knockoffs, according to a study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development—and that includes only physical goods, not software, movies or music. Nike suffers a good share of those losses.

    The WikiLeaks cables provide new detail into this lucrative illegal trade. One April 2006 cable quotes a Nike manager in China (a capital of counterfeiting) tallying the company’s intellectual property-protection campaign for the prior year: 351 seizures involving 500 factories, and bogus shoes worth $100 million.

    Another 2006 cable, from September, recounts an extended tour taken by U.S. trade representatives to three large and fast-growing port cities in the Southeast China coastal provinces of Fuzhou, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Intellectual property experts call this region “the heart of darkness.”

    After visits with provincial authorities and functionaries—most of whom “stuck to Beijing’s talking points” and recounted ineffectual anti-counterfeiting publicity campaigns—a group of American executives followed U.S. Embassy officials into the streets.

    In the markets, they found dealers stocking “blatantly” fake Nikes and other American brands, from Levi’s to Snoop Dogg clothing. The scale was far beyond any Asian street market familiar to Lonely Planet-toting tourists. Shoppers here don’t haggle over the price of a single fake Rolex—they buy “tens of thousands” at a time.

    “Some of the vendors were not interested in selling individual items, preferring instead to deal with large, wholesale orders.… In addition, foreign buyers—particularly Africans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians—work in Guangzhou as wholesale purchasers and shippers for enterprises in their home countries.”

    Often, fakes are fairly obvious, featuring poor stitching or misshapen swooshes, made in “small-scale, rural ‘workshop’ operations [that are] difficult to track.”

    But Nike maintains that its real problem isn’t these rogue mom-and-pop sweatshops. Much of the illicit fare in the markets is the genuine article, made by their own subcontractors.

    “Some of the clothing…appeared to be high-quality, genuine products being sold at low prices…. This is likely the result of ‘third-shift’ manufacturing, in which factories produce extras to sell on the side….”

    Swooshes and other genuine Nike materials are often obtained from “recyclers, scavengers or from Nike workers who smuggle shoe parts out of the factory in their clothes or literally fling them over the back fences.”

    Nike takes such cases to court but, for several reasons, the company can’t simply rely on the authorities to enforce its trademark.

    Bureaucratic dysfunction is one reason. Nike’s brand protection manager in China, Bill Wei, is quoted explaining how trademark cases in China must prove that counterfeiters have made a profit before authorities will act, and how “U.S. companies must sometimes ‘shop around’ for a qualified enforcement body that will investigate a case.”

The WikiLeaks cables also show that demands for graft follow Nike from port to police station.

    A March 2007 cable recounts another factory-row tour, this one led by Nike reps, in Putian City, the shoemaking center of Fujian Province. “Putian officials are notoriously corrupt,” the cable notes. Two years earlier, a police official there “allegedly asked the Nike reps for a RMB 100,000 payment”—that’s approximately $13,000—“for each infringer shut down.”

    The cable does not say whether Nike paid.

Such corruption may be even worse in Vietnam, where nearly 40 percent of Nike’s wares are now manufactured. The Southeast Asian country of 91 million people—of whom some 90,000 are directly or indirectly employed by Nike—is even more critical to Nike’s business than China.

    Nike has faced so many problems protecting its property in Vietnam that, in June 2007, a cable shows, the company asked the U.S. Embassy to bring a case against Vietnam to the World Trade Organization.

    “Last year, law enforcement authorities investigated four cases of counterfeit Nike products, all of which were thrown out, even though Nike believes it had provided clear and convincing evidence of [intellectual property] violations…. Moreover, our contacts told of several instances of counterfeit goods being returned to the violating enterprise, even following administrative fines.”

    The stories of raids recounted in the cables suggests Vietnamese indifference to Nike’s losses was a result of high-level corruption.

    A September 2002 cable by the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City describes a raid Nike made on one counterfeit shoe operation. The haul: 23 truckloads of counterfeit shoe parts, enough material for 15,000 pairs of shoes, from a factory that had produced some 5,000 bogus pairs the previous year. Nike estimated the value of the illegal operation at $164,000—a fortune in a country where the average per capita income was $450 at the time.

    “In gathering the evidence for the raid, the police worked closely with Nike’s new in-house investigator, who spent one year gathering evidence from informants and old-fashioned detective work…. Ironically, Nike initiated the investigation after receiving a tip from a competing counterfeit producer....”

    The police helped, in this case, only with special incentive.

    “Nike praised the cooperation it received from the local police, even though Nike paid for the police overtime and materials (e.g., fuel) to mount the raid, trucks to haul away the material, and the storage costs at a warehouse….

    “Although police held approximately two dozen counterfeiters for several hours, no arrests were made since the case is not yet considered criminal…. Authorities are still considering whether to file criminal charges….”

    As an aside, the cable notes, “One of the counterfeiters [was] the nephew of the Communist Party chairman of a powerful neighboring province.”

this problem is SOOOO MUCH LARGER then da Jordan brand fake check subsection of niketalk..da quicker you understand that, da more credible you'll sound.
Ahhh back to you GM guys holy grail of a sentence in a 900 page document... ITS SAYS CLOTHS and does not mention shoes in particular!!!!! NIKE MAKES $$$$$$ off of cloths and socks and everything else under the sun this MAJOR company produces bro.. Its much easier to silk screen a swoosh on a few hundred tee shirts than to make AAA replica kicks.. This is not evidence IMO. I mean how many times have you seen some dude or lady and kids in nike gear head to toe rocking adidas or some flip flops or another brand kicks? MILLIONS right? 

Also none of you guys ever seem to count how many times the word counterfeit is used over and over and over again in here.
 
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A timmy your going to be going back and forth with this ninja guy all day bro you cant teach an old dog new tricks
 
^^Uh shoes are a specific article of "Clothing", doesnt have to mention just shoes
 
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An authorized item can be stolen and maintain it's authenticity. Then it's just hot. An unauthorized product loses its authenticty in it's un authorized production. I think GM is the new catch phrase of counterfeiters to get the most of their sales. Now mind you, the counterfeiters have to offer a better product for the catch phrase to work. Keep im mind this all just my opinion I never been to China...
 
These were most likely purchased from Taoboa... unauthorized reproductions. Not authentic. Good job on canceling your bid! Nice gut feeling
 
 
yes.. Are you really this dumb? A stolen Rolex is IDENTICAL in EVERY WAY to an AUTHENTIC Rolex making it stolen but legit! This is not the case in the GM world.. GM shoes are comparable to the new fake Rollies that actually look ALMOST the same until you crack it open. They roll, they sparkle, they are heavy but at the end of the day ITS JUST A GOOD KNOCK OFF.. This makes it NOT LEGIT.
Couldn't have said it any better myself. I just don't like when people say GMs are authentic but unauthorized. To each their own though, if you like to wear fake shoes (GM) then by all means go ahead.
apples and oranges...rolex watches with aftermarket bezels and bracelets are no longer considered stock by rolex, or 100% genuine after da alterations, does that make em a fake

rolex, or discredit da fact that its still precious metal? no.
 
 
 
http://www.wweek.com/portland/article-18528-nikeleaks.html
[h1]NikeLeaks[/h1][h2]Thanks to Julian Assange, we now know how Oregon’s top company fights corruption, counterfeiting and Croatian smugglers.[/h2]
lede_nike.widea.jpg
Illustration by JooHee Yoon

           
Tags: nike, wikileaks

Packed aboard buses and flatbed trucks, the workers rolled through the wide boulevards of the central business district of Indonesia’s capital toward the tall towers of the Jakarta Stock Exchange.

    They came by the thousands from the factories, their anger focused on a single company. They carried placards: “Nike Where Is Your Commitment,” and “Nike Is A Blood-Sucking Vampire.”

    One protester simply drew a swoosh over the words “**** You.”

    It was July 2007. A dispute between Nike and one of its largest overseas suppliers threatened to cost the workers their jobs, and the anger boiled over into the streets. As the workers’ convoy snarled traffic around Nike’s high-rise offices, the executives inside feared for their safety. Surrounded, they realized they could not trust the Indonesian police to protect them.

    The Nike executives needed help. They called the U.S. Embassy.

With operations in 170 countries, and factories in 33, Phil Knight’s $21 billion baby has nearly as many outposts as the State Department has embassies and consulates. It’s no surprise that Nike’s overseas employees and the U.S. diplomatic corps often cross paths. What is surprising is just how often their interests converge.

    In November 2010, WikiLeaks published its first batch of classified U.S. diplomatic cables—documents allegedly downloaded from a Defense Department computer network and burned onto a blank CD labeled “Lady Gaga.” The initial WikiLeaks releases led to headlines about Asian arms deals, Iran war plans and Moammar Gadhafi’s “voluptuous blonde” nurse.

    The full volume of 251,000 cables, spanning a decade of diplomatic correspondence, was released this September. In these once-secret documents, patient readers can find endless detail on the day-to-day workings of the U.S. State Department.

    WW’s review found 184 cables, totaling more than 900 pages, that reference Nike. As the state’s only truly global company, Nike is mentioned more often in the cables than any other business in Oregon.

    The cables excerpted here, and presented in full here, reveal the scope and complexity of Nike’s operations.

    Beyond manufacturing, shipping and advertising—the surface of Nike’s business—this enormous enterprise has developed its own intelligence, customs and forensic services.

    The cables follow executives and diplomats through the counterfeit markets of Asia, where modern pirates make millions copying—or simply stealing—the famous swoosh.

    They show Nike investigators prowling European warehouses in the dead of night, on the hunt for contraband.

    They reveal how corrupt police and politicians try to shake down the company for bribes—and how, in some places, the company pads the budgets of foreign enforcement agencies in return for service.

    They show a company that is sometimes robbed by its own subcontractors, and pressured by workers’ demands. And a few cables contain real drama, such as the story of the evacuation of Nike executives from Jakarta following a deal gone bad.

    Sheena Blevins, a Nike spokeswoman, said in an email that the company is “not able to participate” in this article and “this is not a story we would comment on.”

    It’s understandable. The NikeLeaks reveal challenges that would spell the end of many ventures. But Nike overcomes enormous risks on a daily basis. These cables show how.



Global corporations lose $250 billion a year to knockoffs, according to a study by the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development—and that includes only physical goods, not software, movies or music. Nike suffers a good share of those losses.

    The WikiLeaks cables provide new detail into this lucrative illegal trade. One April 2006 cable quotes a Nike manager in China (a capital of counterfeiting) tallying the company’s intellectual property-protection campaign for the prior year: 351 seizures involving 500 factories, and bogus shoes worth $100 million.

    Another 2006 cable, from September, recounts an extended tour taken by U.S. trade representatives to three large and fast-growing port cities in the Southeast China coastal provinces of Fuzhou, Shenzhen and Guangzhou. Intellectual property experts call this region “the heart of darkness.”

    After visits with provincial authorities and functionaries—most of whom “stuck to Beijing’s talking points” and recounted ineffectual anti-counterfeiting publicity campaigns—a group of American executives followed U.S. Embassy officials into the streets.

    In the markets, they found dealers stocking “blatantly” fake Nikes and other American brands, from Levi’s to Snoop Dogg clothing. The scale was far beyond any Asian street market familiar to Lonely Planet-toting tourists. Shoppers here don’t haggle over the price of a single fake Rolex—they buy “tens of thousands” at a time.

    “Some of the vendors were not interested in selling individual items, preferring instead to deal with large, wholesale orders.… In addition, foreign buyers—particularly Africans, Middle Easterners, and South Asians—work in Guangzhou as wholesale purchasers and shippers for enterprises in their home countries.”

    Often, fakes are fairly obvious, featuring poor stitching or misshapen swooshes, made in “small-scale, rural ‘workshop’ operations [that are] difficult to track.”

    But Nike maintains that its real problem isn’t these rogue mom-and-pop sweatshops. Much of the illicit fare in the markets is the genuine article, made by their own subcontractors.

    “Some of the clothing…appeared to be high-quality, genuine products being sold at low prices…. This is likely the result of ‘third-shift’ manufacturing, in which factories produce extras to sell on the side….”

    Swooshes and other genuine Nike materials are often obtained from “recyclers, scavengers or from Nike workers who smuggle shoe parts out of the factory in their clothes or literally fling them over the back fences.”

    Nike takes such cases to court but, for several reasons, the company can’t simply rely on the authorities to enforce its trademark.

    Bureaucratic dysfunction is one reason. Nike’s brand protection manager in China, Bill Wei, is quoted explaining how trademark cases in China must prove that counterfeiters have made a profit before authorities will act, and how “U.S. companies must sometimes ‘shop around’ for a qualified enforcement body that will investigate a case.”

The WikiLeaks cables also show that demands for graft follow Nike from port to police station.

    A March 2007 cable recounts another factory-row tour, this one led by Nike reps, in Putian City, the shoemaking center of Fujian Province. “Putian officials are notoriously corrupt,” the cable notes. Two years earlier, a police official there “allegedly asked the Nike reps for a RMB 100,000 payment”—that’s approximately $13,000—“for each infringer shut down.”

    The cable does not say whether Nike paid.

Such corruption may be even worse in Vietnam, where nearly 40 percent of Nike’s wares are now manufactured. The Southeast Asian country of 91 million people—of whom some 90,000 are directly or indirectly employed by Nike—is even more critical to Nike’s business than China.

    Nike has faced so many problems protecting its property in Vietnam that, in June 2007, a cable shows, the company asked the U.S. Embassy to bring a case against Vietnam to the World Trade Organization.

    “Last year, law enforcement authorities investigated four cases of counterfeit Nike products, all of which were thrown out, even though Nike believes it had provided clear and convincing evidence of [intellectual property] violations…. Moreover, our contacts told of several instances of counterfeit goods being returned to the violating enterprise, even following administrative fines.”

    The stories of raids recounted in the cables suggests Vietnamese indifference to Nike’s losses was a result of high-level corruption.

    A September 2002 cable by the U.S. Consulate in Ho Chi Minh City describes a raid Nike made on one counterfeit shoe operation. The haul: 23 truckloads of counterfeit shoe parts, enough material for 15,000 pairs of shoes, from a factory that had produced some 5,000 bogus pairs the previous year. Nike estimated the value of the illegal operation at $164,000—a fortune in a country where the average per capita income was $450 at the time.

    “In gathering the evidence for the raid, the police worked closely with Nike’s new in-house investigator, who spent one year gathering evidence from informants and old-fashioned detective work…. Ironically, Nike initiated the investigation after receiving a tip from a competing counterfeit producer....”

    The police helped, in this case, only with special incentive.

    “Nike praised the cooperation it received from the local police, even though Nike paid for the police overtime and materials (e.g., fuel) to mount the raid, trucks to haul away the material, and the storage costs at a warehouse….

    “Although police held approximately two dozen counterfeiters for several hours, no arrests were made since the case is not yet considered criminal…. Authorities are still considering whether to file criminal charges….”

    As an aside, the cable notes, “One of the counterfeiters [was] the nephew of the Communist Party chairman of a powerful neighboring province.”

this problem is SOOOO MUCH LARGER then da Jordan brand fake check subsection of niketalk..da quicker you understand that, da more credible you'll sound.
Ahhh back to you GM guys holy grail of a sentence in a 900 page document... ITS SAYS CLOTHS and does not mention shoes in particular!!!!! NIKE MAKES $$$$$$ off of cloths and socks and everything else under the sun this MAJOR company produces bro.. Its much easier to silk screen a swoosh on a few hundred tee shirts than to make AAA replica kicks.. This is not evidence IMO. I mean how many times have you seen some dude or lady and kids in nike gear head to toe rocking adidas or some flip flops or another brand kicks? MILLIONS right? 

Also none of you guys ever seem to count how many times the word counterfeit is used over and over and over again in here.
you hard headed as ****, dont you realize that da wiki leaked document cables that come STRAIGHT FROM NIKE are refering to apparel AND SNEAKERS?

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you mean well, but dont make me actually post da actual corporate document and embarrass this whole grand standing of yours. da proof is in front of your eyes.

rockdeep, a veteran on NT, make threads explaining this YEARS AGO, bigLescobar, one of da principle people behind da current ewing brand went thru great detail explaining

what happened to da original ewing brand because of grey markets, these are people in da INDUSTRY, not part time enthusiasts who NEVER leave da brand check section of NT...

da more you talk, da more you expose your naivety in regards to da supply side of manufacturing... , da retail side is LITERALLY just da tip of da iceberg..
 
To the OP, them shoes fake man. 

Side Note, How can some say X shoes are GM?   As posters here we can only tell if they're fake or real, authentic or non-authentic.  Their is no way a poster here would know that the shoes pictured are truly GM as in made in the same factory, just by a third or ghost shift. 

To the GM lobbyists, tell me, how are you so sure they're GM (made in the same factory, sold through the back door)??  
 
To the OP, them shoes fake man. 

Side Note, How can some say X shoes are GM?   As posters here we can only tell if they're fake or real, authentic or non-authentic.  Their is no way a poster here would know that the shoes pictured are truly GM as in made in the same factory, just by a third or ghost shift. 

To the GM lobbyists, tell me, how are you so sure they're GM (made in the same factory, sold through the back door)??  

As far as I go this how my train of thought goes. When you look up anything about these third shift or midnight shift shoes many of them state and maintain , including Nike in the cable leaks, that these products and their production are a bigger problem them the rogue replica and variants and knockoffs. So one can infer that the new rush of sneakers that we've been seeing and calling GM shoes are the third shift shoes and other products that manufacturers are having such problems with. That's my train of thought atleast.
 
 
To the OP, them shoes fake man. 

Side Note, How can some say X shoes are GM?   As posters here we can only tell if they're fake or real, authentic or non-authentic.  Their is no way a poster here would know that the shoes pictured are truly GM as in made in the same factory, just by a third or ghost shift. 

To the GM lobbyists, tell me, how are you so sure they're GM (made in the same factory, sold through the back door)??  
As far as I go this how my train of thought goes. When you look up anything about these third shift or midnight shift shoes many of them state and maintain , including Nike in the cable leaks, that these products and their production are a bigger problem them the rogue replica and variants and knockoffs. So one can infer that the new rush of sneakers that we've been seeing and calling GM shoes are the third shift shoes and other products that manufacturers are having such problems with. That's my train of thought atleast.
its common sense...we all know what bootleg jordans look like, da pic of space jams OP got DO NOT look like a pair of bootlegs.

da only reason ya even know whats going on is because it took YEARS and YEARS of OG NTers literally over scrutinizing da saturation of brand new jordans years after they dropped,

as well as da proliferation of early releases as far back as 7-8 months in advance.

da facts have been posted over and over again.
 
i'll see if i can dig up what rockdeep/nikedealer said about his time with nike and their investigation. and then i'll post his personal message to me.
 
http://niketalk.com/t/321285/early-jordan-release-info-its-time-everyone-knows/120

posted by rockdeep aka nikedealer. This guy is known for being connected and plugged in. Do what you want with this info

I HAD to chuckle when I read the thread starters proclamation of Nike selling B Grades to websites.
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I made a LONG post I cant find to reference but it made reference to fakes, and "extra's" leaving from the factories of Nike.

1. There is a HUGE difference between fakes and illegally sold Nikes.

Fakes are made from Fabricated materials OUTSIDE of a Nike website.  There are several grades of Fakes.  People need to get out of the idea that MOLDS are stolen and they are made that way.  A mold is what Nike takes of feet to get an idea of an exact shoe size for their players.

People within Factories are getting ahold of Technical Packages called Tech Packs which are sent from Nike Product Line Managers/ Engineers to their counterpart in different factories.  These files are not encrypted (which is completely possible)

From there the same process used to create a REAL Nike shoe is replicated either in a make shift factory or even at factories AFTER HOURS.  How do I know all this?  From doing ALOT of research when I ran a site called FakePolice.com years ago and working with a few folks within Nike to get a gauge of how the process works and where the failures are in the process.

I proposed a procedure which could save Nike literally BILLIONS in Lost revenue but these things fell on deaf ears, as CWK will attest many folks within the walls hate being told from someone OUTSIDE of NIKE how to FIX something WITHING Nike.

Smaller steps were taken to prevent this as ebay has significantly cut down on the amount of fakes sold on their site due to suits Nike threatened to make.

Next. Many sites get their shoes from actual factory workers who have the access to literally lift a crap load of shoes out in its OFF HOURS.  To be clear.. and this is known by some but realized by many others, that fakes are not  a HUGE terrorist  support mechanism but it IS a huge part of the Asian Mafia. 

Fake Nation has their own set of Designers. Their own set of Product Line Engineers making sure the shoes they produce fit the tooling they make.  Hence the hideous and sometimes intriguing Hybrids and Mash ups you see.

They watch this and other Sneaker Websites to see what it is YOU clamor for that Nike is not producing and make it readily available.  Cole Haans.. Reeboks.. EVERY shoe is replicated.. just not as much as Nike.

Their are other grades of fakes that are done in basements from folks who just do what they can with what they have.

I mean has anyone ever asked the question: Is everyone in Asia BORN with the ability to produce sneakers?  I mean come on.  The same folks IN the legal factories and I say legal when OPEN for business are the same folks working after hours.  This isnt a skill you are born with and THIS and THIS alone is how you can see the difference in the quality of fakes.

For a time their were Jordan XI Concords which were produced in fake nation and still are which NEVER yellowed compared to the REAL Jordans which did. There was a time when Foamposite was made of a HARD sturdy yet malleable material which would eventually fit snug around your foot.  Then Fake nation started producing a softer HORRID version of the Lebron IV which had Foamposite material.

Soon you had Nike making the Foam Lites. Coincidence?
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 Listen. There are soooo many layers to this I could write a book.  But to think Nike would SELL their B Grades and NOT stamp them to unknown websites who will sell them early is the MOST absurd crap ever written.

For those asking about why Nike wont shut down certain websites, its because they dont put money into their IP (Intellectual Property) Lawyers . Reebok/Adidas and even New Balance put a large portion of money into keeping sites and factories from producing or selling fake items.  Dolce & Gabanna, Coach and other Industry outlets do the same.

This is something huge that Nike has shown minimal interest in stopping.  As I said before. if Nike isn't interested in doing more.. why should I care?  Instead they want to bust barbershop dudes trying to hustle to make ends meet?  Yeah its not right..... but just like busting drug dealers... they replace them with new runners.

When a site is taken down.. 5 more pop up.  When you sue or bust someone at the flee market or barbershop plenty more will arise selling product.  The means to stop it where it stops.. RIGHT in their building is the problem.

I mean I'll take it a step further... there were dudes selling REAL Nike Product to underground sellers on the PE Market... and all they did at first after a long time was move dude who was doing it to another section of Nike and the dude who let them know about it was fired. lololol.

Im still loyal to my boys who work there so when it comes to making your purchases... yes.. be cautious... but when it comes to Randy.. I guess alot of people forget Air - Randy aka Promo Shoes.. aka Kitty Pig used to all be the same person.....aka Dennis. 

Dennis has ALOT of connections in Asia.. ALOT.  He has the means to ALOT of resources as well.   I'll leave it at that cause Im not one to knock the next mans hustle either..but I'll say this.. at least the shoes he's selling has the EXACT same materials and workers that Nike has....... You do the math...

If Randy were smart...he'd open back up his site.. lower his prices and make a killing because buying early's cool.... but threads like that will make everyone leary of doing it now.

Gain that trust back and go from there.  I dont promote fakes... but I'll never hate on Marquee Sole, or other sites like it because they are hustling just like us here in the states...

But haters gon hate.  Just ask your boy Shaike
 
and this is the convo i had with awhile back. again do what you would like with this info

[h3]GREY MARKET SHOES : WHATS REAL AND WHATS FAKE?[/h3]Conversation between NikeDealer  and me



jdfrenchbread23
Jul 18, 2013 at 5:29 am

Nikedealer

I'm not sure if you've heard the recent buzz about unauthorized nike shoes aka grey market shoes, but its been getting a lot of attention. A lot of people are claiming that they are made out of the same materials in the same factories while others are claiming that they are just straight up higher quality replicas/fakes. I've seen some of your post from a couple years ago in regards to Air Randy and your work with nike. I was just wondering if you could shed some light on this situation in this thread http://niketalk.com/t/533947/grey-m...ure-rules-on-pg-1-please-read-before-you-post  or if you prefer in a message to me directly. A lot of misinformation is going around on both sides of the argument and it would be of great help to everyone if someone with actual inside knowledge and information weighed in on the situation. Ive personally quoted you tons of times in the thread but it seems like people just don't want to listen to facts, it might be better if the information came from you directly. It would help tremendously if you weighed in. Sorry for bothering you with this!



NikeDealer
Sep 6, 2013 at 11:21 am

Hey Sorry for just seeing this... its actually a topic thats cyclical on NT... some kids just dont want to believe its true and some dont care.

its a proven fact that people dont wake up nor grow up in Asia having the automatic skill set of making Nikes Reeboks or Adidas.

Its a learned trade and skill.  

Its also a fact that Tech Packs are taken from emails sent from Nike to the Contracted Factory and sold to different "entities" and then reproduced at either the same factories after hours or at makeshift factories.

Sweatshop situations are where folks go and resource like materials from Fujtian or another Chinese province. You cant make that stuff up..its real.

Those who choose not to believe it, just dont want to give credit to the fact that folks who claim grey pairs are fake.. Arent.

They are simply unauthorized and pairs not within the inventory Nike's or Jordans have allocated with total numbers.

Hope that helps.. but I gave up on trying to educate those who had no interest in being educated.

Some will believe almost anything my man.
 
 
 
You can't be authentic but unauthorized.
umm ever heard of stolen merchandise?
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stolen? ok sure but how is Jordan/Nike still making Space Jams almost 4 years later.. OK
nike doesn't make ANYTHING, they subcontract everything out...

this is why there are now black XVII's outta nowhere, and nike air 88 black cements.

they don't have a leash on da people who they contract to handle their production needs.
 
I have no doubt their are some GM pairs out there.  What I dont buy is how you or anyone else for that matter can just say a pair is GM without knowing if it truly is, no proof.  It's all just speculation.  
 
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I have no doubt their are some GM pairs out there.  What I dont buy is how you or anyone else for that matter can just say a pair is GM without knowing if it truly is, no proof.  It's all just speculation.  
thats the thing though. these new wave of "new old shoes" better fit the description of "third shift pairs then the  definition we have given to replicas and variant that are still around in abundance today.
 
 
 
I have no doubt their are some GM pairs out there.  What I dont buy is how you or anyone else for that matter can just say a pair is GM without knowing if it truly is, no proof.  It's all just speculation.  
thats the thing though. these new wave of "new old shoes" better fit the description of "third shift pairs then the  definition we have given to replicas and variant that are still around in abundance today.
exactly..no one here who knows what their talking about  is calling fakes grey markets, but people who dunno better are QUICK to label grey markets fake. da 2 terms are not

mutually exclusive.
 
 
exactly..no one here who knows what their talking about  is calling fakes grey markets, but people who dunno better are QUICK to label grey markets fake. da 2 terms are not

mutually exclusive.
We get it ninja there are fakes and there are better fakes.. LOL..JK

Just a question not an argument bc i would like to hear your thoughts.

Ok what about this.. If the rumor is true and Nike has cancelled the 88' B/C retro.. What does that make all of the 88' B/C retros on the street today? Would they be fake or GM? Nike never ordered RD ones for the 1st and 2nd shift to produce meaning this would be a CW that was technically never produced meaning they are fake by definition? I mean If a pair of hot pink 88's is fake whats the difference from a B/C that was never a produced CW either?
 
 
We get it ninja there are fakes and there are better fakes.. LOL..JK

Just a question not an argument bc i would like to hear your thoughts.

Ok what about this.. If the rumor is true and Nike has cancelled the 88' B/C retro.. What does that make all of the 88' B/C retros on the street today? Would they be fake or GM? Nike never ordered RD ones for the 1st and 2nd shift to produce meaning this would be a CW that was technically never produced meaning they are fake by definition? I mean If a pair of hot pink 88's is fake whats the difference from a B/C that was never a produced CW either?
Gr8 question I gotta hear his rebuttal
 
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